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Salento
15-02-21, 01:31
... more Szolad “Ancient Relatives” (deep dive):

https://i.imgur.com/GcLnt6n.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2PvL1Jo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nOCATpY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2omdcU6.jpg

Salento
15-02-21, 01:53
I think I saw from the beginning that it is another scam when they gave matches of tens and hundreds... of cM after thousands of years. I would not be surprised if, after the IPs of the applicants, identifying their location, it would be even easier for them to tell beautiful stories.

If that’s the case, I should have come out a Mohegan or a Pequot :)

... about the cM, it all depends on how low the cM value is set up in the program when the site runs it.

Salento
15-02-21, 02:13
I do not know. What is that?
Native American Tribes, ... I’m in their Ancestral Land, and that’s where my IP address is from.

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 03:30
@PT
I’m sure they are as our results are not that different.
But, I don’t know what you ran to get those results :)

Salento: I ran K13 ancient with just the samples from Amorim et al 2018 only, no other ancient samples, against my K13 coordinates on vahadou genetics website. I think yours and mine will be very, very, similar to each other.

Cheers, PT:good_job:

Salento
15-02-21, 03:40
rEALY? LOL... If this is the case, it is CONFIRMED that they are wrong again.

They're not very wrong, though they could upgrade their calculator,
... the site is Entertaining and it's upgraded often.

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 03:44
Salento: Here is the same thing I did using K13 for Dodecad 12b. Once again only the Szolad and Collegno samples from Amorim et al 2018 and running the Dodecad ancient coordinates for those samples against my own Dodecad K12 coordinates. Single Distance results and and Model using 0.25X. So Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12 are in my view corroborating each other suggesting to me the results from MyTrueAncestry are accurate. And for the record, my IP address is in the USA, there is no way in Hell (that is not for you Salento) that Mytrueancestry would know that 100% of my recent ancestry comes from Sicily.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


4.40341913
Szolad40


5.08341421
Collegno121


9.08190509
Collegno25


9.27144541
Collegno110


9.64398258
Szolad19


10.29666451
Szolad36


11.38594748
Szolad31


11.71591652
Collegno38


11.85023628
Collegno30


12.16258607
Szolad37


12.80481941
Collegno36


13.67620927
Szolad43


16.60320451
Szolad1


16.70511000
Collegno23


18.67918628
Szolad35


19.22978939
Szolad28


19.88351076
Collegno31


23.56975817
Collegno49


25.45264230
Szolad27


25.60952362
Collegno94


26.41980129
Collegno57


26.91039576
Szolad20


26.98760827
Szolad45


27.09977306
Collegno47


28.16766764
Szolad18


29.02852563
Collegno102


29.44806445
Collegno53


29.91551604
Collegno63


30.60177609
Szolad6


31.04979227
Szolad5


34.94532158
Szolad8


35.86667673
Szolad3


35.87263999
Collegno97


37.46843605
Szolad23


38.26121666
Szolad14


38.92431759
Szolad38


39.97691709
Szolad42


40.22599533
Szolad30


40.64354684
Szolad24


40.69214420
Collegno87


40.92286891
Szolad25


41.05896613
Szolad12


41.57516206
Szolad11


42.48501265
Szolad15


43.39091149
Szolad7


43.80245427
Collegno83


44.53613140
Szolad22


44.82164879
Szolad13


44.89476473
Collegno84


46.30290164
Collegno92


46.72682634
Szolad4


46.92842848
Collegno145


47.29921987
Collegno93


47.55465803
Collegno146


48.35687025
Szolad41


48.83019250
Collegno151


49.84861583
Szolad9


49.95679333
Szolad16


51.33042957
Szolad2








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.9385% / 0.93852437 | ADC: 0.25x RC




57.0
Collegno121





16.2
Szolad19





13.4
Szolad35





13.0
Collegno30





0.4
Szolad37

Salento
15-02-21, 05:05
SZ/CL - EU_K13 ... from top SZ40 to SZ19
... they’re not close,
... gradient 0/100

https://i.imgur.com/OZWYcWv.jpg

I don’t think they’re Mohegans ~_^

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 05:57
Salento: I think that is 5.71, which is not bad. Those are your top 12, I think mine ranged from 2.9 to 16 on Eurogenes and 4.4 to 13.6 on Dodecad. I don't know how I am that close to SZ40, it is 4.4 in Dodecad. I think you have more Deep Dive matches with these samples than I do on My True Ancestry, I think you get 5, I have 3, so I think our results are in fact similar. Here are my My True Ancestry Deep Dives for CL36, CL38 and SZ32
https://i.imgur.com/5WNA7ou.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zNoe8Q3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WPoeYLW.jpg

So I agree they aint Mohegans :) !!

Salento
15-02-21, 06:37
Collegno “Ancient Relatives” - deep dive:
(... Szolad above, Posts 3502 and3504)

https://i.imgur.com/Ej5yW0Y.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dTGrIe6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Uoh6zR7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1j71jx5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2lgBWT8.jpg

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 07:06
Salento:

We both match up with CL30 and CL36. That is really neat!

Salento
15-02-21, 07:18
Salento:

We both match up with CL30 and CL36. That is really neat!
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)

Duarte
15-02-21, 17:32
CL and SZ, EU K13 and Deep Dive MTA

https://i.imgur.com/XeEJM6N.png
https://i.imgur.com/dgbAd83.png
https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
https://i.imgur.com/1qGQ6ni.png
https://i.imgur.com/OwqDZdA.png
https://i.imgur.com/yaPogfU.png



Distance to:
Duarte


8.92209617
CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp


13.35065167
SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


13.63018709
CL23_longobard_north_italy


14.78544216
CL57_longobard_north_italy


15.01464618
SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp


15.23822496
CL47_longobard_north_italy


15.48007106
CL36_longobard_north_italy


16.87518592
CL49_longobard_north_italy


17.11359986
SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


17.95805390
SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp


18.44588572
CL102_longobard_north_italy


18.61883455
SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


19.39258106
SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp


19.39273833
SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


19.61006119
SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


19.61064252
SZ3_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


20.20421738
CL53_longobard_north_italy


20.50905897
CL63_longobard_north_italy


21.06199183
SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century


22.14608092
SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp


22.38920275
SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary


22.73218643
SZ23_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


22.88419105
SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp


22.97635524
SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


23.90454768
SZ8_Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6_1442_ ybp


24.00562018
CL87_longobard_north_italy


24.08634883
CL121_longobard_north_italy


24.44973006
SZ24_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


24.83170755
SZ38_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


26.81546009
SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


28.08508679
SZ42_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


28.37695896
SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


28.80630313
SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


29.04384444
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


29.52697411
CL83_longobard_north_italy


30.23473665
SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


30.48051017
CL84_longobard_north_italy


30.71368099
SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


31.05534254
SZ25_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


31.21394240
SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


31.44890936
CL31_longobard_north_italy


31.78984901
SZ22_Longobard_


32.09671790
CL92_longobard_north_italy


32.81404882
CL146_Longobard_


33.00942744
SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


33.13326727
CL93_longobard_north_italy


33.35873649
SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


33.73262960
SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


34.23587446
SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother .SZ22_1469_ybp


34.75213087
SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


35.27935232
CL145_longobard_north_italy


36.28436716
CL38_longobard_north_italy


36.52376487
CL151_longobard_north_italy


37.91142704
CL30_longobard_north_italy


38.58185325
SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


39.08268287
CL25_longobard_north_italy

Duarte
15-02-21, 17:57
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)

Hi Salento:

The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:

https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png

torzio
15-02-21, 18:08
Hi Salento:

The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:

https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png


he is actually

Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period



CL23 ( 1310 -1380 yBP )
Phase: I
Y-DNA: T1a2b1a1-CTS6071 (x Y21207, CTS7303)


.................................................. .......

.
(https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)
SZ36 is the other branch of T ..........T1a1 branch

Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period

SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2-PF7275 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y15711/)
mtDNA: U4c2a

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 18:43
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)

Man it was late when I was posting, yep good ole pasta and pizza lover SZ32! I will throw in some cannoli and arancini. So in fact, you match up with 9 of those samples. That is really interesting. So I think Amorim et al 2018 while not capturing exactly in Italy where these samples that you and I (and others) share Deep Dive matches, I think they are capturing Italian genetic affinity. But 9 of those samples that you get Deep Dive matches, really cool.:good_job:

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 19:02
Duarte: Regards to your post #3517, I think that is kind of consistent with what we have seen with lots of these recent papers. There is genetic affinity with folks from Iberia and Southern France with NW Italy, which is where the Collegno site was. As you and Salento I am sure recall and know without me having to tell you, the Antonio et al 2019 paper documented 8 of those Iron Age Roman samples clustered with Northern Italians to Southern France to Spain, etc. You have 6 Deep dives, 4 of them from the Collegno site. Interesting results!

Duarte
15-02-21, 19:59
Duarte: Regards to your post #3517, I think that is kind of consistent with what we have seen with lots of these recent papers. There is genetic affinity with folks from Iberia and Southern France with NW Italy, which is where the Collegno site was. As you and Salento I am sure recall and know without me having to tell you, the Antonio et al 2019 paper documented 8 of those Iron Age Roman samples clustered with Northern Italians to Southern France to Spain, etc. You have 6 Deep dives, 4 of them from the Collegno site. Interesting results!

Hi PTrapani,
Thank you and cheers :good_job:

Salento
15-02-21, 22:27
Hi Salento:

The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:

https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)

@PT ... leave the Arancini, take the Cannoli :)

Duarte
15-02-21, 22:40
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)

:good_job::smile:

Thank you by Portuguese :smile:

Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 22:55
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)

@PT ... leave the Arancini, take the Cannoli :)

HA!, your reference is definitely one of the great lines in American Cinema.

Salento
18-02-21, 21:07
Chroma 20 Analysis

20a :
https://i.imgur.com/P65H62v.jpg

20b :
https://i.imgur.com/d6fi0lW.jpg

20c :
https://i.imgur.com/Bz0soso.jpg

Salento
18-02-21, 21:13
23v4

Chome 20a :
https://i.imgur.com/5LSnQLx.jpg

20b :
https://i.imgur.com/Q87dv9t.jpg

Salento
19-02-21, 05:43
Chrome 8
https://i.imgur.com/gbjziEn.jpg

Salento
19-02-21, 05:52
... another chrome 8 (23v4)

:thinking:... though it could have happened even in Texas,
Otzi and Skeleton-Lake ended up on the frozen mountains of two different continents.

https://i.imgur.com/Jc6JwEQ.jpg

Carlos
20-02-21, 17:35
New Deep Dive and to think that only a couple of years ago I was criticizing the perfect and incredible orthodontics of the Vikings in the movies and TV shows.

I have 3 Deep dives and tons of Viking matches, not bad, it was such a monopolized theme that I really didn't expect it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hdcXVVl0nNo/YDEij7c-CAI/AAAAAAAAF2g/ZSk6mFN0u5cEBnoW9Os5fWdw2n5tTfM1QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1310/VikingAgeBogovejGravDenmark950ADVK286.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kBS5fnZvGCs/X81yZPrZJsI/AAAAAAAAFIY/qpeFuul7JuspusMN6zl9JpBP5xPf2zQyQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/VikingSt.BriceMassacreOxfordVK146.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iueNsecR06c/X8V9ZWH87kI/AAAAAAAAE6Q/dwrF2Y0SzOIXQGNy6PonRuWHU8CPaliLQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1320/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG

Some of the new matches:

650. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper
1085 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.33 - SK8

1. Welsh (16.56)
2. West_German (18.45)
3. Flemish (18.95)
4. Southwest_English (19.16)
5. French (19.57)
6. South_Dutch (19.84)
7. Southeast_English (20.49)
8. North_Dutch (20.50)

649. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - MX270

1. Orcadian (12.13)
2. Irish (12.67)
3. West_Scottish (12.85)
4. Southwest_English (12.87)
5. Southeast_English (12.98)
6. Welsh (14.78)
7. North_Dutch (15.06)
8. Danish (16.17)

648. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - I4054

1. North_Italian (17.21)
2. Tuscan (18.38)
3. Portuguese (18.90)
4. Spanish_Galicia (19.27)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (19.49)
6. Spanish_Murcia (19.87)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (21.51)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (21.59)

647. Halstatt
775 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - DA112

1. East_German (8.761)
2. German_Central (8.868)
3. Hungarian (11.56)
4. Welsh (13.14)
5. Flemish (13.57)
6. West_German (13.74)
7. South_Dutch (13.86)
8. Southwest_Finnish (14.09)

646. Greco-Era Emporion
450 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - I8344

1. Spanish_Basque (19.30)
2. French_Basque (22.28)
3. Southeast_English (23.88)
4. Southwest_English (23.91)
5. Irish (24.20)
6. West_Scottish (24.35)
7. Orcadian (24.68)
8. Spanish_Aragon (26.17)

645. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.31 - Gordinesti

1. North_Italian (16.84)
2. Sardinian (17.86)
3. Tuscan (18.20)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (19.93)
5. Portuguese (20.65)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (20.79)
7. Spanish_Murcia (20.93)
8. Spanish_Valencia (21.56)

644. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.31 - I4253

1. West_Scottish (8.173)
2. Irish (8.613)
3. Southeast_English (8.854)
4. Orcadian (9.014)
5. Danish (9.561)
6. Southwest_English (10.18)
7. North_German (10.61)
8. North_Dutch (10.63)

643. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - I20747

1. French_Basque (21.61)
2. Southwest_French (22.92)
3. Spanish_Aragon (24.24)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (24.41)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.67)
6. Spanish_Basque (25.11)
7. Spanish_Valencia (25.26)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (26.09)

642. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - VK535

1. Tuscan (7.808)
2. West_Sicilian (9.792)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (11.39)
4. Albanian_Tosk (12.30)
5. East_Sicilian (12.31)
6. North_Italian (12.43)
7. South_Italian (12.48)
8. Central_Greek (12.69)

641. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.26 - PCA103_Mas16


1. Austrian (18.12)
2. East_German (18.87)
3. Czech (19.54)
4. Croatian (21.38)
5. South_Dutch (21.39)
6. North_German (21.76)
7. Polish (21.90)
8. Southwest_French (21.94)

640. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.25 - VK31

1. Irish (17.28)
2. Southeast_English (18.02)
3. West_Scottish (18.02)
4. Southwest_English (18.68)
5. Orcadian (19.65)
6. North_Dutch (21.07)
7. Danish (21.16)
8. North_German (21.32)

639. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.21 - STR241

1. Irish (8.064)
2. West_Scottish (8.719)
3. Southeast_English (9.057)
4. Southwest_English (9.307)
5. Orcadian (9.701)
6. North_Dutch (9.919)
7. Welsh (10.61)
8. Danish (11.08)

638. Plague Victim Pestbacken Blekinge Sweden
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - PC6-PEB10

1. Danish (11.94)
2. South_Dutch (12.08)
3. Flemish (12.16)
4. North_German (12.30)
5. Southwest_English (13.05)
6. Southeast_English (13.09)
7. Welsh (13.30)
8. North_Swedish (13.31)

637. Glavanesti Bronze Age Romania
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - I11913

1. Norwegian (6.036)
2. Welsh (6.069)
3. North_Dutch (6.129)
4. Swedish (6.828)
5. Danish (7.140)
6. North_German (7.593)
7. Southwest_English (7.768)
8. German_Central (7.793)

torzio
20-02-21, 18:17
my 2nd cousin John ( Zane ) his paternal side is ydna of I1

his results



20. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.864 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users


75. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 14.33 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



I3499 is
I3499, Vucedol, 2884-2666 calBCEI3499
mtDNA: T2e
Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2

..........................

all 98 or 99% of his BC results for his I1 ydna marker


24. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.47 - I4331
Top 98 % match vs all users

26. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - MOK17
Top 99 % match vs all users



32. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.49 - MOK26
Top 98 % match vs all users



34. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.55 - I4332
Top 98 % match vs all users



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.445 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



10. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.625 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users


11. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.921 - scy197b
Top 99 % match vs all users


13. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.109 - scy192
Top 99 % match vs all users



56. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.28 - scy300
Top 98 % match vs all users



.................................................

