Mzungu mchagga
aimless wanderer
Yes, it is a woman's free choice to decide whether she wants to fully cover her body and face, or to get insulted, beaten, raped and defamed by her relatives... The choice is her's!
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This is a really good demonstration of the evolution of the women's emancipation! The clothes are the best exemples...
@LeBrok:
You didn't answer my comments...
This is freedom???
This is descrimination!!!
And the full-face veil is the "public" symbol of the muslims extremists inequalities...
Try to watch "Persepolis"...
And this is an archeological reconstruction of clothes that were worn in by Baltic tribes in I-IV AD. Again the hair is covered ... and this is not the influence of Christianity which will come to these part of the world after another 1000 years.
Sorry LeBrok, I got you confused with Antigone...:useless:Hehe, I've answered your comment before you had joined Eupedia
It is however a new topic…
So my vote regarding burkas – well, even having in mind all the right reasons that it is discrimination against women, let them be as they are, banning won’t really help those woman, so far their own communities are not accepting more flexible approaches.
Oddly, non-Muslim women live under social pressure to not wear a burka. That's a restriction on their freedom in the same sense. They could even get beaten for wearing a burka.
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I wish you could elaborate on this point as I'm not familiar with even one case.
And to compare apples to apples, try finding an "honor" killing for wearing burka in western countries. Heck, in the whole world.
On the other hand we can easily find contrary examples, "honor" killings for not wearing burka.
I have chosen.
For the sake of conclusion, show me one man wearing full face covering all the time in public places. Show me one man, and I'll believe it's a choice.
If it comes to tradition and religion, as in burka situation, you will find same amount of pressure from females in muslim families as from men. When your mother wears burka, and your mother in law, and your sisters, they will be the ones to give you most pressure to wear it too. It's a tradition! They don't even need to know or care that this tradition was started by men to protect their properties. It's a tradition now, with lots of pressure from women too.Good post Sparkey! Whether a women should or shouldn't wear a burqa, it is still just a bunch of men telling females what to do. Each as bad as the other, ironic isn't it?
I wish you could elaborate on this point as I'm not familiar with even one case.
And to compare apples to apples, try finding an "honor" killing for wearing burka in western countries. Heck, in the whole world.
On the other hand we can easily find contrary examples, "honor" killings for not wearing burka.
For the sake of conclusion, show me one man wearing full face covering all the time in public places. Show me one man, and I'll believe it's a choice.
If it comes to tradition and religion, as in burka situation, you will find same amount of pressure from females in muslim families as from men. When your mother wears burka, and your mother in law, and your sisters, they will be the ones to give you most pressure to wear it too. It's a tradition! They don't even need to know or care that this tradition was started by men to protect their properties. It's a tradition now, with lots of pressure from women too.
The family pressure or group pressure exists in western world too. We can't escape it, it's a human condition. The best example is fashion. If your friends wear mini skirts and you decide to wear burka, even for fun on daily bases, you'll be kicked out from the group. No question about this.
But, unlike in muslim fundamentalists groups, nobody will kill you or beat you up for this.
As I stated before: The problem/situation is not a problem, the scale/intensity of a problem is a problem.
I disagree, the fact that threats exist is the problem, and it is a problem regardless of scale/intensity. Besides, very few Muslims in Western countries wear burkas, anyway.
Lebrok just for fun I know some men wearing Burcas,
Do you see any difference with your photo at #98
Summing it up, many things are just annoyances or mere curiosities in single instances, but when they become rampant and ubiquitous they create problems for the whole society. Therefore a real problem is in scale of a problem/issue.
Now the trick is to notice a growing problem, name it and define, and act in time before it will cripple a society.
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