Immigration Islamic clouds are gathering over the EU

[Kollion]

Supporting pseudo democrats in Russia, whom for some reasons we used to call 'liberals' here in Europe, ones again we risk to drop the same brick. Should I especially note the fact that in all the recently died down muslim revolutions the greatest role had been played on radical Islamic extremists' behalf exactly?? Well, hope it is needless to remind you about the support we personally gave to the islamic revolutionists, as well.... So as a result now we can see the following: islamists are in power in Egypt, islamists are in power in Tunisia, Libyan power is also currently preoccupied by islamists. Now look, in case of the same political shake in Russia, the countenanced by the so-called Russian 'liberal' opposition Caucasian and other followers of radical Islam will undoubtedly strengthen their positions as well. Practically Europe will turn to be encircled - uncontrolled muslim terrorist organizations will be all around us. Like the perspective? What next? Considering the rate of islamic extremism mood over Europe, there is a high risk that the disease will spread all over the EU. Aren't we gigging our own grave?

 

[LeBrok]

I guess the same was said by our pagan ancestors when christianity was taking over the Europe.

Having said that, I'm not a fun of Islamic extremism either. Christian extremism scares me too.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Kollion

Antidemocratic NAZI racist detected!

Another proof that all whites are biggest RACIST in the world since birthday. All whites deserve only to be lynched for their crimes against oppressed people of Africa & Middle East. Viva la tolerance, viva la democracy! All whites must begging on the knees about forgiveness!

Long live multiculturalism

 

[Cimmerianbloke]

Hi Kollion, I have read your post last week but didn't comment, cause as a firt post, it's pretty angry, and I think we have a more suited "Islam and Immigration" section. But Anton's answer is puzzling me, so I'd like to ask Anton what is his opinion as there are mixed messages in his post. To cool everyone down, here's one of my favourite pictures on that topic:

 

[Antigone]

Mmm, and another exaggerated, hysterical and ill-informed first posting. What is going on?

Anton, I find those pictures offensive. Do you think that poor girl would be happy with the indignity of her murdered body being plastered all over the internet for all to see? Show some respect.

 

[Cimmerianbloke]

The pictures seem to be widely available on the net, posting a link with a warning notice would have indeed been better. The girl finding her death by the very type of person she was siding with is tragically ironic... Some aspects of islam have to be adressed without having the racism threat being branded over. The lack of respect to native European girls by muslim men is getting increasingly problematic. The BBC devoted a documentary to the subject a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Hi Kollion, I have read your post last week but didn't comment, cause as a firt post, it's pretty angry, and I think we have a more suited "Islam and Immigration" section. But Anton's answer is puzzling me, so I'd like to ask Anton what is his opinion as there are mixed messages in his post. To cool everyone down, here's one of my favourite pictures on that topic:

I think multiculturalism is retarded, because all world cultures on different stage of development. Many countries stuck in the Middle Ages and their citizens can not co-exist without problems with other cultures. That black guy probably attacked the girl just because she was too attractive for him & he could not control himself because of his culture, education, traditions or whatever.
Human personality is formed before the age of 5 years so it useless to reeducate majority of migrants.
Responsibility for the death of a girl is lying primarily on the irresponsible politicians, they are just to stupid to understand something.

You know, here also our two Kremlin clowns call for tolerance and multiculturalism. I will believe them when Medvedev's son will marry a girl from Africa and Putin's daughters will marry some gastarbeiters from Central Asia

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Mmm, and another exaggerated, hysterical and ill-informed first posting. What is going on?

Anton, I find those pictures offensive. Do you think that poor girl would be happy with the indignity of her murdered body being plastered all over the internet for all to see? Show some respect.

Her death should not be in vain! By the way, what is the situation in Greece with the level of such kind of crime? If I or somebody else will be returning from a nightclub at 5 am then it will be dangerous?

 

[Antigone]

She would not want to remembered like that Anton! No woman would. She also was not murdered by the people she was trying to defend, rather by a violent and crazy American criminal.

Greece and Finland have the lowest crime levels in Europe and this sort of crime especially is almost unheard of. And you'd be safe to walk home from a bar at 5am, as many people do in Greece.

 

[edao]

Sorry Anton, but the image you posted is not true.
Elin Krantz was not the star of the Mix It Up video, it was in fact a woman called Michaela Eklund.