Your closest genetic modern populations...


Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
1. North_Italian (2.972)
2. Tuscan (7.220)
3. Spanish_Murcia (11.28)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.31)
5. Portuguese (11.39)
6. Kosovar (11.62)
7. Albanian_Tosk (11.79)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (11.98)

Salento
21-02-21, 08:09
some VK Foggia Chrome Relatives

... older 1150 AD VK534 and VK537 share SNPs with each other, ...younger 1240 AD VK535 does not.

:thinking: AncestryDNA updated the Maps, but ... no Salento for me, ... not cool, ... though MyHeritage does :)

https://i.imgur.com/oREj3rn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/unCU954.jpg


AncestryDNA map above ...
MyHeritage below:

... you complete me :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/4nZvr7o.jpg

Carlos
21-02-21, 18:27
A few in a row, I don't know if it has anything to do with them being run in that position but just in case there they go, you never know where the hare can jump and you have to be prepared.


475. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.57 - COL153A

Visigoth + Ostrogoth (9.657)
Visigoth + Frank (10.44)
Gaul + Ostrogoth (10.87)
Ostrogoth + Frank (10.87)
Visigoth (10.97)
Visigoth + Gaul (11.01)
Gaul (12.48)
Frank (12.48)
Ostrogoth (14.81)
Thuringii (16.3)

476. Grotte du Rouquet Moujan France
3080 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.59 - ROUQV

Lusitanian + Latin (10.02)
Lusitanian + Etruscan (10.22)
Latin (10.37)
Ligurian + Latin (10.91)
Ligurian (12.34)
Lusitanian + Gallo-Roman (12.41)
Latin + Etruscan (12.43)
Etruscan (16.58)
Gallo-Roman (17.06)
Lusitanian (18.7)

477. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932

Ligurian + Carthaginian (16.05)
Latin + Carthaginian (16.95)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (16.99)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (19.67)

478. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

Roman (Genetic match)

479. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

Latin (9.694)
Latin + Etruscan (12.04)
Ligurian + Latin (12.95)
Iberian + Latin (12.95)
Gallo-Roman + Latin (13.38)
Ligurian + Etruscan (14.83)
Etruscan (15.52)
Ligurian (17.33)
Iberian (17.57)
Gallo-Roman (18.01)

Carlos
22-02-21, 00:43
Carlos' father's kit (Grey point) vs Carlos' Kit (White point)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDiqhjqPts8/YDLhI5v-l4I/AAAAAAAAF3w/2IMHbbMatrwsXlmr8krLvODxWtO0J19zQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Pap%25C3%25A1KitandMyKit.jpeg

Salento
22-02-21, 06:08
Carlos' father's kit (Grey point) vs Carlos' Kit (White point)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDiqhjqPts8/YDLhI5v-l4I/AAAAAAAAF3w/2IMHbbMatrwsXlmr8krLvODxWtO0J19zQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Pap%25C3%25A1KitandMyKit.jpeg
The white points aren’t just yours, they're your mother's too, I think :)

Carlos
22-02-21, 08:05
The white points aren’t just yours, they're your mother's too, I think :)

Yes, I understood it that way too. It seems that the two had been seeing each other on a few occasions for some time.

Carlos
23-02-21, 06:26
Some of my father's MTA results. Now I have so many open flanks with this topic....

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5F7LAM41-lI/YDRyfR_hZvI/AAAAAAAAF4U/39StzoUmnTQYSO5H9Sk2-AcP7Ojx4r7zgCLcBGAsYHQ/s691/ClosestAncientPopulations.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E81869TAHdY/YDSDfhKh3AI/AAAAAAAAF6g/_IoErFIr7FM4frcmgGd2G3dkPCVEtHmgwCLcBGAsYHQ/s807/ModernPopulations.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ho9EsjM2OQI/YDRz2lCR5PI/AAAAAAAAF4c/o-S41poxvqEaiXemSC4yeiMgq0Nw3uOWQCLcBGAsYHQ/s563/AncientDeepDive.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VnkjPn0yVRw/YDRz_xewGpI/AAAAAAAAF4g/x2qH9QhtLHwF_vcFtU00T9SIfpg5cbU9ACLcBGAsYHQ/s546/DeepDiveBreakDown.jpeg

In the Iron Age it is complete Etruscan

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qAzzwtljaiA/YDSCldJNFYI/AAAAAAAAF6U/LszKeS2d24cwHg6IoWBJcRGMwvdXr4-JgCLcBGAsYHQ/s557/AncientSampleBreakdown.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dRIG2BCsXYQ/YDSClcvg1oI/AAAAAAAAF6Q/Z5mNU1VpZ8M31WWTMST_pBdzauk5BoEVACLcBGAsYHQ/s527/AncientSampleBreakdown2.jpeg

Carlos
24-02-21, 01:27
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DiVWRXCbGh8/YDR_DUdjW6I/AAAAAAAAF4s/nAMIzQ2H8FQHImF1WeOq8T5MjUqEVTmPwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1309/CopperAgeAlburgLerchenhaidStraubingBavaria2225bcI2 590.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bgERdLZDog8/YDR_DYoAg5I/AAAAAAAAF40/2vuE7UvB2nooxktyUHq0IGCKSLAk-g2vgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1308/EarlyBronzeAgeMokrinNecropolisSerbia1950bcMK15.JPE G
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7wzW_KZJ1NU/YDR_ENUrZfI/AAAAAAAAF44/V_bYxFWKBWEzjM4YG_HLL_HUGksFrnNpACLcBGAsYHQ/s1309/EarlyBronzeAgeMokrinNecropolisSerbia1950bcMK29.JPE G
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cqe5z0Djnis/YDR_Fnoc_UI/AAAAAAAAF48/pcnH7ofZzN0ZzQGvxz58O2kjhobd07QRACLcBGAsYHQ/s1310/EtruscanCivitavecchia650BcR473.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w92E0g7TEPI/YDR_GVjK4VI/AAAAAAAAF5A/oA-dvbPoz8grHI1JRHT5qE9YG-JOa8bcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1311/EtruscanCivitavecchia650BcR474.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rY6P82x5heY/YDR_HUX_XvI/AAAAAAAAF5E/h6HR_diP3tgVdcOyrlIIN809eDt481u9ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1311/GalloRoman590adSZ28.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-puxgKlbjsOE/YDR_ISHDgwI/AAAAAAAAF5I/MhA4oX7uxXYUVSAaAcXq1MlzxBVKLwfsQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1308/GalloRomanLombardGrave580CL94.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FlUy-zR0NMg/YDR_KpBuOmI/AAAAAAAAF5Q/Cuw-TeY6KnMKvTDdxYrEsMZnHg8oXrhZACLcBGAsYHQ/s1312/IllyrianDalmatian1600bcI4332.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Iptk48g0ghs/YDR_Ldtm15I/AAAAAAAAF5U/Ri0O5mMjgEgGA2ovh536ykFKhj5uHytOQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1311/IllyrianDalmatian1600bcR108.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z94p6lKch1c/YDR_MKIygTI/AAAAAAAAF5Y/RFHH66BVVsgrrd6sLgqqKHWMZuoEBGUowCLcBGAsYHQ/s1308/ImperialRomeMausoleoAugusto500adR33.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ckd1fW460Kk/YDR_NqyC7VI/AAAAAAAAF5c/YqAPfj0-sd8hoKvAtRzLS9DytLgEgCdKgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1314/LateMedievalCancilleriaBasilica1429adR1287.JPEG
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rw-Uj1CQW00/YDR_RdgUxDI/AAAAAAAAF5w/7bZ_FOnan1cBtpQH0bzcy2MHQFEeGhVkACLcBGAsYHQ/s1311/MedievalVillaMagnaItalyR63.JPEG
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Carlos
24-02-21, 01:30
They are my father's Deep Dives, I don't edit because it gets lost and you have to start over. I've already seen the ones I have and some I don't have, I'll see it now. How do you see it, who is it about?

Carlos
24-02-21, 16:06
Your Outlier Samples... (Father)

289. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.57 - I8146

Phoenician (6.021)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (8.113)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.53)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (10.55)
Etruscan + Phoenician (11.41)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (11.46)
Carthaginian (13.87)
Roman Hispania (16.78)
Etruscan (17.99)

291. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.64 - SNN001

Phoenician + Balari (13.79)
Etruscan + Iolaes (13.91)
Etruscan + Balari (14.08)
Phoenician + Iolaes (14.16)
Carthaginian + Balari (14.68)
Balari (17.71)

331. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - I5470

Iberian + Aquitani (11.48)
Iberian + Vascones (11.69)
Celt + Iberian (12.9)
Iberian + Celtiberian (13.57)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (16.41)

350. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.97 - MX299

Iberian + Aquitani (13.83)
Iberian + Etruscan (15.11)
Iberian (15.27)
Iberian + Vascones (15.73)
Iberian + Rhaeti (15.79)
Aquitani (16.64)
Vascones + Aquitani (18.13)

363. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - OTTM_142

Celt + Belgae (11.6)
Belgae (12.18)
Belgae + Saxon (13.86)
Belgae + Frank (14.3)
Visigoth + Belgae (15.02)
Celt (15.11)
Visigoth + Celt (16.02)
Frank (19.77)

370. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.52 - I2464

Belgae + Early Slav (5.201)
Celt + Early Slav (6.644)
Ostrogoth + Early Slav (7.579)
Boii + Early Slav (10.26)
Belgae + Boii (11.2)
Belgae (14.93)
Boii (15.15)
Ostrogoth (18.26)
Early Slav (18.84)

374. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.61 - R59

Roman (5.559)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.395)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.617)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.059)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (7.247)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (7.511)
Roman Hispania (12.28)
Ancient Greek (12.38)
Thracian (14.96)
Gallo-Roman (15.91)

376. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - RG161c

Viking Icelandic + Celtiberian (8.763)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.764)
Belgae + Celtiberian (9.656)
Viking Icelandic + Vascones (10.92)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (11.44)
Belgae (13.85)
Celtiberian (14.69)
Celt (15.66)
Vascones (15.7)
Viking Icelandic (15.71)

383. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I20747

Belgae + Iberian (19.98)
Belgae (21.88)
Belgae + Aquitani (22.22)
Belgae + Vascones (22.81)
Belgae + Gallo-Roman (23.08)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (23.79)
Aquitani (25.79)
Iberian (25.9)
Vascones (26.11)
Gallo-Roman (27.4)


389. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.87 - VIL006

Carthaginian (Genetic match)

392. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - SI-53

Crusader (Genetic match)

393. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - Ballynahatty

Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)
Latin + Balari (9.871)
Phoenician (12.18)
Etruscan (14.52)
Balari (15.89)
Carthaginian (16.6)
Latin (19.05)

405. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.05 - MX219

Iberian + Etruscan (11.28)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.38)
Iberian + Rhaeti (12.06)
Iberian + Aquitani (13.61)
Iberian (13.65)
Aquitani + Phoenician (16.21)
Etruscan (17.06)
Aquitani (17.65)
Rhaeti (18.08)

406. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.09 - V5P

Viking Icelandic + Belgae (4.466)
Belgae + Saxon (7.234)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (7.254)
Celt + Belgae (7.408)
Viking Icelandic (8.153)
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (8.518)
Celt (9.3)
Viking Danish (11.61)
Belgae (12.96)
Saxon (13.14)

408. Carthago-Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - R475

Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.009)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (6.364)
Philistine + Phoenician (6.686)
Carthaginian (6.8)
Phoenician (7.36)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (7.944)
Philistine + Carthaginian (8.145)
Philistine (13.51)
Roman Hispania (16.02)
Etruscan (17.07)

412. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - R35

Philistine + Thracian (3.467)
Philistine + Roman (4.883)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (5.599)
Roman Hispania + Roman (5.984)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.042)
Roman (6.226)
Ancient Greek (11.03)
Roman Hispania (11.11)
Thracian (11.67)
Philistine (14.71)

416. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.29 - I3322

Iberian (Genetic match)


420. Imperial Roman Era Sardinia
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.43 - AMC001

Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (4.472)
Roman + Carthaginian (6.466)
Thracian + Carthaginian (6.617)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (9.07)
Roman + Phoenician (9.247)
Roman Hispania (10.36)
Carthaginian (11.12)
Roman (13.11)
Thracian (15.48)
Phoenician (15.49)

425. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.56 - R836

Philistine + Roman (9.784)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (10.36)
Roman + Thracian (10.59)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (10.68)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (10.69)
Roman (11.5)
Philistine (15.22)
Gallo-Roman (16.01)
Ancient Greek (16.55)
Thracian (17.41)

431. Bronze Age Wehringen
1972 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - WEHR_1474

Thuringii (19.67)

433. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.64 - ros3

Etruscan + Balari (2.287)
Iberian + Balari (2.441)
Latin + Balari (6.432)
Phoenician + Balari (7.846)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.54)
Balari (14.52)
Etruscan (14.84)
Phoenician (16.54)
Latin (17.17)
Iberian (17.52)

442. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - I12031

Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)

443. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.82 - G57

Viking Danish + Belgae (3.866)
Viking Danish + Celt (4.925)
Viking Danish (5.37)
Celt + Belgae (5.393)
Belgae + Saxon (5.491)
Viking Danish + Frank (6.51)
Celt (7.28)
Frank (9.399)
Belgae (9.802)
Saxon (10.79)

447. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - R60

Roman (4.432)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (4.924)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.091)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (5.769)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.37)
Roman + Thracian (6.857)
Hellenic Roman (11.56)
Roman Hispania (13.56)
Gallo-Roman (13.77)
Thracian (13.92)

448. Medieval Sardinia
1300 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - Geridu2568-1

Ancient Greek + Phoenician (3.87)
Philistine + Phoenician (6.292)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (7.403)
Philistine + Carthaginian (7.709)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (8.324)
Phoenician (10.81)
Carthaginian (10.93)
Philistine (12.02)
Roman Hispania (14.66)
Ancient Greek (15.01)

449. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.91 - I4896

Visigoth + Celt (2.797)
Celt + Frank (3.561)
Gaul + Saxon (3.702)
Celt + Gaul (3.784)
Saxon + Frank (4.86)
Frank (6.733)
Visigoth (7.895)
Celt (8.987)
Gaul (9.445)
Saxon (9.703)

454. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.98 - OTTM_154

Belgae + Phoenician (20.54)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (20.71)
Iberian + Illyrian (20.73)
Belgae + Iberian (22.34)
Illyrian + Phoenician (22.47)
Illyrian (24.14)
Gallo-Roman (25.22)
Belgae (25.39)
Phoenician (25.98)
Iberian (26.02)

455. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.98 - I7554

Etruscan + Balari (4.77)
Carthaginian + Balari (5.445)
Phoenician + Balari (5.447)
Latin + Balari (8.491)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.617)
Phoenician (13.01)
Etruscan (15.55)
Balari (15.66)
Carthaginian (16.19)
Latin (18.09)

457. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.01 - R835

Roman (Genetic match)

466. Bronze Age Dagger Koenigsbrunn
2046 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - OBKR_80

Celt + Saxon (5.912)
Celt + Vandal (6.035)
Saxon (6.519)
Vandal + Saxon (7.079)
Visigoth + Saxon (7.135)
Celt + Frank (7.23)
Celt (7.989)
Vandal (9.211)
Frank (10.34)
Visigoth (10.87)

467. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.19 - I2860

Celt + Belgae (5.658)
Belgae + Saxon (5.704)
Celt + Saxon (6.005)
Belgae + Vandal (6.291)
Celt (6.343)
Celt + Frank (8.07)
Saxon (9.427)
Frank (11.46)
Vandal (12.41)
Belgae (12.45)

468. Bell Beaker Scotland
2145 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.21 - I5471

Visigoth + Saxon (4.582)
Visigoth + Frank (4.772)
Saxon + Frank (4.794)
Frank (5.02)
Visigoth (5.106)
Visigoth + Celt (5.575)
Celt + Frank (5.613)
Saxon (6.494)
Celt (9.965)
Longobard (12.29)

470. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.26 - Niedertiefenbach40

Iberian + Balari (4.046)
Rhaeti + Balari (5.119)
Etruscan + Balari (6.537)
Latin + Balari (6.629)
Iberian + Latin (12.83)
Etruscan (16.04)
Iberian (16.04)
Latin (16.43)
Balari (16.51)
Rhaeti (17.45)

476. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.36 - KT32

Celt + Belgae (4.283)
Pict + Belgae (6.347)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.596)
Pict + Celt (7.695)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (8.075)
Celt (9.544)
Pict (10.97)
Viking Danish (11.42)
Belgae (11.87)
Viking Icelandic (13.35)

477. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.39 - Rise47

Celt + Belgae (4.061)
Celt + Saxon (6.032)
Celt (6.367)
Belgae + Vandal (6.82)
Belgae + Saxon (7.133)
Celt + Frank (7.454)
Saxon (8.904)
Vandal (12.35)
Frank (13.0)
Belgae (13.04)

478. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.46 - Niedertiefenbach35

Latin (11.53)
Latin + Etruscan (11.88)
Iberian + Latin (12.15)
Latin + Rhaeti (12.76)
Gallo-Roman + Latin (14.1)
Iberian + Etruscan (14.19)
Etruscan (15.87)
Iberian (16.57)
Rhaeti (16.74)
Gallo-Roman (17.81)

479. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.49 - VK535

Ancient Greek + Roman (2.28)
Roman + Thracian (2.561)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (3.833)
Roman (4.755)
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.878)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.782)
Thracian (8.009)
Ancient Greek (10.37)
Roman Hispania (12.57)
Hellenic Roman (13.11)

481. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.56 - Niedertiefenbach23

Latin + Balari (3.218)
Iberian + Balari (4.171)
Rhaeti + Balari (5.386)
Etruscan + Balari (5.807)
Latin + Etruscan (12.33)
Latin (12.43)
Etruscan (15.87)
Iberian (16.69)
Rhaeti (16.91)
Balari (17.23)

483. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - MSR002

Thracian + Carthaginian (7.734)
Roman + Carthaginian (8.358)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (8.415)
Philistine + Roman Hispania (8.874)
Roman Hispania + Roman (10.1)
Roman Hispania (11.19)
Roman (12.69)
Carthaginian (13.53)
Thracian (14.57)
Philistine (14.78)

485. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - I5441


Celt + Belgae (7.169)
Celt + Saxon (8.189)
Belgae + Saxon (8.535)
Celt + Frank (9.947)
Belgae + Vandal (10.5)
Celt (10.65)
Saxon (14.43)
Belgae (14.64)
Vandal (15.36)
Frank (15.45)

486. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.61 - R57

Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.01)
Roman + Thracian (7.03)
Ancient Greek + Roman (7.138)
Roman (7.258)
Ancient Greek + Thracian (7.668)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (7.837)
Ancient Greek (12.31)
Thracian (13.35)
Gallo-Roman (14.31)
Roman Hispania (15.33)

488. Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.63 - I7249

Celt + Ostrogoth (3.704)
Saxon + Ostrogoth (4.876)
Celt + Saxon (5.586)
Visigoth + Ostrogoth (5.81)
Ostrogoth + Frank (6.077)
Saxon (6.675)
Celt (7.797)
Ostrogoth (9.046)
Frank (9.427)
Visigoth (10.31)

490. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.65 - I3123

Phoenician + Carthaginian (6.437)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (6.988)
Philistine + Phoenician (7.08)
Ancient Greek + Etruscan (7.444)
Phoenician (7.927)
Carthaginian (8.383)
Ancient Greek + Phoenician (8.387)
Philistine (13.6)
Etruscan (17.37)
Ancient Greek (18.47)

495. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - R1290

Hellenic Roman + Roman (4.137)
Roman + Thracian (4.81)
Ancient Greek + Roman (4.861)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (5.054)
Roman (5.232)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.442)
Hellenic Roman (9.899)
Thracian (9.928)
Roman Hispania (11.49)
Ancient Greek (12.05)

496. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.81 - I2653

Celt + Saxon (3.298)
Celt + Vandal (4.019)
Celt + Longobard (4.89)
Celt (5.222)
Vandal + Saxon (5.461)
Celt + Frank (5.582)
Saxon (5.833)
Vandal (6.956)
Frank (11.13)
Longobard (12.16)

498. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.82 - BIS385

Visigoth + Saxon (4.715)
Visigoth + Celt (5.382)
Visigoth + Vandal (5.494)
Saxon + Frank (5.854)
Vandal + Frank (6.489)
Frank (6.882)
Saxon (8.127)
Visigoth (10.12)
Vandal (10.73)
Celt (10.76)

500. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.88 - I7639

Celtiberian + Saxon (8.053)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.235)
Vascones + Saxon (10.76)
Celt + Belgae (11.09)
Celt + Vascones (11.09)
Celt (14.84)
Belgae (16.34)
Saxon (18.85)
Vascones (19.11)
Celtiberian (19.15)

534. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.51 - I7554

Etruscan + Balari (5.906)
Latin + Balari (8.227)
Latin + Carthaginian (8.954)
Carthaginian + Balari (9.738)
Latin + Phoenician (10.32)
Etruscan (14.06)
Latin (14.62)
Carthaginian (16.35)
Phoenician (17.32)
Balari (18.48)

619. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.78 - SNN001

Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
Alemanni + Ostrogoth (11.11)
Vandal + Ligurian (11.77)
Vandal + Frank (12.59)
Alemanni (13.1)
Ostrogoth (13.85)
Frank (14.44)
Vandal (15.35)
Ligurian (15.95)


And also my father gets this sample that I don't get and have already lost.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sxwxn-RAubA/YDZcyzxFRvI/AAAAAAAAF6o/7GXLmJ9rfhw9SVsm_GzXlRoEsyBTErdpwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1309/ModernPeriod.jpeg

Salento
26-02-21, 22:24
... it doesn't say who they are,

... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,

... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg

... 23andme vs 23andme :)

Salento
27-02-21, 00:59
... nah, ... they’re 28 Ancient Romans, ... totally :grin:


... it doesn't say who they are,

... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,

... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg

... 23andme vs 23andme :)

Salento
27-02-21, 05:21
Imperial Rome relatives with Exceptional Relationship:

https://i.imgur.com/MKmvRfC.jpg

Salento
27-02-21, 08:22
... since the small numbers,

imho modern y T men are the descendants of a few formidable survivors from primordial Tribes destroyed by war / invasion, or an apocalyptic event.

... survival of the fittest / natural selection.

That's why we're few, ... though tough and smart :)

https://i.imgur.com/VfJG0UW.jpg

Salento
27-02-21, 16:34
I was going to say “tougher and smarter than average”, ... and though correct in an evolutionary sense, it would have sounded arrogant, ... and so I didn’t say it out of modesty :)

Carlos
27-02-21, 16:55
... it doesn't say who they are,

... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,

... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg
... 23andme vs 23andme :)

It is obvious!!!

Carlos
27-02-21, 16:59
My father's Deep Dive and then my own.

Father
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lhRV4UNOQ4w/YDpbN27xAXI/AAAAAAAAF7g/K0PYD_JCIv0Wi5igUrLyoY7R820iXpBvQCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Timeline1Timeline1.jpeg.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o4yD3dd8_so/YDpbdzJWWLI/AAAAAAAAF7o/qIYmVzOSUIQP-k5OYeyBTwIIAAEjRgAvwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Timeline2mel.jpeg
Mine

Salento
03-03-21, 07:57
game over

... if you don't get the credit you deserve, ... delete the thread.

Stuvanè
20-03-21, 23:06
Some updates here.
The most intriguing is the Bronze Age Tepe Hissar I2514 in the Asia map.

(Although part of the report is currently incorrect, mixing information with information from a medieval Iberian sample.
The location of Tepe Hissar itself on the map is also a bit rough (as far as I know, the location is immediately southeast of the Caspian Sea in northeastern Iran)


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/162688077_10226932701282913_133792883792244786_o.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=KhgXuZRDSd8AX9pBp_M&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=26fcb217a6474eeb9ef12b106a2db816&oe=607EAE0B

julia90
15-05-21, 04:34
My genetic ethnicity : Tuscan
12685

Im more than 80% ancient Roman ..i suppose, the illyrian snips are probably a pre-historic ancient genetic match; in fact those illyrians are more similari to the South West of Europe than to current populations in the ballkans

The fascinating snips of Minoans are either linked to the fact that at the etruscan time in my region there were lots of trade with them.. Or a link to the colonization of Magna Graecia in South Italy

And the Phoenicians are sure linked to their trade and colonies in costal South Italy

I got no etruscans, as it seems they were genetically strong South West european

Illyricum
19-05-21, 21:14
Hello, what is the data of the Serbs who sent their raw data to MyTrueAncestry?

torzio
20-05-21, 19:13
my top 3 ...............number 3 is a new one



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 100 % match vs all users



2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.038 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users



.................................................. .....


my oldest matches




14. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



44. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



53. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 95 % match vs all users

torzio
20-05-21, 19:18
my father top 3



1. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.095 - MOK10
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.072 - SZ45
Top 97 % match vs all users



3. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.192 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



.....................................

my 1st cousin from Cles-trentino top 3 ..................she is from my paternal Gfather sister line





1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 3.445 - R1
Top 100 % match vs all users



2. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.549 - CL36 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.369 - SZ43
Top 99 % match vs all users

Duarte
22-05-21, 15:49
Broion BR003. New sample available on MTA

https://i.imgur.com/0XnUuVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZA3AcJH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5I3IvA0.jpg

Palermo Trapani
22-05-21, 16:55
Duarte: Nice results (post #3549) with the Broion samples. I know you got some good distances with some of the Northern Italian Clustered samples in Antonio et al 2019 as well. So some consistent results across the two different samples used in the Antonio et al 2019 and Saupe et al 2021 papers.

Duarte
22-05-21, 17:11
Duarte: Nice results (post #3549) with the Broion samples. I know you got some good distances with some of the Northern Italian Clustered samples in Antonio et al 2019 as well. So some consistent results across the two different samples used in the Antonio et al 2019 and Saupe et al 2021 papers.

Hello Trapani.

Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???

The Veneti are much later culture.

Palermo Trapani
22-05-21, 17:15
Hello Trapani.

Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???

The Veneti are much later culture.

Yes, they do get sloppy with there archeological labeling. Still a big fan of the product.

Duarte
22-05-21, 17:37
Yes, they do get sloppy with there archeological labeling. Still a big fan of the product.

I am a big fan too. :)
Stil loving the graphics and the and the usual readiness to follow new studies and collect sample data to make available to users of the application.

torzio
22-05-21, 18:54
Hello Trapani.

Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???

The Veneti are much later culture.

