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Do Italians look more like Spaniards/Portuguese, or Greeks?

Do Italians look like Iberians or Greeks?

  • Northerners more Iberian, southerners more Greek

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • Iberian

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Greek

    Votes: 6 37.5%

  • Total voters
    16
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Gypsies are not autochthonous Spaniards. You just love to post photos of atypical Spaniards, don't you Mex? Mainstream Spaniards look like the group examples I posted. Enough said.
 
Atypical? Hahaha. Poor man. Yes, typical spanish as blonde as the pictures you posted, hahaha. Do you think people are retarded?

Big Brother 6. http://www.telecinco.es/granhermano/photogallery/6362/photo1.shtml

Asturias
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Andalucia
Big Brother 6 andalucia.jpg

Madrid
Big brother 6 madrid.jpg

Salamanca
Salamanca.jpg

Asturias
Asturias.jpg
 
GROUP pictures please. I've been all over Spain and these people are atypical for Spaniards. So, have you figured out where you are from? First it was Ourense then A Coruna then England. I'm afraid you have some real issues.

BTW, most of the Gran Hermano actors from the site you linked are mainstream looking for Spain. Also, some of your latest pictures fall within the realm of mainstream, not N. African looking.
 
And now famous spanish actors in USA. Hollywood producers must be stupid, because being the typical blond Spanish they give them Hispanics roles instead of Russians, Czechs and Norwegians.
Paz Vega, Antonio Banderas, Penelope Cruz.


Paz Vega.jpgAntonio Banderas.jpgPenelope.jpg

Sara Montiel. She, very attractive, worked in Hollywood in the 50's. He played a Mexican Indian, lol.
sara_montiel.jpg
 
What blond? I posted only group pictures. Let's see you do the same, Mex. And no gypsies, please.
 
What blond? I posted only group pictures. Let's see you do the same, Mex. And no gypsies, please.

The problem with you is that most of the photos I have posted are not Gypsies, hahaha. Sorry, but your idealized Spain exists only in your fantasies. From USA you have lost sight of what Spain is.

By the way, Antonio Banderas is not gypsy, he is the typical andaluz (andalusian) :).
 
The problem with you is that most of the photos I have posted are not Gypsies, hahaha. Sorry, but your idealized Spain exists only in your fantasies. From USA you have lost sight of what Spain is.

By the way, Antonio Banderas is not gypsy, he is the typical andaluz (andalusian) :).

The person who is fantasizing is YOU. :laughing: I see you posted a picture of Banderas with his Mexican make-up on.
 
The person who is fantasizing is YOU. :laughing: I see you posted a picture of Banderas with his Mexican make-up on.


Yes, he wears a mexican mask in that photo, :laughing:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)

And the extent of haplogroup E-M81 subclade E from Berber population to northern Spain up is an international conspiracy to deny to Spain the right to be a Nordic people 100%. You are completely fool, but if it makes you happy...
I know that if I gave you the reason then you'd stay relaxed, but I can not lie, and science either. I feel for you. You have a serious self esteem problem. It must be terrible for you that the Spanish have a haplogroup of North African origin. That's your problem, not mine.
 
Only group pictures are relevant. Enjoy. :laughing:
 
so according the result North italians looks like frenceh who llok like iberians, who look N fricans, who look like eGYPTIANS, who look like Greeks who look like South Italians,

the circle is closed, Noth Italians look like southern Italians, :grin:
 
Nobody says spaniards are nordic. But neither north-african like you pretend. In the study that I presented you the E-M81 was more frequent in French people than spaniards.
 
@ Ferreira

Did you forget your meds today? No one said that Spaniards are Nordic. :laughing: They are majority Atlantic. You seem to have a rather fertile imagination.
 
hmmm...Now that you talk about haplogroup E-M81, in this study the French had more than Spaniards, even more than Andalusians :

Cruciani et al. 2004 :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181964/?tool=pmcentrez

Yes , it's true. In this resumen from Wiki, there are E-M81 too in France, but in very localized areas, mainly Paris, a city that has hosted emigration for centuries. In rest of Europe is rare, being more habitual E-M78.

In Europe, E-M81 is found everywhere but mostly in the Iberian Peninsula, where unlike in the rest of Europe[Note 6] it is more common than E-M78, with an average frequency of 4-5.6%. Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in Extremadura and South Portugal, 9% in Galicia, 10% in Western Andalusia and Northwest Castile and 9% to 17% in Cantabria.[18][29][30][31][32] The highest frequencies of this clade found so far in Europe were observed in the Pasiegos from Cantabria, ranging from 18% (8/45)[32] to 41% (23/56).[2] An average frequency of 8.28% (54/652) has also been reported in the Spanish Canary Islands with frequencies over 10% in the three largest islands of Tenerife (10.68%), Gran Canaria (11.54%) and Fuerteventura (13.33%).[33]
E-M81 is also found in France,[2] 2.70 % (15/555) overall with frequencies surpassing 5% in Auvergne (5/89) and Île-de-France (5/91),[34][35] in Sicily (approximately 2% overall, but up to 7% in Piazza Armerina),[36] and in slightly lower frequencies in continental Italy (especially near Lucera)[31] possibly due to ancient migrations during the Islamic, Roman, and Carthaginian empires.
As a result of its old world distribution, this sub-clade is found throughout Latin America, for example 6.1% in Cuba,[37] 5.4% in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro), [Note 7] and among Hispanic men from California and Hawaii 2.4%.[38]
In smaller numbers, E-M81 men can be found in areas in contact with the Maghreb, both around the Sahara, in places like Sudan, and around the Mediterranean in places like Lebanon, Turkey, and amongst Sephardic Jews.