All you have posted is the fact a while blonde girl was raped and murder by a black man. Rape and murder is nothing new, and its certainly not unique to immigrants.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Sorry Anton, but the image you posted is not true.
Elin Krantz was not the star of the Mix It Up video, it was in fact a woman called Michaela Eklund.

All you have posted is the fact a while blonde girl was raped and murder by a black man. Rape and murder is nothing new, and its certainly not unique to immigrants.

Rape and murder is not unique to immigrants, that's right. Many whites behave much worse than any migrant. And nobody can to draw conclusions about the man based on his / her nationality. But do all nations have the same percentage ratio of good / bad people?
Let's look on the USA
There exist uniform statistical service about calculation of crimes during the year by different peoples / races
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

Some parts of arrest statistics in Percent distribution:
[TABLE="width: 300"]
[TR]
[TD]Crime
[/TD]
[TD]Total
[/TD]
[TD]White
[/TD]
[TD]Black
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total
[/TD]
[TD]97.4%
[/TD]
[TD]69.1%
[/TD]
[TD]28.3%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Murder and
nonnegligent manslaughter
[/TD]
[TD]98%
[/TD]
[TD]48.7%
[/TD]
[TD]49.3%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Forcible rape
[/TD]
[TD]97,6%
[/TD]
[TD]65.1%
[/TD]
[TD]32.5%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Robbery
[/TD]
[TD]98,3%
[/TD]
[TD]42.8%
[/TD]
[TD]55.5%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aggravated assault
[/TD]
[TD]97,4%
[/TD]
[TD]63.5%
[/TD]
[TD]33.9%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Burglary
[/TD]
[TD]98,2%
[/TD]
[TD]66.5%
[/TD]
[TD]31.7%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


etc...

At first glance it looks like that white people commit more crimes, but which percent of black population from total? ~ 13% while white ~ 80%. Plus whites in table are people with european background & latino summarily.

 

[Antigone]

Oh for heavens sake, crime doesn't correlate with a person's skin colour nor ethnicity, rather with the economic and personal circumstances of the individual.

You are obsessed with the black/white issue to the point of paranoia and this BS has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Oh for heavens sake, crime doesn't correlate with a person's skin colour nor ethnicity, rather with the economic and personal circumstances of the individual.

You are obsessed with the black/white issue to the point of paranoia and this BS has nothing to do with the topic.

Then explain me, why this 13% population ethnic group participate in the 28-55% of all types of crimes in average per year? If all people the same as multiculturalists claim then simple logic says that and percentage ratio of crimes must be more or less correspond to percentage ratio which concrete ethnic group occupied in the population structure. Is not that right? I mean that white must hold 80% of crimes in USA, black 13%, asians 3% etc... but official statistics says that some ethnic groups commit more crimes than others and vice versa. I could understand if these people arrived in the country just several years ago and they have not yet become American, but it's not so. Total majority of them Americans since birth.

 

[Cimmerianbloke]

Anton is right, jail population shows an overwhelming percentage of non-white inmates in America. I can say for sure that the jail population in Belgium has a very high rate of foreign nationals, well above the 10 percent that non-Belgians represent in the global population. Actually, a riot erupted in the Andenne jail today because of muslim prayer time being somehow not respected. So much for multi-culti...

 

[Antigone]

Perhaps you should first define what you mean by crime? Fraud, robbery, rape, murder, drug trafficing or what? Or are we throwing everything into one basket here?

The reasons for crime are many and varied, mental illness, greed, jealousy, poverty, revenge, childhood abuse, drug habit, political, religious fanaticism just to name a few, but to assume that a person commits crime just because he/she is black or muslim or because of his/her ethnicity is ridiculous.

I haven't got time to answer you both correctly now and will get back when I have a chance but in the meantime here is something for Anton to sink his teeth into https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/187085.pdf although working on Anton's theory I should now assume that all Russians have a tendancy to drug traffic, murder and prostitute sex slaves.......

 

[Cimmerianbloke]

I couldn't stop laughing at the report, as I have some Russians colleagues who actually fit the stereotype. By definition, a crime is committed when the law is broken. Drink-driving and speeding are crimes too (although a difference is marked between felony and offenses). See http://www.csclarklaw.com/faqs-about-new-jersey-law/crime-degrees-criminal-penalties-nj.html for an exemple of crime rating.
You seem to be pretty angry at what is said here, Antigone, even though the figures are there to prove certain types of foreigners or ethnic groups are over-represented in crime statistics. I actually see a link between the reasons you name and some ethnic groups. Again, just being realistic, no need to get emotional over the issue, it's just analyzing facts.