Heneti/Veneti they refer to are the Eneti a Palaic people from north-west Asia minor ( anatolia ) who have been linked with the Veneti of Italy and the Istrians ( histrians )


The country of Pala can be located in the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) region. There are two possibilities where Pala may have laid in this region. The first possibility is the country known as Paphlagonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia) in classical antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity). The second possibility is the territory which was called Blaene (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blaene&action=edit&redlink=1) in antiquity. Both equations are based on phonetic similarity. A country named *Bla leading to Blaene in cuneiform script (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script) only could have been written as pa-la-a.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-4)
HistoryIn the Old Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hittite) period Pala was mentioned as an administrative area under Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites) jurisdiction in the Hittite laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_laws).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-5) At the end of the Old Hittite period, contact between the Hittites and Pala ceased because of the Kaskian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskians) capture of the Black Sea region.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-6) It is likely that the Palaic peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaic_peoples) disappeared with the Kaskian invasion.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-7)

Duarte
22-05-21, 19:25
Heneti/Veneti they refer to are the Eneti a Palaic people from north-west Asia minor ( anatolia ) who have been linked with the Veneti of Italy and the Istrians ( histrians )


The country of Pala can be located in the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) region. There are two possibilities where Pala may have laid in this region. The first possibility is the country known as Paphlagonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia) in classical antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity). The second possibility is the territory which was called Blaene (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blaene&action=edit&redlink=1) in antiquity. Both equations are based on phonetic similarity. A country named *Bla leading to Blaene in cuneiform script (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script) only could have been written as pa-la-a.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-4)
History

In the Old Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hittite) period Pala was mentioned as an administrative area under Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites) jurisdiction in the Hittite laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_laws).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-5) At the end of the Old Hittite period, contact between the Hittites and Pala ceased because of the Kaskian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskians) capture of the Black Sea region.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-6) It is likely that the Palaic peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaic_peoples) disappeared with the Kaskian invasion.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-7)

Thanks by the explanations Torzio.

torzio
22-05-21, 19:32
Thanks by the explanations Torzio.


np


I have no links with these new Heneti on the site ................guess my line was already in Europe before these people came in the late bronze-age

Duarte
22-05-21, 19:39
np


I have no links with these new Heneti on the site ................guess my line was already in Europe before these people came in the late bronze-age

Thanks again Torzio
I was directed by MTA that put the pic below in the explanations about the Heneti in the app. The pic that they put was taked from this topic published in Wikipedia that talks about the Heneti.

https://i.imgur.com/kfGxNtj.jpg

Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti

torzio
23-05-21, 00:17
Thanks again Torzio
I was directed by MTA that put the pic below in the explanations about the Heneti in the app. The pic that they put was taked from this topic published in Wikipedia that talks about the Heneti.

https://i.imgur.com/kfGxNtj.jpg

Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti


Where did you see this in MTA .....i upgraded an hour ago and I still see nothing on these in any of my 3 samples



this is the only new one I got

37. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - STR310
Top 96 % match vs all users

apart from the 4 x Hellenic ones yesterday

Duarte
23-05-21, 01:53
Where did you see this in MTA .....i upgraded an hour ago and I still see nothing on these in any of my 3 samples



this is the only new one I got

37. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - STR310
Top 96 % match vs all users

apart from the 4 x Hellenic ones yesterday

In my case I fellow these steps: Firs, I select the ‘i’ (information), that is the blue button available at the end of the sample discription. After, I select the tab ‘Closest Ancient’. In the sequence I cick in the term (Heneti), that appear soon after the artistic pic of the Heneti warriors, and the Italy’s Iron Age map is displayed. I see the same map in English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia searching by the term ‘Veneti’.

It’s my 57 matching sample

57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003

Top match vs all users

These ancient sample is more closest to modern Iberians, according MTA.

torzio
23-05-21, 08:57
In my case I fellow these steps: Firs, I select the ‘i’ (information), that is the blue button available at the end of the sample discription. After, I select the tab ‘Closest Ancient’. In the sequence I cick in the term (Heneti), that appear soon after the artistic pic of the Heneti warriors, and the Italy’s Iron Age map is displayed. I see the same map in English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia searching by the term ‘Veneti’.

It’s my 57 matching sample

57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003

Top match vs all users


These ancient sample is more closest to modern Iberians, according MTA.


does not appear for me ...and I reloaded by data from scracth

Wiki Veneti map .............is a linguistic map IIRC.......the Veneti and the Liburnians speak the same language .......that's what they say

Stuvanè
23-05-21, 13:04
I've seen around various groups that even to other current people from Veneto such Heneti samples don't always appear in their deep-dive (indeed, as Duarte pointed out they are close to Iberians, so they are more likely to appear to Western and/or Northern Europeans). Perhaps because they were very rich in EEF and WHG than modern north-eastern Italians.


I don't have them in my matches nor in the deep dive set. Currently my deep dive with whom I share the most segments is the Helladic Log04

https://scontent.flin1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/188833090_517990869563302_3673626895617431296_n.pn g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Ydmd-x9P80wAX8aunoD&_nc_ht=scontent.flin1-2.fna&oh=60997592ddaabb25e63f67cdf78f0aee&oe=60CEA8C2

torzio
23-05-21, 19:05
i reloaded my data .........and now have my 23andme v3 and my ftdna bigy included ......................top 4 results from each is below

23andme


1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.038 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.334 - Log04_wgs
Top 99 % match vs all users


.......................................

ftdna



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.192 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.334 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.565 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users

Duarte
23-05-21, 19:39
Broion BR003. New sample available on MTA

https://i.imgur.com/0XnUuVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZA3AcJH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5I3IvA0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png

torzio
23-05-21, 21:42
https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png


MTA wrongly presented the name ...............the Heneti, Eneti, Veneti did not arrive there until 1250

plus the place found is still called the Euganei Hills as of today

origin; the Colli Euganei (maximum altitude 603 m) and the Monti ... relief of the Monti Berici -Grottina dei Covoloni del Broion,

colli = Hills

Euganei is a indigenous tribe which had 34 towns as per roman historian Cato

Euganei a Pre-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe) people, ethnically related to the Ingauni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingauni), as suggested by the similarity of the names. According to Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) the Stoni (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stoni&action=edit&redlink=1) people from Trentino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino) were of the same stock as the Euganei. Cato the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder), in the lost book of Origines, counted among the major tribes of the Euganeans; the Triumplini of Val Trompia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Trompia) and the Camunni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camunni) of Val Camonica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Camonica).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euganei#cite_note-2)
According to Livy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy), they were defeated by the Adriatic Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti) and the Trojans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy). Their descendants settled west of the Athesis (Adige) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adige) river, around the lakes Sebinus, Edrus and Benacus, where they occupied 34 towns, which were admitted by Augustus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus) to the rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Rights) of Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins_(Italic_tribe)) municipalities.

Polada culture should be part of the Euganei group

The Rhaeti should also be 1st cousins to the Euganei or an ancient branch of them

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=7WsLAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA24&lr=&as_brr=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

torzio
23-05-21, 21:50
Euganei

The Euganei (or Euganeans) were not part of the West Indo-European (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianWestIndoEuropeans.htm) migration into southern Central Europe from its Pontic steppe homeland between about 3500-2500 BC. Instead they may have borne a degree of relationship with the Etruscans (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/ItalyEtruscans.htm) of north-western Italy (although the Celtic Encyclopaedia lists them as Ligurians (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianLigurians.htm)). Possibly they (and the Etruscans) were indigenous, but one school of thought from the twentieth century had the latter migrating from the eastern steppes immediately before their rise around 800 BC - unlikely, as they would have had to make their way through various Indo-European (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/AsiaIndoEuropeans.htm) groups (see map for more information).

The Euganei initially had tribal centres around Verona and Padua (Patavium). They extended towards the Raeti (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianRaeti.htm) and shared territory with them, mining and trading in iron ore. Cato counts thirty-four Euganei towns (and therefore groups, tribes, or sub-tribes), amongst which were the Triumpilini of Val Trompia, a people who were claimed as being sold along with their territory (in other words, they probably accepted payment for loyalty to Rome (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/ItalyRome.htm#Republic)). The dominant tribe seems to have been the Stœni (while Strabo also mentions the Stoni or Stœni among the minor Alpine tribes. Mannert thinks they dwelt near the sources of the River Chiese, around the site of the modern village of Storo). The Camuni (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianRaeti.htm) or Camunni (around Val Camonica at the south-western end of Raeti territories are ascribed as being Euganei by Pliny, but not by others who generally place them amongst the Ligurians).
From the third millennium BC, as that West Indo-European migration increased, the Euganei found themselves surrounded. It was the Veneti on the Adriatic coast who came to dominate them (an arrival story for the Veneti incorporates the Trojan War - see below). By the time the Romans were available to document these northern Italian and Alpine tribes the Euganei were a client tribe of the Veneti and had lost their former capital of Verona to the Cenomani (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianCenomani.htm).
(Information by Edward Dawson and Peter Kessler, with additional information by Maurizio Puntin, from The History of Rome, Volume 1, Titus Livius (translated by Rev Canon Roberts)

Duarte
23-05-21, 23:43
MTA wrongly presented the name ...............the Heneti, Eneti, Veneti did not arrive there until 1250

plus the place found is still called the Euganei Hills as of today

origin; the Colli Euganei (maximum altitude 603 m) and the Monti ... relief of the Monti Berici -Grottina dei Covoloni del Broion,

colli = Hills

Euganei is a indigenous tribe which had 34 towns as per roman historian Cato

Euganei a Pre-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe) people, ethnically related to the Ingauni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingauni), as suggested by the similarity of the names. According to Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) the Stoni (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stoni&action=edit&redlink=1) people from Trentino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino) were of the same stock as the Euganei. Cato the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder), in the lost book of Origines, counted among the major tribes of the Euganeans; the Triumplini of Val Trompia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Trompia) and the Camunni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camunni) of Val Camonica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Camonica).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euganei#cite_note-2)
According to Livy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy), they were defeated by the Adriatic Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti) and the Trojans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy). Their descendants settled west of the Athesis (Adige) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adige) river, around the lakes Sebinus, Edrus and Benacus, where they occupied 34 towns, which were admitted by Augustus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus) to the rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Rights) of Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins_(Italic_tribe)) municipalities.

Polada culture should be part of the Euganei group

The Rhaeti should also be 1st cousins to the Euganei or an ancient branch of them

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=7WsLAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA24&lr=&as_brr=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thanks by the explanations Torzio

Pax Augusta
27-05-21, 13:40
https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png


MTA is a joke as usual, the ethnic label (Heneti Italic tribe) is completely invented.

The huge problem with amateur tools like MTA is that they contribute to spreading misinformation.

True Caesar
27-05-21, 14:07
I recently discovered MTA and sort of thought it was too good to be true because I’d never seen a service that matched you to ancient samples with such...flash. But then I discovered its reputation here and I’m glad I didn’t pay for anything and used the Dodecad K12 Analyzer instead. I’m not a professional so I’m not able to tell on my own whether something is reliable or not. Grateful to communities like this. That said, could you explain to me exactly why MTA is inaccurate so that I can better understand?

torzio
27-05-21, 19:10
Thanks by the explanations Torzio


just to finalise ..................you can go to this national park today and enjoy the hot springs which the ancient Euganei used

EUGA´NEI Eth. EUGA (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=EUGA&la=la&can=euga0)´NEI (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=NEI&la=la&can=nei0&prior=EUGA) a people of Northern Italy, who play but an unimportant part in historical times, but appear at an earlier period to have been more powerful and widely spread. Livy expressly tells us (1.1) that they occupied the whole tract from the Alps to the head of the Adriatic, from which they were expelled by the Veneti. And it is quite in accordance with this statement that Pliny describes Verona as inhabited partly by Rhaetians, partly by Euganeans, and that Cato enumerated 34 towns belonging to them. (Plin. Nat. 3.19. s. 23 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.23&lang=original), 20 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.20&lang=original). s. 24.) They appear to have been driven by the Veneti into the valleys of the Alps on the Italian side of the chain, where they continued to subsist in the time of Pliny as a separate people, and had received the Latin franchise. But they must also have occupied the detached group of volcanic hills between Patavium and Verona, which are still known as the Euganean Hills (Colli (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Colli&la=la&can=colli0&prior=NEI) Euganei (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Euganei&la=la&can=euganei0&prior=Colli)), a name evidently transmitted by uninterrupted tradition, though not found in any ancient geographer. Lucan indeed speaks of the “Euganeus collis,” which he associates with the baths of Aponus, and it is probable that the “Euganei lacus” of Martial refer to the same waters. (Lucan 7.192 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Luc. 7.192&lang=original); Martial, 4.25. 4 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Mart. 4.25.4&lang=original).) The latter author in another passage gives the name of Euganean to the town of Ateste at the foot of the same hills, and Sidonius Apollinaris applies the epithet of “Euganeae chartae” to the writings of Livy. (Id. 10.93; Sidon. Apoll. Paneg. Anthem. 189.) Hence it is evident that the tradition of their having previously occupied these regions survived long after their expulsion by the Veneti. According to Cato, the mountain tribes of the Triumpilini and Camuni, considerably further west (in the Val Camonica and Val Trompia) were also of Euganean race (ap. Plin. Nat. 3.20. s. 24 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.20.24&lang=original)).
We have no indication of the national affinities of the Euganeans. Ancient writers appear to have regarded them as a distinct race from the Veneti and from the Rhaetians, as well as from the Gauls who subsequently invaded this part of Italy; but from what stock they proceeded we have no account at all. The notion of their Greek descent (Plin. l.c.) was evidently a mere etymological fancy, based upon the supposed derivation of their name from ἐυγενε̂ις (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=e%29ugene%3Dis&la=greek&can=e%29ugene%3Dis0&prior=Euganei), “the well-born.”
The chief tribe of the Euganei was called, according to Pliny, Stoeni or Stoni, a name which is also found in Strabo among the minor Alpine tribes (Στόνοι (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=*sto%2Fnoi&la=greek&can=*sto%2Fnoi0&prior=e)ugene=is), Strab. iv. p.204), but we have no clue to their position, [E.H.B (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:id=author.E.H.B )] [p. 1.874]


you can bathe in the hot springs...drink some Soave white wines , hike around

https://www.writtenpalette.com/colli-euganei-discovering-the-wines-of-the-venetian-hills/

Clearly the Ancient Euganei tribes where using these hot springs

Duarte
27-05-21, 19:45
MTA is a joke as usual, the ethnic label (Heneti Italic tribe) is completely invented.

The huge problem with amateur tools like MTA is that they contribute to spreading misinformation.

I agree Pax.
The sample was badly labeled by the MTA. There is always the interest of the MTA in marketing, ever linking the samples to a prominent civilization or culture of the past and, with this, the technical labeling that appears in the academic articles is impaired, summing up to the quote of the sample number.

