Alan
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- Ethnic group
- Kurdish
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1a1a1
- mtDNA haplogroup
- HV2a1 +G13708A
An update was made. Now we got another individual who came out as R1a1a*
1x E1b1b1c1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Turkey)
1x G2a (Alevi Kurmanji from Turkey)
2x J1 (Feyli, originally from Iran)
1x J1c3 (Sorani from Iran)
1x J2 (Kurmanji from Turkey)
1x J2a3a (J2a1a at 23andme; J2a4a at ISOGG 2009; he is M47+, M322+)(Yezidi from Iraq)
1x T (Sorani from Koysinjaq/Iraq)
1x R2a (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1b1a2* (Kurmanji from Zakho/Iraq)
1x R1b1b2a (Zaza from Turkey)
1x R1b1 (P25+)(Kurmanji from Maras/Elbistan/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Z93+, L342+, L657-)(Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1a1a (Z283+, subclade 3 only his paternal great-grandfather is Kurdish from Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Zaza from Dersim/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Dersim/Turkey)
1x I2a2a* (old I2b1*) (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x I1 (probably Kurmanji from Jordan)
in Percentages this makes
22% R1a1a*
17% R1b1*
5.5% R2a
11% J2*
11% J1*
5% J1c3*
5.5% I2a2*
5.5% I1*
5.5% G2a*
5.5% E1b1b*
5.5% T
some notes. The Kurd from Jordan was added by me from FTdna while I did not ad the other ones (I am talking about the two other J1 which are of non Kurdish origin as far as I know and feel connected to Kurds and sympathize with Kurdish government).
I suppose that the two Feyli Kurds which belong to Haplogroup J1 are related because they speak the same dialect and both of them come from the same area in Kermanshah. So we could technically count them both as "one person".
Now lets take out one of the Feyli examples. than we got.
23.5% R1a1a*
18% R1b1*
6% R2a
12% J2*
6% J1*
6% J1c3*
6% I2a2*
6% I1*
6% G2a*
6% E1b1b*
6% T
and now lets take out the I1, which I have added from FTdna, too.
25% R1a1a*
19% R1b1
6% R2a
12.5% J2*
6% J1*
6% J1c3*
6% I2a2*
6% G2a
6% E1b1b*
6% T
Well in my opinion something between these three tables comes close to reality. Just that Haplogroup J1 is too frequent in the first table and in the second it is R1b which is a bit too frequent and I is a bit too low.
So I think this percentages are most realistic when it comes to Kurds overall.
20% R1a1a*
17% R1b1*
5% R2a
13% J2*
11% J1*
13% I*
7% G2a*
7% E1b1b*
5% T
R1b1a2* (R1b1b2 based on 23andme; Kurmanji from Zakho):
Although this individual did not get a more detailed analysis of his Y chromosome, we can say the following:
His haplogroup is old, older than the European subclades of R1b. His subclade is very rare and it is the root for the European R1b.
Note: The nomenclature is sometimes confusing, the most reliable source is ISOGG. 23andme tends to use the older nomenclature (in this case R1b1b2).
However though the sample size is very low, it is surprising how close this percentages are to that here on Eupedia.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.de/
1x E1b1b1c1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Turkey)
1x G2a (Alevi Kurmanji from Turkey)
2x J1 (Feyli, originally from Iran)
1x J1c3 (Sorani from Iran)
1x J2 (Kurmanji from Turkey)
1x J2a3a (J2a1a at 23andme; J2a4a at ISOGG 2009; he is M47+, M322+)(Yezidi from Iraq)
1x T (Sorani from Koysinjaq/Iraq)
1x R2a (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1b1a2* (Kurmanji from Zakho/Iraq)
1x R1b1b2a (Zaza from Turkey)
1x R1b1 (P25+)(Kurmanji from Maras/Elbistan/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Z93+, L342+, L657-)(Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1a1a (Z283+, subclade 3 only his paternal great-grandfather is Kurdish from Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Zaza from Dersim/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Dersim/Turkey)
1x I2a2a* (old I2b1*) (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x I1 (probably Kurmanji from Jordan)
in Percentages this makes
22% R1a1a*
17% R1b1*
5.5% R2a
11% J2*
11% J1*
5% J1c3*
5.5% I2a2*
5.5% I1*
5.5% G2a*
5.5% E1b1b*
5.5% T
some notes. The Kurd from Jordan was added by me from FTdna while I did not ad the other ones (I am talking about the two other J1 which are of non Kurdish origin as far as I know and feel connected to Kurds and sympathize with Kurdish government).
I suppose that the two Feyli Kurds which belong to Haplogroup J1 are related because they speak the same dialect and both of them come from the same area in Kermanshah. So we could technically count them both as "one person".
Now lets take out one of the Feyli examples. than we got.
23.5% R1a1a*
18% R1b1*
6% R2a
12% J2*
6% J1*
6% J1c3*
6% I2a2*
6% I1*
6% G2a*
6% E1b1b*
6% T
and now lets take out the I1, which I have added from FTdna, too.
25% R1a1a*
19% R1b1
6% R2a
12.5% J2*
6% J1*
6% J1c3*
6% I2a2*
6% G2a
6% E1b1b*
6% T
Well in my opinion something between these three tables comes close to reality. Just that Haplogroup J1 is too frequent in the first table and in the second it is R1b which is a bit too frequent and I is a bit too low.
So I think this percentages are most realistic when it comes to Kurds overall.
20% R1a1a*
17% R1b1*
5% R2a
13% J2*
11% J1*
13% I*
7% G2a*
7% E1b1b*
5% T
R1b1a2* (R1b1b2 based on 23andme; Kurmanji from Zakho):
Although this individual did not get a more detailed analysis of his Y chromosome, we can say the following:
His haplogroup is old, older than the European subclades of R1b. His subclade is very rare and it is the root for the European R1b.
Note: The nomenclature is sometimes confusing, the most reliable source is ISOGG. 23andme tends to use the older nomenclature (in this case R1b1b2).
However though the sample size is very low, it is surprising how close this percentages are to that here on Eupedia.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.de/
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