Haplogroup I in southern Spain

[Haganus]

I understand that the haplogroup I was very important for the arise of the
Germanic tribes in south Scandinavia, Denmark and north Germany.
But where is the origin of haplogroup I? Did the ancestors of haplogroup I
live in the south of France/Spain or in the Balkan? Who can give me more
information about its origin?

 

[how yes no 2]

I understand that the haplogroup I was very important for the arise of the
Germanic tribes in south Scandinavia, Denmark and north Germany.
But where is the origin of haplogroup I? Did the ancestors of haplogroup I
live in the south of France/Spain or in the Balkan? Who can give me more
information about its origin?

they most likely came from Iran, passing through Caucasus... same way that Sarmatians followed later in history...
this is even preserved in traditions of germanic people who called themselves aryan, which means nothing more than iranian...question is when did this migration took place, was it in several unrelated waves, and what were places in Europe that were initially settled by haplogroup I.. historic memory of aryan origin pinpoints to rather recent expansion, absence of some subgroups of I in Asia and Iran pinpoints to rather very very long lasting settlement in Europe.. so it is hard to say...
in fact, iran was a place from which most euroasian haplogroups came to where they are now...

even though the ancient DNA of mummy from corded ware cultures shows R1a, I would not exclude possibility of haplogroup I (with some R1a) being the Corded ware expansion...
e.g. look at this diagrams of supposed distribution of I subgroups around 100 AD and compare it with area of Corded ware expansion...

I would say it is extremely high correlation...

 

[Haganus]

Haplgroup I has nothing to do with the Caucasus or Iran.
Haplogroup I is a typical European haplogroup which is not
present outside of Europe. Maybe the haplogroup I has its
origin in the Cro-Magnon/Aurignac tribes who lived during the
Ice-Age in southwest France. Who can give me more information
about the haplogroup I?

 

[how yes no 2]

Haplgroup I has nothing to do with the Caucasus or Iran.
Haplogroup I is a typical European haplogroup which is not
present outside of Europe. Maybe the haplogroup I has its
origin in the Cro-Magnon/Aurignac tribes who lived during the
Ice-Age in southwest France. Who can give me more information
about the haplogroup I?

right... everyone believes what he wants to believe
but there were also measurements in Asia that shows presence of haplogrup I there

http://sites.google.com/site/thelineagesofasia/
I would say this distribution shows passage of I from areas bellow Black sea and bellow Caspian sea to Europe through Caucasus. distribution indicates that the the passage is made next to the shores of Caspian sea which is logical route since east of it is mountain range...

furthermore, based on shape of its current distribution, and assuming general direction of movement towards north, I would dare to guess that perhaps the spread towards north started from iranian province of Kerman from where its carriers moved towards north, north-east, north-west and south-east...

Historical documents refer to Kerman as "Karmania", "Kermania", "Germania" and "Žermanya", which means bravery and combat. Geographers have recorded Kerman's ancient name as "Go'asheer" (Bardesheer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerman_province

 

[LeBrok]

For me it looks more like they were fishing communities around Caspian Sea with high I content. The centres in south Kazakhstan and Pakistan look like the I got hitchhiked with Iranians/Aryans tribes expending south.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Haplgroup I has nothing to do with the Caucasus or Iran.
Haplogroup I is a typical European haplogroup which is not
present outside of Europe. Maybe the haplogroup I has its
origin in the Cro-Magnon/Aurignac tribes who lived during the
Ice-Age in southwest France. Who can give me more information
about the haplogroup I?

It's well agreed that Haplogroup I originated in the region of the Caucasus or somewhat further east. Where do you get the notion that it arose in Western Europe?

 

[how yes no 2]

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http://sites.google.com/site/thelineagesofasia/
...
furthermore, based on shape of its current distribution, and assuming general direction of movement towards north, I would dare to guess that perhaps the spread towards north started from iranian province of Kerman from where its carriers moved towards north, north-east, north-west and south-east...

Historical documents refer to Kerman as "Karmania", "Kermania", "Germania" and "Žermanya", which means bravery and combat. Geographers have recorded Kerman's ancient name as "Go'asheer" (Bardesheer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerman_province

why do Germans talk about Aryans? Maybe usage of the name Aria for more or less the same part of Iran that was called Kerman/Germania have stg. to do with it :innocent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greco-BactrianKingdomMap.jpg

The term Aryan derives from the Sanskrit word (ā́rya) आर्य (meaning:Noble), which derived from arya, the original Indo-Iranian autonym. Also, the word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryan[17] (see also Iranian peoples).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryanism#Aryanism