Duarte
27-05-21, 19:45
just to finalise ..................you can go to this national park today and enjoy the hot springs which the ancient Euganei used

EUGA´NEI

Eth. EUGA (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=EUGA&la=la&can=euga0)´NEI (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=NEI&la=la&can=nei0&prior=EUGA) a people of Northern Italy, who play but an unimportant part in historical times, but appear at an earlier period to have been more powerful and widely spread. Livy expressly tells us (1.1) that they occupied the whole tract from the Alps to the head of the Adriatic, from which they were expelled by the Veneti. And it is quite in accordance with this statement that Pliny describes Verona as inhabited partly by Rhaetians, partly by Euganeans, and that Cato enumerated 34 towns belonging to them. (Plin. Nat. 3.19. s. 23 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.23&lang=original), 20 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.20&lang=original). s. 24.) They appear to have been driven by the Veneti into the valleys of the Alps on the Italian side of the chain, where they continued to subsist in the time of Pliny as a separate people, and had received the Latin franchise. But they must also have occupied the detached group of volcanic hills between Patavium and Verona, which are still known as the Euganean Hills (Colli (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Colli&la=la&can=colli0&prior=NEI) Euganei (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Euganei&la=la&can=euganei0&prior=Colli)), a name evidently transmitted by uninterrupted tradition, though not found in any ancient geographer. Lucan indeed speaks of the “Euganeus collis,” which he associates with the baths of Aponus, and it is probable that the “Euganei lacus” of Martial refer to the same waters. (Lucan 7.192 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Luc. 7.192&lang=original); Martial, 4.25. 4 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Mart. 4.25.4&lang=original).) The latter author in another passage gives the name of Euganean to the town of Ateste at the foot of the same hills, and Sidonius Apollinaris applies the epithet of “Euganeae chartae” to the writings of Livy. (Id. 10.93; Sidon. Apoll. Paneg. Anthem. 189.) Hence it is evident that the tradition of their having previously occupied these regions survived long after their expulsion by the Veneti. According to Cato, the mountain tribes of the Triumpilini and Camuni, considerably further west (in the Val Camonica and Val Trompia) were also of Euganean race (ap. Plin. Nat. 3.20. s. 24 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.20.24&lang=original)).
We have no indication of the national affinities of the Euganeans. Ancient writers appear to have regarded them as a distinct race from the Veneti and from the Rhaetians, as well as from the Gauls who subsequently invaded this part of Italy; but from what stock they proceeded we have no account at all. The notion of their Greek descent (Plin. l.c.) was evidently a mere etymological fancy, based upon the supposed derivation of their name from ἐυγενε̂ις (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=e%29ugene%3Dis&la=greek&can=e%29ugene%3Dis0&prior=Euganei), “the well-born.”
The chief tribe of the Euganei was called, according to Pliny, Stoeni or Stoni, a name which is also found in Strabo among the minor Alpine tribes (Στόνοι (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=*sto%2Fnoi&la=greek&can=*sto%2Fnoi0&prior=e)ugene=is), Strab. iv. p.204), but we have no clue to their position, [E.H.B (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:id=author.E.H.B )] [p. 1.874]


you can bathe in the hot springs...drink some Soave white wines , hike around

https://www.writtenpalette.com/colli-euganei-discovering-the-wines-of-the-venetian-hills/

Clearly the Ancient Euganei tribes where using these hot springs

Thanks for the travel tip Torzio. I love to travel and Italy is always a great destination. My wife and I love the country. Unfortunately, Brazilian tourists today, thanks to our most dignified President of the Republic and his ineptitude in controlling the pandemic in Brazil, are unwanted in most countries of the globe. I am already resigned to no longer doing foreign tourism. I will leave that now to my son and his future wife, and grandchildren, if they will gave me any.

Salento
27-05-21, 23:58
… they’ll match you with the Ancient Civilizations genetically closest to you !

https://i.imgur.com/v0rtfFW.gif

Duarte
28-05-21, 00:46
… they’ll match you with the Ancient Civilizations genetically closest to you !

https://i.imgur.com/v0rtfFW.gif

:good_job:

They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.

torzio
28-05-21, 01:07
:good_job:

They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.


did they mean these veneti from gaul ....sometimes also known as Heneti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneti_(Gaul)

torzio
28-05-21, 01:15
Ancient Roman reference

3.Italians

The Italians consisted of the Rhaeti, the Lepontii and the Camuni.

Nomenclature - The Greek name for this people was Ἰταλοί, the Latin version is Itali. The standard English name is Italians. An alternative name for them is Oenotrians

Geographical notes - This name was used to indicate the people who lived south of the isthmus of Italy in the region that was situated above the Sicilian Straits

So Sicily was "not italian" in ancient times


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4.Italiotes

This name is not only used for the Italiotes themselves, but also for the Cisalpine Galatae and the Heneti after they received the same rights as the Italiotes had received from the Romans. Sometimes they were also called Romans.

Nomenclature - The Greek name for this people is Ἰταλιώται. The Latin version is Italiotae, while the standard English version is Italiotes.

Geographical notes - The Italiotes lived in Italy.

History - They were sometimes attacked by certain tribes of the Vindelici and the Rhaeti, who were very savage in their attack. In fact they were so savage they murdered all the males when they conquered cities, even the male infants. Their savagery didn’t stop there, since they also are said to have killed the women who were said by their seers to be pregnant of male child

torzio
28-05-21, 01:16
Veneti in Italy never fought against the Romans but where allies from the Hannibal wars onwards


Veneti in Gaul where always at war against the Romans

Salento
28-05-21, 01:26
:good_job:

They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.

… some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)

… GedMatch:
BRC003 # QZ8281511

https://i.imgur.com/OvGVg4y.jpg

Duarte
28-05-21, 01:42
did they mean these veneti from gaul ....sometimes also known as Heneti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneti_(Gaul)

:good_job::smile:

Duarte
28-05-21, 01:45
… some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)

… GedMatch:
BRC003 # QZ8281511

https://i.imgur.com/OvGVg4y.jpg

:good_job::smile:

Illyricum
29-05-21, 20:53
here is my timeline 12708

torzio
29-05-21, 21:40
replacement of my 23andme v3 sample with my ftdna bigy

my first ancient is

Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary 2350 BC


I7043


2nd is


Protovillanovia Martinsicuro 930 BC
R1

next

Illyrian / Dalmatian 1600 BC

I4331




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Roman + Illyrian (5.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Illyrian (7.808)
Roman (9.782)









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timeline

2775 BC - Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol

Genetic Distance: 14.18
Shared DNA: 1.74 cM




2350 BC - Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary

Genetic Distance: 10.09
Shared DNA: 8.19 cM




2250 BC - Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria

Genetic Distance: 14.65
Shared DNA: 2.11 cM






and this added for the medical part which 23andme did not have

SNP: rs12979860 (https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/rs12979860) (CT) - Relevance:9.2
~20-40% of such hepatitis c patients respond to treatment

Illyricum
30-05-21, 09:15
hi can you tell me what exactly does that mean thank you1271112712127131271412715

pity that the video I cannot post it

Salento
31-05-21, 04:06
low cM, though a Top 2 Match … (beat that) :grin:

Probably they’re picking up one of the Messapi ancestry makeup:

https://i.imgur.com/UuZSWQf.jpg

Salento
31-05-21, 04:27
… Wrong Date / Wrong Era … SZ1 is the sample with the biggest Largest cM :) Otzi is my second:

https://i.imgur.com/f5wF588.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/JIHlUGk.jpg

torzio
31-05-21, 04:56
i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

OetziOetzi (3300 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)
Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample




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torzio
31-05-21, 04:58
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



8. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.607 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users

torzio
31-05-21, 05:00
@salento

can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users


78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users

Salento
31-05-21, 05:05
… R437 Latin Praeneste cM is much higher than R850 Latin Ardea cM,

… though total Latin R850 (y T) he’s my Favorite :grin:

… and if there's one there's definitely tons of them !

https://i.imgur.com/Hxbwf4j.jpg

Salento
31-05-21, 05:38
@salento

can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users


78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users

I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova

torzio
31-05-21, 06:11
I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova


thanks

13313B is

1 Italian-North 3.09
2 Italian_North 5.35
3 Kosovar 6

I do not remember which of the Italian North represents NW italy and other NE italy

Salento
31-05-21, 06:14
i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

Oetzi

Oetzi (3300 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)


Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
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… nice, Otzi is cool, … literally :)

torzio
31-05-21, 06:20
https://i.postimg.cc/QtKBCnsr/13313b.png



13313 is different
(https://postimg.cc/47Z4FPm8)

torzio
31-05-21, 06:42
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

or


I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers




Distance to:
Torzio_scaled



0.03371179
ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313


0.04182106
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331


0.05118026
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332








Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246





100.0
ILLYRIC








Distance to:
Torzio_scaled



0.03285568
77.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 22.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331


0.03311382
86.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 14.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332


0.04178635
94.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331 + 5.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332





13313B must be one of the bottom 2

Salento
31-05-21, 07:11
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

or


I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers




Distance to:
Torzio_scaled


0.03371179
ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313


0.04182106
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331


0.05118026
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332






Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246




100.0
ILLYRIC






13313B must be one of the bottom 2

I3313 14332 and MJ12:

https://i.imgur.com/JNYVjt6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GGcQxrI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pV0qM7l.jpg

torzio
31-05-21, 08:53
I3313 14332 and MJ12:

https://i.imgur.com/JNYVjt6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GGcQxrI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pV0qM7l.jpg


here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?

I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

I4332
mtDNA: W3a1

torzio
31-05-21, 08:55
or is it the Dalmatian/Ligurian 5700BCE from Cres ( a Croatian island )

I5072
mtDNA: H7c
Y-DNA: G2a2a1

Salento
31-05-21, 16:54
Official R Outliers
(… with GedM… #)

R6 # RL3009228 - Neolithic - Grotta Continenza
R475 # EK9024010 - Iron Age - Civitavecchia
R37 # QF4613000 - Imperial - Isola Sacra
R116 # GS7563370 - Imperial - Via Paisiello
R80 # CU3759345 - Imperial - Viale Rossini
R132 # JT4987798 - Imperial - Marcellino & Pietro
R31 # GH3133915 - Late Antiquity - Mausoleo di Augusto
R104 # CE7473504 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R106 # RJ2728415 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R64 # QT6475496 - Medieval and early modern - Villa Magna
R1286 # GB5258297 - Medieval and early modern - Cancelleria


https://i.imgur.com/b20TRzM.jpg

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf

torzio
31-05-21, 19:12
here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?

I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE


http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

I4332
mtDNA: W3a1

Veliki Vanik (2 individuals) Veliki Vanik burial mound is located near the town ofVrgoracin Split-Dalmatia County in southern Croatia. The mound is made of rock and soil deposit with a circular base of 20 m in diameter and a relative height of 3.5 m.
It was partly destroyed during the Early Modern Period when the stone dry wall was erected and some of the rock material was harvested from the site. Three Bronze Age graves -one in the shape of a stone coffin and two inhumations in plain soil -containing the remains of five individuals were explored during the rescue excavations.
Radiocarbon dates and preserved artifacts (hair ornament made of coiled copper wire and fragments of pottery) datethese burialsto the Early/MiddleBronze Age.28
•I4331/ VV1Poorly preserved subadult (5-7 years).
•I4332/ VV3Well-preserved adult female (40to 50 years). This individual exhibits an antemortem oval-shaped fracture on the frontal bone.

Salento
31-05-21, 19:20
@Torzio

I found and processed the I4331 Bam

... it might be different than the MTA file,

I4331 RawData download:

I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file

I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file


https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg

Duarte
31-05-21, 19:39
@Torzio

I found and processed the I4331 Bam

... it might be different than the MTA file,

I4331 RawData download:

I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file

I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file


https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg

I take this guy :)

https://i.imgur.com/kCcPcJ7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AMPpO1D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T23BDAm.jpg

Duarte
31-05-21, 19:41
My cousin from BA Italy :smile:

https://i.imgur.com/yuayvXE.jpg

57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003
Top
99 % match vs all users

torzio
31-05-21, 20:18
@Torzio

I found and processed the I4331 Bam

... it might be different than the MTA file,

I4331 RawData download:

I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file

I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file


https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg


thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?

what is i3313B then if not one of these?

Salento
31-05-21, 21:40
thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?

what is i3313B then if not one of these?

I’m processing I3313,
… unless they’re Twins, I3313 and I3313B are the same Ancient person.

Salento
31-05-21, 22:07
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.

https://i.imgur.com/s7Qfpds.png


https://i.imgur.com/vBhKuxt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DNG14rv.jpg

I3313 Raw-Data:

Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0vv4bidmcri2/I3313_Combined.zip/file

AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqtgcmzyz2r4t/I3313_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2s4kxtuqq4o/I3313_FTDNA_V2.zip/file

Er Monnezza
01-06-21, 00:13
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.

Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!

Salento
01-06-21, 00:31
Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!

I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:


https://i.imgur.com/vPhqYEm.gif

Er Monnezza
01-06-21, 02:42
I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:

Thank you so much for your work!

Duarte
01-06-21, 03:01
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.

https://i.imgur.com/s7Qfpds.png


https://i.imgur.com/vBhKuxt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DNG14rv.jpg

I3313 Raw-Data:

Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0vv4bidmcri2/I3313_Combined.zip/file

AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqtgcmzyz2r4t/I3313_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2s4kxtuqq4o/I3313_FTDNA_V2.zip/file

Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:

https://i.imgur.com/6vDbwTU.jpg

Salento
01-06-21, 04:24
Thank you so much for your work!
… you’re welcome … Er Monn…
I know that movie, ... lol

Salento
01-06-21, 04:51
Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:

https://i.imgur.com/6vDbwTU.jpg
…. they’re probably running two different file formats of the same sample.

I uploaded I3313, … I3313B showed up as a massive deep dive match, … could be the same person, a twin, or a close sibling, I Think.

https://i.imgur.com/dI1Ijg2.jpg

Duarte
01-06-21, 05:23
@Salento
I agree. :good_job:
I believe that I3313 and I3313B are the same individual and the difference between the two samples displayed on MTA must be an experiment of data imputation in I3313B, I don’t know.

Salento
08-06-21, 02:33
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif

Duarte
08-06-21, 04:21
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif

Very cool, Salento.:good_job:
These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.

12730


https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI

https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI

Salento
08-06-21, 05:25
Very cool, Salento.:good_job:
These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.

12730


https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI

:laughing: :good_job: … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)

Duarte
08-06-21, 05:42
:laughing: :good_job: … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)

:good_job::smile:

torzio
08-06-21, 06:32
first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up

Skeleton Lake Traveller - HellenicI3403 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2dY-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)
Genetic Distance: 21.441
Sample Match! 93% closer than other users

Salento
08-06-21, 13:45
first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

I3403 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d

Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)


Genetic Distance: 21.441
Sample Match! 93% closer than other users

with GedM…: got y and mt relatives on Skeleton Lake:

I3403 (y T1a2) - 9.8 cM - 5.5 Generations
I3404 (mt H12) - 7.1 cM - 7.5 Generations

I3403
https://i.imgur.com/YS6aLdD.jpg

I3404
https://i.imgur.com/Uc7vy5x.jpg

EDIT: … on MTA:
https://i.imgur.com/cRyobkW.jpg

Jovialis
08-06-21, 14:16
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif

This is more proof though, that this calculator is not reliable. ETR001 clusters with and is closest to Southern Italians/Sicilians; not Tuscans.