Porcentages naturally vary from one study to another, and the smaller the sample is more variation will be.

But two facts are proved: the origin of the E-M81 is Berber and Spain and Portugal are the countries of Europe where E-M81 is the most common. It could not be otherwise, since both countries have been closely connected with North Africa.
 
But these are haplogroup frequencies, not admixture. The admixture obtained with autosomal markers, shows no more than 2-3 % of berberid admixture.
 
Yes, he wears a mexican mask in that photo, :laughing:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)

And the extent of haplogroup E-M81 subclade E from Berber population to northern Spain up is an international conspiracy to deny to Spain the right to be a Nordic people 100%. You are completely fool, but if it makes you happy...
I know that if I gave you the reason then you'd stay relaxed, but I can not lie, and science either. I feel for you. You have a serious self esteem problem. It must be terrible for you that the Spanish have a haplogroup of North African origin. That's your problem, not mine.

I'm perfectly happy with who and what I am, thank you.

Sorry, but the real fool here is you - trying to paint Spaniards as, in base, N. African. You seem to have a pathological propensity for mendacious behavior.
 
Obviously this is a terrible thing for many Spaniards, although not all are that of xenophobes. Some of my compatriots dread the idea of ​​comun genetic with North Africa (even in small percentage). Sorry for you if you are so closed minded, but genetics does not deceive.

Y_Hap_EM-81.png

In Spain there have been many invasions of peoples from other places, but the idea that only Europeans left genetic mark, while non-Europeans left without not footprint is laughable. I'm sure many Europeans will laugh as I laugh. Reveals a complex of inferiority.
 
Yes , it's true. In this resumen from Wiki, there are E-M81 too in France, but in very localized areas, mainly Paris, a city that has hosted emigration for centuries. In rest of Europe is rare, being more habitual E-M78.

In Europe, E-M81 is found everywhere but mostly in the Iberian Peninsula, where unlike in the rest of Europe[Note 6] it is more common than E-M78, with an average frequency of 4-5.6%. Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in Extremadura and South Portugal, 9% in Galicia, 10% in Western Andalusia and Northwest Castile and 9% to 17% in Cantabria.[18][29][30][31][32] The highest frequencies of this clade found so far in Europe were observed in the Pasiegos from Cantabria, ranging from 18% (8/45)[32] to 41% (23/56).[2] An average frequency of 8.28% (54/652) has also been reported in the Spanish Canary Islands with frequencies over 10% in the three largest islands of Tenerife (10.68%), Gran Canaria (11.54%) and Fuerteventura (13.33%).[33]
E-M81 is also found in France,[2] 2.70 % (15/555) overall with frequencies surpassing 5% in Auvergne (5/89) and Île-de-France (5/91),[34][35] in Sicily (approximately 2% overall, but up to 7% in Piazza Armerina),[36] and in slightly lower frequencies in continental Italy (especially near Lucera)[31] possibly due to ancient migrations during the Islamic, Roman, and Carthaginian empires.
As a result of its old world distribution, this sub-clade is found throughout Latin America, for example 6.1% in Cuba,[37] 5.4% in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro), [Note 7] and among Hispanic men from California and Hawaii 2.4%.[38]
In smaller numbers, E-M81 men can be found in areas in contact with the Maghreb, both around the Sahara, in places like Sudan, and around the Mediterranean in places like Lebanon, Turkey, and amongst Sephardic Jews.

Porcentages naturally vary from one study to another, and the smaller the sample is more variation will be.

But two facts are proved: the origin of the E-M81 is Berber and Spain and Portugal are the countries of Europe where E-M81 is the most common. It could not be otherwise, since both countries have been closely connected with North Africa.

More highly selective material from WIKI. Get this through your head; AUTOSOMAL DNA is what determines phenotype not haplogroup subclades.
 
More highly selective material from WIKI. Get this through your head; AUTOSOMAL DNA is what determines phenotype not haplogroup subclades.


If you do not believe in genetics, in particular Y-DNA (only because the results are not what you expected) what do you do in this forum where genetics is accepted as a universal science? It's ridiculous what you're doing.
 
Obviously this is a terrible thing for many Spaniards, although not all are that of xenophobes. Some of my compatriots dread the idea of ​​comun genetic with North Africa (even in small percentage). Sorry for you if you are so closed minded, but genetics does not deceive.

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In Spain there have been many invasions of peoples from other places, but the idea that only Europeans left genetic mark, while non-Europeans left without not footprint is laughable. I'm sure many Europeans will laugh as I laugh. Reveals a complex of inferiority.

More selective material from that great information source, WIKI.:laughing: The genomic composition of Iberia's (Spain, Portugal and Andorra) full heritage is overwhelmingly European (~ 88%). There are some minor NW African and W. and SW Asian components as well. The latter percentages are minor and far less than many other European peoples. Finito!

Look, we have seen this act before. :bored: Just another charlatan trying to create a false picture of certain population groups. Quite sad...
 
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