Here is the PCA from the study it is from:

https://i.imgur.com/uIupWDw.jpg

G25 also put them with Lazio, which I am sure is Northern Lazio.

Only Dodecad seems to get it right, and put them closest to Southern Italians, with Campania as the first population.

Jovialis
08-06-21, 14:20
Distance to:
ETR001


6.38203729
Italian_Campania


7.03265242
Italian_Abruzzo


7.62693910
Italian_Sicily


8.38596446
Italian_Calabria


8.38833142
Italian_Marche


9.60335879
Italian_Lazio


9.96289115
Ashkenazi_Jews


9.96578647
Italian_Apulia


10.96518582
Italian_Jews


11.02515760
Moldovan_Jewish


11.19228752
Greek_Lemnos


11.26296586
Italian_Romagna


11.56550474
French_Corsica


12.23690320
Greek_Central


12.30425130
Greek_Fournoi


12.35916664
Greek_Athens


12.37459494
Greek_Foca


12.60453490
Greek_Izmir


12.77140556
Sephardic_Jews


13.30770078
Greek_Crete


13.32534052
Italian_Tuscany


13.33030007
Greek_Icaria


13.47303975
Morocco_Jews


14.03145039
Greek_Kos


14.16424018
Greek_Peloponnese






Distance to:
ETR001


5.72585365
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.56417550
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.93676256
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.87417602
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.93407522
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


10.23708455
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.29304134
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


10.80237474
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


12.19273964
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


15.07897211
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.92457976
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


17.19678749
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


17.57018497
Etruscans_(n=3)


17.58842801
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


17.74870418
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


17.85048179
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


18.12963044
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


18.21896265
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


18.99202464
Villanovans_(n=2)


19.58193300
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.98121117
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


20.12171464
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


21.18671046
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


21.97552730
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


22.54377076
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)






Distance to:
Jovialis


7.95983668
ETR001





Here are the results from the other thread.

Salento
08-06-21, 14:55
Edit … deleted, I should’ve asked a member permission to … :-)



https://i.imgur.com/MTjPlrc.gif

https://i.imgur.com/jgcEmAX.gif



https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41501-Genomes-from-82-Etruscans-and-Southern-Italians-(800-BCE-%E2%80%93-1-000-CE)?p=625658&viewfull=1#post625658

hail1996
13-06-21, 18:24
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?

Kristiyan
13-06-21, 20:01
Closest Archaeogenetic matches


Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.77
Top 96 % match vs all users


Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.05
Top 95 % match vs all users


Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.07
Top 95 % match vs all users


Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.22
Top 90 % match vs all users


Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.36
Top 79 % match vs all users


Medieval Hungary / Balkan
1244 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.99
Top 48 % match vs all users


Skeleton Lake


Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic


mtDNA Haplogroup: H12
Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)


Deep Dive Match! 10% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 18.155
Sample Match! 91% closer than other users


Gelonian/Helonian Scythians


Scythian Moldova


mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b2a3
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)
Genetic Distance: 17.275
Sample Match! 72% closer than other users


Scythian Ukraine


mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b1a
Genetic Distance: 19.254
Sample Match! 79% closer than other users


Ancient relatives!


Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave 590 AD
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 45)
5 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 33.12 cM
Largest chain: 161 SNPs / 9.7 cM


Closest Ancient populations:


Byzantine + Scythian (5.441)
Byzantine + Gaul (8.073)
Seleucid + Scythian (9.124)
Scythian + Roman (10.47)
Seleucid + Gaul (11.89)


Gaul (16.5)
Roman (17.22)
Scythian (17.27)
Byzantine (17.63)
Seleucid (19.35)


Closest genetic modern populations:


1. Macedonian (5.131)
2. Romanian (5.401)
3. Bulgarian (6.141)
4. Bosnian (8.136)
5. Serbian (9.071)
6. Albanian_Tosk (11.45)
7. Kosovar (11.66)
8. Greek_Thessaly (11.79)

Pax Augusta
13-06-21, 20:03
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?

Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.

torzio
13-06-21, 21:39
Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.


the 4th century gaulish migration must have been numerous because the cenomani settled in modern verona, the Boii settled around modern Bologna and the semnos arrived on the coast to be butchered to the last man by the Romans circa 100BC

I don't think the Halstatt celts and the La tene celts where the exact same peoples as there is more than 500 years apart in time

Regio X
13-06-21, 21:50
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?What's interesting is that I consistently get something (N)W in calculators, and my parents don't get that much, even if overall I'm a bit more Southern shifted in relation to them. For example, I score above average (North Italy as reference) for Atlantic_Med in K12b, above average for Atlantic in K15, and FTDNA and MyHeritage keep giving me relatively high %s related to UK, such 32% in the former and something around 30% in the latter. I don't score for British in 23andMe, however, Brittany (France) shows up in there as a Likely Match. Angela suggested this matching in 23andMe could be explained by some Gallic ancestry. It does seem possible.
However, among old samples, one of the "Illyrians" tends to show up as my first in similarity tools, including MTA.

Duarte
14-06-21, 03:30
What's interesting is that I consistently get something (N)W in calculators, and my parents don't get that much, even if overall I'm a bit more Southern shifted in relation to them. For example, I score above average (North Italy as reference) for Atlantic_Med in K12b, above average for Atlantic in K15, and FTDNA and MyHeritage keep giving me relatively high %s related to UK, such 32% in the former and something around 30% in the latter. I don't score for British in 23andMe, however, Brittany (France) shows up in there as a Likely Match. Angela suggested this matching in 23andMe could be explained by some Gallic ancestry. It does seem possible.
However, among old samples, one of the "Illyrians" tends to show up as my first in similarity tools, including MTA.

Hi @Regio X. Out of topic. Do you believe that Alberto Fernandez's ancestors came by boat and that mine came from the jungle? :thinking::rolleyes2::good_job::grin::laughing:

Regio X
14-06-21, 14:17
Hi @Regio X. Out of topic. Do you believe that Alberto Fernandez's ancestors came by boat and that mine came from the jungle? :thinking::rolleyes2::good_job::grin::laughing:Dua rte, "our" ancestors. Mine were from an Araucaria moist forest. :grin:
It brings me to a fun story, but an innocent one. Several years ago, this far Italian cousin of mine, a very nice guy by the way, learned that he has several relatives across ocean, and decided to visit the country. A little before the trip, he asked me for tips on how to deal with the wild/venomous animals he would find, or something. Apparently he was preparing for a kind of Safari. :laughing:

As for Fernández, what a regrettable comment, to say the least! As a matter of fact, a worthy comment from his neighbor leader, if you know what I mean. :)

Duarte
14-06-21, 14:28
Duarte, "our" ancestors. Mine were from an Araucaria moist forest. :grin:
It brings me to a fun story, but an innocent one. Several years ago, this far Italian cousin of mine, a very nice guy by the way, learned that he has several relatives across ocean, and decided to visit the country. A little before the trip, he asked me for tips on how to deal with the wild/venomous animals he would find, or something. Apparently he was preparing for a kind of Safari. :laughing:

As for Fernández, what a regrettable comment, to say the least! As a matter of fact, a worthy comment from his neighbor leader, if you know what I mean. :)

:good_job::smile:

vharissis
15-06-21, 06:09
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
Info


1. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.321 - NS3b
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.333 - SZ36
Top 99 % match vs all users


3. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.516 - SZ43
Top 99 % match vs all users


4. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.351 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users


5. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.479 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users


6. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.22 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users


7. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.52 - R60
Top 98 % match vs all users


8. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.75 - R107
Top 99 % match vs all users


9. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.85 - I7424
Top 99 % match vs all users


10. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.32 - I3404
Top 97 % match vs all users


11. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.11 - CL36 ?
Top 97 % match vs all users


12. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.14 - Log04_wgs
Top 96 % match vs all users


13. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 96 % match vs all users


14. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.25 - Log02_wgs
Top 97 % match vs all users


15. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - I3348
Top 99 % match vs all users


16. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - SZ31
Top 99 % match vs all users


17. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.17 - Log02_cap
Top 98 % match vs all users


18. Central Roman
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.5 - CL121
Top 96 % match vs all users


19. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - R114
Top 97 % match vs all users


20. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.86 - SZ28 ?
Top 95 % match vs all users


21. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.1 - R1290
Top 97 % match vs all users


22. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.44 - I6491
Top 95 % match vs all users


23. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.71 - VK535
Top 97 % match vs all users


24. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.78 - R970
Top 97 % match vs all users


25. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.79 - SZ32 ?
Top 97 % match vs all users


23andMe results = 99.2% Greek, 0.8% Sardinian.

vharissis
15-06-21, 06:13
Your closest Ancient populations...
Roman
Roman (8.333)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (9.885)
Gaul + Roman (9.97)
Roman + Illyrian (10.44)
Roman Hispania + Roman (11.3)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (13.21)
Gallo-Roman (13.86)
Illyrian (15.89)
Roman Hispania (17.16)
Gaul (17.85)

Salento
24-06-21, 20:15
… CL36 as “Ancient Relative” …

God’s Kit = 23v5 :grin:

… one to one VS deep dive:


https://i.imgur.com/E0wR2CK.jpg

Iberian64
26-06-21, 19:43
Hello, here are results:
Gallo Roman - Visigoths - Roman Hispania -Illyrians - Al-Andalus.


Visigoth + Roman Hispania (8.387)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (8.844)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (10.37)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (10.86)
Al-Andalus + Gallo-Roman (11.37)
Gallo-Roman (11.8)
Illyrian (12.96)
Roman Hispania (13.26)
Al-Andalus (13.43)
Visigoth (14.65)

torzio
26-06-21, 22:17
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman

she has O ydna

https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
27-06-21, 01:08
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman

she has O ydna

https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)

maybe MTA is mistaken, … and there’s no y O Haplogroup in Ancient Italy:


https://i.imgur.com/Hc5NtCJ.jpg



https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf)

torzio
27-06-21, 01:45
maybe MTA is mistaken, … and there’s no y O Haplogroup in Ancient Italy:


https://i.imgur.com/Hc5NtCJ.jpg



https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf)


her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)

Pax Augusta
27-06-21, 12:09
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman

she has O ydna

https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)



We scrupulously check elsewhere as well, but MTA remains a little game with no credibility.







her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)



Where is the source that Naiman tribe of Kazakhs arrived in modern Hungaria in the Bronze age?

Wheal
27-06-21, 16:42
Neanderthal Q-Matching:

https://i.imgur.com/DodJWjw.gif

... it matches the Archaic Matches @ 0.9 cM

https://i.imgur.com/5SZzfLK.gif

Salento, I think that Q-score of 55 should be rather significant considering the Neanderthal sample would be so distant

Salento
27-06-21, 17:43
Salento, I think that Q-score of 55 should be rather significant considering the Neanderthal sample would be so distant

@Wheal … compare with the free one-to-one,
S vs Neanderthal ( … red settings) (my Raw-Data: 23v5) :

https://i.imgur.com/K9XiBGQ.jpg

Wheal
27-06-21, 19:34
Not sure what you want me to compare to

Salento
27-06-21, 21:47
Not sure what you want me to compare toI was just comparing Q-Matching vs One-to-One classic.

Salento
27-06-21, 22:02
her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)

… R1 is a Girl !!! (according to my PC)

https://i.imgur.com/ZxlHQcg.gif

torzio
28-06-21, 00:00
… R1 is a Girl !!! (according to my PC)

https://i.imgur.com/ZxlHQcg.gif


yes...she is

i wrote to them to see if this ydna represents her "father"

Salento
07-07-21, 06:52
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)

https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg

torzio
07-07-21, 08:42
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)

https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg



mine
https://i.postimg.cc/t4qfscqt/oetzi-pic.png (https://postimg.cc/PP7Kc28P)

Riverman
09-07-21, 11:07
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)

https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg

Its not reliable. MyTrueAncestry is not and a Gedmatch result with such a few SNPs isn't as well. I mean 100 SNP per cM, that just means the coverage of the Oetzi genome is bad, it doesn't prove your close relationship. I mean
Relic French King Louis XVI 1793 ADsample is no 3rd cousin of mine, even though, according to MTA, he shares as much as some proven 3rd cousins with me.

Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland 935 ADis 2nd cousin level with 194 cM. Its ridiculous.

Salento
11-07-21, 01:37
Its not reliable. MyTrueAncestry is not and a Gedmatch result with such a few SNPs isn't as well. I mean 100 SNP per cM, that just means the coverage of the Oetzi genome is bad, it doesn't prove your close relationship. I mean
Relic French King Louis XVI 1793 AD

sample is no 3rd cousin of mine, even though, according to MTA, he shares as much as some proven 3rd cousins with me.

Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland 935 AD

is 2nd cousin level with 194 cM. Its ridiculous.

… OK, though … I didn’t change the default GedMatch cM (7 cM), … so it’s not ridiculous, it could be basic shared ancestry, most Italians get a piece of Otzi DNA ancestry.

... from my NagGeo results: Italy & Southern Europe: 91% - The Iceman, Otzi, is a descendant from the first farmers to have arrived in the Italian peninsula, which may have harbored remnant hunter - gatherer populations during the Pleistocene ...
'Genographic Project'

kuzmosi
11-07-21, 05:13
Over the past year, I have collected raw data files and Ancient Sample Breakdown results from many countries.




I aggregated these based on placement on the ASB wheel. I did not deal with the percentage value or the deep dive results, only with the summary of the matches with the population genetically significant, archaic samples and the statistical data sets visible from them. I can show it in an Excel spreadsheet.

The order of archaic populations is my own subjective opinion about the role of the present-day population in the archaic composition of each ancient culture - more precisely, the archaic population definitions of mytrueancestry. The W column shows the total number of samples I have today from that population.

That is, if we look at the English today, I have 25 of these ASBs. Of these, 18 were Celtic in first place on the ASB wheel and 5 were Celtic in second place. 1 in fourth place and 1 in fifth. Column V shows how many present-day samples had no hits from that particular ancient population on the ASB round.




This is how the tables should be interpreted. I think the lines are especially interesting. If any of you may show your own ASB, I will add to that particular population database today and thus increase representativeness. I only made an excel spreadsheet for those populations today that have at least 10 samples. It is currently available in English, Bulgarian, Danish, French, Hungarian, German, Norwegian, Italian and Spanish. I am curious about your opinions. 12765

Salento
25-07-21, 23:30
the MTA ‘Neolithic Karsdorf Germany’ sample is actually Kars537

… his y Haplogroup is not “uncertain” … he’s a y T1a1…

… also the GedMatch Kars537 Karsdorf LBK (# LN4023841 and duplicate # JM7481206) imho are not him, maybe they uploaded the wrong sample.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/

https://i.imgur.com/YvTSNL5.gif

https://i.imgur.com/DV7IKCw.gif

https://i.imgur.com/3rIVTsF.jpg

torzio
26-07-21, 01:09
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


House/Phase: O / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: J1c6a
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
Age at Death: 25–30
Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
Sample: Skull
Read Pairs: 122,568,310
Mean Coverage: 2.96X
Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
Autosomal notes: High CHG
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)


he is this one
https://elifesciences.org/articles/36666


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271509568_Settlement_burials_at_the_Karsdorf_LBK_s ite_Saxony-Anhalt_Germany_-_biological_ties_and_residential_mobility

Salento
26-07-21, 03:08
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


House/Phase: O / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: J1c6a
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
Age at Death: 25–30
Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
Sample: Skull
Read Pairs: 122,568,310
Mean Coverage: 2.96X
Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
Autosomal notes: High CHG
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)


he is this one
https://elifesciences.org/articles/36666


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271509568_Settlement_burials_at_the_Karsdorf_LBK_s ite_Saxony-Anhalt_Germany_-_biological_ties_and_residential_mobility

… got Kars537 data from here:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA104588897

you know it’s him because one of the download URL has:
http:// sra. ebi. ac. … Kars_537_M.NA.NA …

torzio
26-07-21, 03:19
… got Kars537 data from here:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA104588897

you know it’s him because one of the download URL has:
http:// sra. ebi. ac. … Kars_537_M.NA.NA …


some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?

Salento
26-07-21, 03:32
some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?

I don’t know, though it seems coincidentally improbable, … I’ll look in to it … eventually :)

Salento
27-07-21, 05:57
some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?

… same haplogroups for the 2 x T Bulgarians.
X-DNA 1-to-1 (Tot. 32.5 cM - Larg. 22.7 cM) + …
GedM... :

# XV5136280 - I0700 Malak Preslavets Balkans MP Neolithic Bulgaria - y T1a1a - mt T2e

# CS6792606 - I1108 Malak Preslavets Balkans MP Neolithic Bulgaria - y T1a1a - mt T2e


https://i.imgur.com/AwdwMvc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JKJ2E0A.jpg

italian7
31-07-21, 21:29
Hello,

Just tried Mytrueancestry and got the results below:

ANCIENT
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.652)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.693)
Hellenic Roman + Thracian (6.876)
Roman + Hittite (6.994)
Hellenic Roman + Hittite (7.404)
Hellenic Roman (9.079)
Roman (12.93)
Ancient Greek (13.62)
Hittite (14.91)
Thracian (15.84)

MODERN

1. South_Italian (3.346)
2. East_Sicilian (5.201)
3. Central_Greek (5.305)
4. Greek_Crete (6.273)
5. Italian_Jewish (7.485)
6. Greek_Islands (7.606)
7. Ashkenazi (8.316)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (8.665)

I'm just wondering if it's common to get also top match with ancient relatives? or they are just trying to get people to upgrade?


Hellenic Roman Marcellino 400 ADYou are the #8 top match to this sample!
Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy 905 AD
You are the #10 top match to this sample!
Thanks!

Salento
01-08-21, 16:51
... testing SZ40 results from fastq file ... OK

also notice the three consecutive Collato Sabino plague victims, maybe they're related.

SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00

https://i.imgur.com/nW6QRAw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/48dhFzI.jpg

torzio
03-08-21, 20:43
If MTA still persist with sample R1 ( a female ) having ydna of O2a2 from east Kazak lands ..............then what is the value of MTA ????

Salento
04-08-21, 05:59
If MTA still persist with sample R1 ( a female ) having ydna of O2a2 from east Kazak lands ..............then what is the value of MTA ????

Lately I've been using it to compare downloaded / processed samples, … making sure they’re recognized as equivalents. (see post # 3655 above).

Ivorix
08-08-21, 22:32
:thinking:

torzio
15-08-21, 03:46
Lately I've been using it to compare downloaded / processed samples, … making sure they’re recognized as equivalents. (see post # 3655 above).


I just noticed they stated the foggia sample is Ydna L

Salento
15-08-21, 05:55
I just noticed they stated the foggia sample is Ydna L
I see VK538…

I decided that only the Foggia Vikings could have named America Vinland (Vino Land), obviously, they probably danced Pizzica with the Natives too :grin:

VK538 general Y haplogroup:

https://i.imgur.com/DPKO7CT.gif

torzio
26-08-21, 02:38
After today MTA upgrade......the samnite and etruscans finally added

my new order for bronze-age only


1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users



18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 97 % match vs all users



25. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.8 - TAQ011
Top 99 % match vs all users



29. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.33 - TAQ009
Top 99 % match vs all users



36. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - TAQ003
Top 98 % match vs all users



49. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.12 - ETR003
Top 98 % match vs all users



56. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.46 - ETR007
Top 94 % match vs all users

Salento
28-08-21, 19:21
… olfactory receptor gene,

… Androstenone (Pheromone produced by men)
- I’m Repulsed by it -

Guess that heterosexual women and gay men are Not repulsed by it.

https://i.imgur.com/tiOPRsn.jpg

Salento
30-08-21, 03:08
I see VK538…

I decided that only the Foggia Vikings could have named America Vinland (Vino Land), obviously, they probably danced Pizzica with the Natives too :grin:

VK538 general Y haplogroup:

https://i.imgur.com/DPKO7CT.gif

… in Salento, … Albano and Il Volo:

one of the Il Volo singer is surprised by the number of people with light eyes (kind of like his mother), … Albano says that the Normans passed by …(as in Sicily) :laughing:


https://youtu.be/tNACtu5jVyk

Duarte
02-09-21, 22:48
Salento: Thanks by BRC003_Dodecad_K12b:
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b,1.48,0.00,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.2 7,0.00,0.00,5.74,0.00,17.40,0.74




Distance to:
Duarte


9.78898360
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b









https://i.imgur.com/DXEIWHu.jpg

Salento
03-09-21, 01:46
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13

maybe you are close to some of them:



SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ36_Dod_Globe13,0.16,0.24,2.32,0.21,12.98,1.11,37 .70,0.44,0.00,17.47,27.38,0.00,0.00
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00

Duarte
03-09-21, 02:20
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13

maybe you are close to some of them:



SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00



SZ28. Nice Salento. Thanks :good_job:



Distance to:
Duarte3.txt


6.74748842
SZ28_Dod_Globe13


13.44012649
SZ1_Dod_Globe13


13.95866039
SZ32_Dod_Globe13


15.04413839
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13


15.60210563
SZ37_Dod_Globe13


15.62686789
SZ18_Dod_Globe13


16.34446084
SZ6_Dod_Globe13


16.51927662
SZ31_Dod_Globe13


17.91123949
SZ19_Dod_Globe13


21.34508843
SZ23_Dod_Globe13


22.41990187
SZ38_Dod_Globe13


23.32531457
SZ40_Dod_Globe13


23.84017408
SZ42_Dod_Globe13


24.02147997
SZ24_Dod_Globe13


25.44447484
SZ14_Dod_Globe13


26.40919915
SZ30_Dod_Globe13


28.29613578
SZ25_Dod_Globe13


28.58298270
SZ22_Dod_Globe13


29.63152038
SZ13_Dod_Globe13


30.31335184
SZ12_Dod_Globe13


31.02085750
SZ16_Dod_Globe13


31.24293200
SZ27_Dod_Globe13


32.71022623
SZ41_Dod_Globe13


32.75255257
AV1_Dod_Globe13


33.34630114
SZ9_Dod_Globe13





Distance to:
Duarte3.txt


6.37920675
12.80% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 87.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.68203952
97.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 2.80% SZ41_Dod_Globe13


6.72952763
1.40% SZ9_Dod_Globe13 + 98.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.73699153
98.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 1.80% SZ38_Dod_Globe13


6.74529298
0.60% SZ22_Dod_Globe13 + 99.40% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.74589805
0.80% SZ23_Dod_Globe13 + 99.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.74646910
0.40% SZ27_Dod_Globe13 + 99.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.74680660
0.40% SZ16_Dod_Globe13 + 99.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13


6.74739791
99.80% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 0.20% AV2_Dod_Globe13


7.67887506
52.80% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 47.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13


8.07190759
66.40% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 33.60% SZ41_Dod_Globe13


8.19371067
44.40% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 55.60% SZ32_Dod_Globe13


8.56751641
32.80% SZ9_Dod_Globe13 + 67.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13


8.81844426
57.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 43.00% SZ38_Dod_Globe13


8.96568043
55.60% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 44.40% SZ23_Dod_Globe13


9.16461154
61.40% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 38.60% SZ40_Dod_Globe13


9.26496049
34.20% SZ16_Dod_Globe13 + 65.80% SZ19_Dod_Globe13


9.30581130
59.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 40.80% SZ24_Dod_Globe13


9.32946591
63.80% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 36.20% SZ22_Dod_Globe13


9.47591320
66.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 33.80% SZ27_Dod_Globe13


9.65762521
35.00% SZ13_Dod_Globe13 + 65.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13


9.69668293
34.40% SZ12_Dod_Globe13 + 65.60% SZ19_Dod_Globe13


9.69918391
59.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 40.80% SZ42_Dod_Globe13


9.86227935
62.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 37.80% SZ30_Dod_Globe13


9.89490335
39.00% SZ14_Dod_Globe13 + 61.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13










https://i.imgur.com/RCjuoBx.jpg

Salento
03-09-21, 02:42
:cool-v: Duarte :)

my SZ28 is not as huge as yours, :thinking: :laughing::laughing::laughing:

… when I reload the Kit sometimes it doesn’t show up:

https://i.imgur.com/rTWGezi.jpg

Duarte
03-09-21, 02:54
:cool-v: Duarte :)

my SZ28 is not as huge as yours, :thinking: :laughing::laughing::laughing:

… when I reload the Kit sometimes it doesn’t show up:

https://i.imgur.com/rTWGezi.jpg

lol. :laughing:
We take the same ancestral woman, but matching with she in different autosomal chromosomes. Nice. :good_job: I don’t matching with she in the 14 chromosome :smile:

Salento
03-09-21, 03:16
lol. :laughing:
We take the same ancestral woman, but matching with she in different autosomal chromosomes. Nice. :good_job: I don’t matching with she in the 14 chromosome :smile:

She’s by herself on chrome 14, … guess she’s very different from all my other Deep Dives:

https://i.imgur.com/GLDxVSM.jpg

Duarte
03-09-21, 10:11
She’s by herself on chrome 14, … guess she’s very different from all my other Deep Dives:

https://i.imgur.com/GLDxVSM.jpg

Although she is by herself on chromosome 14, the concrete fact is that she is there.:good_job:

Duarte
04-09-21, 17:04
‘82 Etruscans’ among my top 125 MTA samples

14. Volterra Etruria Italy
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.56 - VOL001
18. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.85 - CSN003
20. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.92 - TAQ016
37. Etruscan League Veii
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - VEU001
49. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.3 - CSN009
51. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.36 - MAG001
52. Etruscan Perusia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - PRZ002
65. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.83 - CSN001
79. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - TAQ006
87. Etruscan Vatluna Twelve Cities
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.43 - VET003
92. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.6 - TAQ002
97. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.69 - CSN006
105. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.25 - TAQ005
107. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.34 - TAQ012
111. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - ETR007
120. Etruscan Populonia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.69 - POP001
122. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.76 - CSN005



https://i.imgur.com/umonYC3.png
https://i.imgur.com/PDGkvOY.png
https://i.imgur.com/o5taxdg.png
https://i.imgur.com/yH5iw1s.png
https://i.imgur.com/QKnq756.png
https://i.imgur.com/JVXkOR4.png
https://i.imgur.com/cupJOFc.png
https://i.imgur.com/FwIOSua.png

torzio
04-09-21, 18:54
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13

maybe you are close to some of them:



SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ36_Dod_Globe13,0.16,0.24,2.32,0.21,12.98,1.11,37 .70,0.44,0.00,17.47,27.38,0.00,0.00
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00






Target: TorzioK13





73.6

SZ1_Dod_Globe13







26.4
SZ40_Dod_Globe13

torzio
04-09-21, 19:07
new
https://i.postimg.cc/zBD0YXPr/full-admixture-MTA.png


mine above

my fathers numbers below

Illyrian = 33.9 %
Roman = 15.7 %
Roman Hispanian = 8.08 %
Gallo-Roman = 8.05 %
Gaul = 6.57 %
Frank = 6.54 %
Etruscan = 5.10 %
Samnite = 2.78 %
Visigoth = 2.78 %

others irrelevant
(https://postimg.cc/t1fhhyjS)

torzio
04-09-21, 19:18
Mine has not changed in regards to the order as per posts above

but my fathers has changed to

1 =
Scythian Outlier Hungary 550 BC DA195

2 =
Bronze Age Tepe Hissar Iran 2380 BC I2514
then we have AD times

Salento
05-09-21, 03:18
SZ36 Raw-Data

(comb, 23s, Ancestry, …)

… you’re welcome …

https://www.mediafire.com/file/7ylbk2d7rudhr0x/sz36.zip/file

GedM…: # QG2674693

https://i.imgur.com/RI5qx02.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H3wsntP.jpg

imho MTA SZ36 file is corrupted or not properly linked to all their apps, … my SZ36 raw-data is of high quality.

Salento
05-09-21, 04:02
Duarte is obviously close to the Etruscans..… wondering if the Etruscans could have been good Soccer players too :)

Duarte
05-09-21, 04:49
Duarte is obviously close to the Etruscans..… wondering if the Etruscans could have been good Soccer players too :)

Yes, Etruscans was good Soccer players. They played matches every day after the end of the works day. The classics of the time was Etruscan x Latin, Greek x Etruscan, Greek x Latin. But, after many championships, the Latins became the great champions, absorbing the Etruscan and Greek players. :thinking::laughing::smile:

Salento
05-09-21, 05:21
Yes, Etruscans was good Soccer players. They played matches every day after the end of the works day. The classics of the time was Etruscan x Latin, Greek x Etruscan, Greek x Latin. But, after many championships, the Latins became the great champions, absorbing the Etruscan and Greek players. :thinking::laughing::smile:

In my mind, … I'm watching the game Lusitanic vs Messapii … and guess who just scored … :laughing:

Duarte
05-09-21, 16:19
In my mind, … I'm watching the game Lusitanic vs Messapii … and guess who just scored … :laughing:

:thinking::shocked: :laughing::laughing:

Salento
08-09-21, 01:30
Louis XVI

… he had congenital insensitivity to pain, … excellent for neck trauma :grin:

some Louis XVI ancient relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/PTSaKMR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YrqiJHb.jpg

Duarte
08-09-21, 02:40
Louis XVI

… he had congenital insensitivity to pain, … excellent for neck trauma :grin:

some Louis XVI ancient relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/PTSaKMR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YrqiJHb.jpg

:good_job:

Poor King Louis.:sad-2:
I have a certain tendency to take ‘Deep Dive’ with people who have been beheaded. :confused2:
I hope this is not a sign of ill omen. :laughing:

https://i.imgur.com/dmwr1QK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pDCjMTW.jpg

Salento
08-09-21, 03:10
:good_job:

Poor King Louis.:sad-2:
I have a certain tendency to take ‘Deep Dive’ with people who have been beheaded. :confused2:
I hope this is not a sign of ill omen. :laughing:

https://i.imgur.com/dmwr1QK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pDCjMTW.jpg

You’ll be fine..don’t lose your head thinking about it :smile:

bar don
08-09-21, 03:25
thank you for this thread, I did not know if to trust mytrueancestry.

I see some genune italian in here..and very glad to.
I match too much to make sense of it.. I only have an italian grandma.

1. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.742 - CL57
Top 100 % match vs all users


2. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.445 - I3313B
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.473 - I3313C
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.507 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.654 - CL63
Top 97 % match vs all users

Duarte
08-09-21, 03:35
thank you for this thread, I did not know if to trust mytrueancestry.

I see some genune italian in here..and very glad to.
I match too much to make sense of it.. I only have an italian grandma.

1. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.742 - CL57
Top 100 % match vs all users


2. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.445 - I3313B
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.473 - I3313C
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.507 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.654 - CL63
Top 97 % match vs all users

Nice :good_job:

Duarte
08-09-21, 03:36
You’ll be fine..don’t lose your head thinking about it :smile:

lol:laughing:

Salento
08-09-21, 06:34
MTA Louis XVI sample quality is 69%, mine's about 85% (see gaps on deep dive)

… and on mine the King shift less to the West and a bit more East, … fwiw:

https://i.imgur.com/DX4JQJh.jpg


Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13 84.49%



Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.28,12.52,0. 00,38.25,0.46,0.00,19.43,28.77,0.00,0.00



Louis_XVI_Dodecad_K12b 84.42%



Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b,9.00,0.00,1.10,0.00,34.58,20.61 ,0.31,0.46,8.50,0.00,25.44,0.00



King vs S
https://i.imgur.com/EZjPNKr.jpg

Duarte
08-09-21, 17:36
MTA Louis XVI sample quality is 69%, mine's about 85% (see gaps on deep dive)

… and on mine the King shift less to the West and a bit more East, … fwiw:

https://i.imgur.com/DX4JQJh.jpg


Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13 84.49%



Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.28,12.52,0. 00,38.25,0.46,0.00,19.43,28.77,0.00,0.00



Louis_XVI_Dodecad_K12b 84.42%



Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b,9.00,0.00,1.10,0.00,34.58,20.61 ,0.31,0.46,8.50,0.00,25.44,0.00



King vs S
https://i.imgur.com/EZjPNKr.jpg
:good_job:

Mine:

MTA:
https://i.imgur.com/PiM3tER.jpg
Dod Global 13:



Distance to:
Duarte


15.53192519
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13



Dod K12b


Distance to:
Duarte


17.45157013
Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b



Gedmatch one to one:

No shared DNA segments found

520690 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.302.
CPU time used: 0.051.

Ver: May 7 2021 01 21 15 (tel:7 2021 01 21 15)

:shocked::grin::laughing:

Salento
12-09-21, 06:00
… top Iron-Age and Medieval-Age:

https://i.imgur.com/btG9AhF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8mYWmir.jpg

Duarte
12-09-21, 19:55
My MTA “Rock of Ages”

https://i.imgur.com/BA6us6u.png

Salento
13-09-21, 05:03
… new (maybe temp) trophies: Etruria and Sannio:
https://i.imgur.com/FUfiOwB.jpg

torzio
13-09-21, 18:46
I3313 is noted Dalmatian ..............but to others

Etruscan-Illyrian_1200BCE_HRV_IA_I3313 - This is pre-Roman Italian - more like North Italian?
Liburnian from the southern edge of Liburnia, born in Skradin on the Krka river. The Liburnians were similar to Etruscans and old Italic people.

the area was Liburnian in the late bronze-age to mid iron-age

to me ............Liburnians and Dalmatians should be very close genetically

The Liburnian connection with Etruscan seems to be a result of the Liburnian colony in Picene lands ( more likely North-Picene )

torzio
13-09-21, 18:48
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users





17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users




18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users

Salento
14-09-21, 03:08
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users





17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users




18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users

.. obviously they have 3 different sources of the same sample and they chose not to combine them.

Salento
15-09-21, 04:06
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users

17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users

18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users

my I3313 deep dive, still high :)

I get two Log02 samples, :thinking: I3313 and Log02 DNA has multiple personalities disorder :grin:


https://i.imgur.com/gqNQubF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nu3q5C5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xEAT5ZZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Aie8BXN.jpg

Duarte
15-09-21, 04:55
I have these MTA matches with these Bronze Age Dalmatians.

https://i.imgur.com/muD4BQe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h1x8WVv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oGoA8nt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T1OX67n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1gMb64U.jpg

But the match that, for now, I think the most coolest is this ‘Deep Dive’ with an Iranian.

https://i.imgur.com/MEPiHqv.jpg

Salento
15-09-21, 05:05
:good_job: Duarte, … technically the three I3313 samples count as one :)

Duarte
15-09-21, 05:14
:good_job: Duarte, … technically the three I3313 samples count as one :)

:good_job:
Thank you Salento.

Salento
15-09-21, 05:27
:good_job:
Thank you Salento.

I get a deep dive with I4332 too, but only once, lol

https://i.imgur.com/f099BoS.jpg

Duarte
15-09-21, 05:55
I get a deep dive with I4332 too, but only once, lol

https://i.imgur.com/f099BoS.jpg

:embarassed::good_job::laughing:

torzio
15-09-21, 06:56
have 14332 twice

52. Veliki Vanik Croatia Bronze Age
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.16 - I4332b
Top 94 % match vs all users





56. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - I4332
Top 95 % match vs all users


different names for same sample

olivand
15-09-21, 13:08
thanks - very useful comments here on these 'Illyrian' samples!

Duarte
15-09-21, 16:40
Hi Torzio:good_job:.
The same thing happens to me too.

https://i.imgur.com/wYMoTbh.jpg

Duarte
15-09-21, 16:43
thanks - very useful comments here on these 'Illyrian' samples!

You’re welcome Olivand:good_job:

torzio
23-09-21, 18:20
I ran results from 3000BC until 1800BC and they are below .......................I was told only the samples connected with a red line is my "matches"

these results do not appear if you run this as the default setting

https://i.postimg.cc/HWhg0xh5/1900bc.png (https://postimg.cc/jCPmtsKd)

Salento
23-09-21, 21:21
I ran results from 3000BC until 1800BC and they are below .......................I was told only the samples connected with a red line is my "matches"

these results do not appear if you run this as the default setting

https://i.postimg.cc/HWhg0xh5/1900bc.png (https://postimg.cc/jCPmtsKd)

… the yellow lines are your deep dive (cM) matches (your ancient relatives)!
the rest are just distance matches.

torzio
05-10-21, 17:45
only change is closest ancient populations ..............samnites included for first time
Roman + Illyrian (4.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Samnite (6.449)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Gallo-Roman (7.192)
Illyrian (8.808)
Roman (9.782)
Gaul (12.22)
Samnite (12.39)


and this below added to neolitihic age

20. Bronze Age Bulgaria
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.17 - I2165

torzio
05-10-21, 17:48
I2165, Bronze Age, 3020-2895 calBCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I2165
mtDNA: T2f
Y-DNA: I2a2a1b1b

Salento
06-10-21, 05:16
only change is closest ancient populations ..............samnites included for first time
Roman + Illyrian (4.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Samnite (6.449)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Gallo-Roman (7.192)
Illyrian (8.808)
Roman (9.782)
Gaul (12.22)
Samnite (12.39)


and this below added to neolitihic age

20. Bronze Age Bulgaria
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.17 - I2165

I’m close to a couple of Venosa / Samnite, they’re with the Iron-Age samples, but we know they’re from about 700 AD, I think they're close to some Foggia VK and Medieval Rs, and my top Medievals are all Italian :)

https://i.imgur.com/5g6HDkt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LZ7tNl7.jpg

torzio
06-10-21, 17:46
I’m close to a couple of Venosa / Samnite, they’re with the Iron-Age samples, but we know they’re from about 700 AD, I think they're close to some Foggia VK and Medieval Rs, and my top Medievals are all Italian :)

https://i.imgur.com/5g6HDkt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LZ7tNl7.jpg


they only gave me one samnite match


32. Ancient Venosa Samnite
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.39 - VEN016
Top 99 % match vs all users

Salento
06-10-21, 19:39
they only gave me one samnite match
32. Ancient Venosa Samnite
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.39 - VEN016
Top 99 % match vs all users

… VEN016 - third to last:
(if I add the Foggia VK, VEN016 becomes the last)

https://i.imgur.com/cmWC5jd.gif

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41861-The-origin-and-legacy-of-the-Etruscans-through-a-2000-year-archeogenomic-time-transec?p=631943&viewfull=1#post631943

matty74
08-10-21, 06:45
Mine seem to be all over the place. Classic northern euro hybrid

Viking + Celt (2.149)
Viking Danish + Vandal (3.46)
Celt + Saxon (3.622)
Celt + Vandal (3.737)
Viking + Saxon (3.995)
Celt (5.432)
Vandal (5.617)
Saxon (5.708)
Viking Danish (6.759)
Viking (7.302)

matty74
08-10-21, 07:09
Neolithic Age

12950

matty74
08-10-21, 07:12
Early Bronze Age

12952

matty74
08-10-21, 07:14
Late Bronze Age

12954

matty74
08-10-21, 07:17
Iron Age

12956

matty74
08-10-21, 07:18
Roman Age

12958

matty74
08-10-21, 07:21
Dark Ages

12960

matty74
08-10-21, 07:22
Medieval Age

12962

matty74
08-10-21, 07:23
Early Modern Period

12964

Salento
09-10-21, 03:57
IA timelapse x2 maps:

Latins, Sanniti, Etruria:
https://i.imgur.com/xkXqk2c.jpg


Romans
https://i.imgur.com/M5PvovL.jpg

Salento
09-10-21, 04:41
https://i.imgur.com/siQupHX.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/MTLpTcd.jpg

mongrel
12-10-21, 10:58
Why are all (but one) my DNA samples and Deep Dive results given as being R1b1a.... but I'm a confirmed E1b1b1a1b1a? The only example that MTA can provide that actually matches is "Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica"

I would have expected there to have been no matches if the haplogroups don't match.? Maybe genetics works differently?

Or are MTA just padding out the results to make it look like I'm actually getting something after paying my money?

Salento
13-10-21, 00:42
Why are all (but one) my DNA samples and Deep Dive results given as being R1b1a.... but I'm a confirmed E1b1b1a1b1a? The only example that MTA can provide that actually matches is "Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica"

I would have expected there to have been no matches if the haplogroups don't match.? Maybe genetics works differently?

Or are MTA just padding out the results to make it look like I'm actually getting something after paying my money?

Haplogroups don’t necessarily determine your matches and ethnicity.

Your male line: your Father, his Father and so on have Mothers too, … their Fathers could have a different Y Haplogroup than your male line.

Humans have 23 pair of chromosomes (46),
… of the first 22 pairs (autosomes) you get one chromosome from each Parent,
… than comes the 23rd, the sex chromosome, as male you get only one X chromosome from your Mother, and the Y chromosome from your Father (your Y Haplogroup,) females don’t get the Y chr… Females get the X pair (one X from each parent),

… mtDNA is not a chromosome, but it determines female Haplogroups.

mongrel
13-10-21, 10:55
Thanks for this reply Salento.

I think this more of my misunderstanding of what MTA are providing - of course, my mother's brother is still my relative even if he does have a different haplogroup from his father. And the autosomal data, by definition, goes beyond the simple male line Y-DNA.

And by using the autosomal data, MTA is, of course, going to show these "non-direct" male relatives - yes?

I think I need to have a 'genealogical genetics' 101!

Salento
14-10-21, 01:59
Thanks for this reply Salento.

I think this more of my misunderstanding of what MTA are providing - of course, my mother's brother is still my relative even if he does have a different haplogroup from his father. And the autosomal data, by definition, goes beyond the simple male line Y-DNA.

And by using the autosomal data, MTA is, of course, going to show these "non-direct" male relatives - yes?


I think I need to have a 'genealogical genetics' 101!

Generally, the autosomal bulk comes from chromosomes 1 to 22.

Consider Haplogroups only as Indelible Legacy IDs, … Ancient Marks burned in the DNA, a Tribal Tattoo, …

Nicu
14-10-21, 21:20
My background is mostly (southwestern) Romanian with some northern Greek and Aromanian Vlach, as well as a bit of northern Italian.

https://i.imgur.com/O1seIU8.png

https://i.imgur.com/9AzRgPA.png
https://i.imgur.com/oxSqato.png
https://i.imgur.com/c87Cplx.png
https://i.imgur.com/ySoecIc.png
My results were a combination of Byzantine and Gaulish, oddly enough. Not sure how that came up. Also got Gallo-Romans and such as high on my list. The weird thing is even though I'm almost half Greek I see the Ancient Greek is in last place on the pie chart haha... how does that make sense? The main result said Byzantine but on the chart it was further down the list. So what do each of these things truly represent?

Is Byzantine really one ethnicity though? Seems to be a lot of that from Italy, even though I'm only like an eighth.

Also, were those Hellenic skeletons in India or the Himalayas modern rather than ancient?

How accurate are these things, and is it worth it to pay to get deeper analysis and more data? Or is it just some scheme to make money off people because they might like to hear that they are connected to certain people or peoples? I mean it said I was decently closely related to King Louis XIV of France, the Sun King, as well as Marat and a few others somehow haha.

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Well I re-did it after a few months and the results changed to make a bit more sense, with Illyrians in second place:

https://i.imgur.com/jn7bgOV.jpg

Rita_SS
16-10-21, 03:05
I have learned from Mytrueancestry that my ancestors had discovered America before Columbus... Erik the Red ! Is not that funny?