 

[Antigone]

Well the report is over the top, funny and terribly ironic but even so the central point is accurate. Russian crime is endemic in Eastern Europe, UK, US et al and I find it very ironic that Anton can bang on about immigrant crime when some of his own countrymen (as immigrants) are committing so many of them around the world. But does this make all Russians, Anton included, prone toward crime then?

I sound angry!? Wow, I didn't realise that. But no, I don't get angry nor emotional over something so insignificant as differing opinions. I usually swear a lot when I'm angry, just so you will be able to tell the difference in future as we seem to disagree a lot. lol.

Yes, I agree some ethnic groups are over-represented in crime in certain areas (Russians included) but I prefer to look at the reasons why that may be and not automatically assume that the reason must be because they are foreign. But somehow I doubt that most of those immigrants would be in jail if they had good job opportunities, were economically comfortable, and well educated, do you? However, this is a massive generalisation and does not account for the majority of immigrants anywhere who do not commit crime but instead work hard to make an honest living and better future.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Perhaps you should first define what you mean by crime? Fraud, robbery, rape, murder, drug trafficing or what? Or are we throwing everything into one basket here?

The reasons for crime are many and varied, mental illness, greed, jealousy, poverty, revenge, childhood abuse, drug habit, political, religious fanaticism just to name a few, but to assume that a person commits crime just because he/she is black or muslim or because of his/her ethnicity is ridiculous.

I haven't got time to answer you both correctly now and will get back when I have a chance but in the meantime here is something for Anton to sink his teeth into https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/187085.pdf although working on Anton's theory I should now assume that all Russians have a tendancy to drug traffic, murder and prostitute sex slaves.......

Your link is subjective point of view of the author expressed in more than 10 years old text document about multi-ethnic organized crime devoted to difficult period of privatization in 90s. You might as well give a link to organized crime in America during the period of Prohibition or the period of the dictatorship of black colonels in Greece.
While my information dates by official crime statistics of 2009 year and touches white descendants of migrants from Europe and forcely displaced descendants of slaves from Africa for collecting of cotton after 200 years.
Antigone, you should understand that I am not here to overpersuade you in your beliefs. I am here to exchange views, find like-minded people. You personally can believe in everything you want. I will only be happy for you if Greek people will live in happiness and harmony with wonderful people of sub Saharan Africa and Middle East. But please, no need to impose an multicultural ideology to others just if they don't share it.


And of course I recommend to afraid the epidemy of Russian Mafia! East Europe is done, next target is Greece hehehehe typical Russian Mafia member below

 

[Antigone]

Ah, I knew you'd take the bait! So there are definite social and political reasons, excuses and justifications for Russian crime but you accord no reasons to other ethnicities if they commit crime other than that they are foreign or black? You are so funny Anton.

I've been living with the knowledge of the existance of organised crime in Italian and Chinese communities my whole life. And believe me, compared to the Chinese the Russians are rather like overgrown school boys.

You keep calling me a multiculturist and that I am imposing an idealogy on you, but I honestly have no understanding of your meaning here. You see immigration is not an idealogy rather it is a reality and has been a fact of life in the world for a long, long time. Where I grew up everyone is an immigrant or the descendant of one and in Greece I am an immigrant myself, I know of no other life than living with people from everywhere.

Welcome to the big wide world Anton. I realise that immigration is relatively new to Russia but out here it is reality not idealogy and there is no getting away from it. You can either get used to it or find another Iron Curtain to hide behind.

 

[Anton Bear's den]

Ah, I knew you'd take the bait! So there are definite social and political reasons, excuses and justifications for Russian crime but you accord no reasons to other ethnicities if they commit crime other than that they are foreign or black? You are so funny Anton.

I've been living with the knowledge of the existance of organised crime in Italian and Chinese communities my whole life. And believe me, compared to the Chinese the Russians are rather like overgrown school boys.

You keep calling me a multiculturist and that I am imposing an idealogy on you, but I honestly have no understanding of your meaning here. You see immigration is not an idealogy rather it is a reality and has been a fact of life in the world for a long, long time. Where I grew up everyone is an immigrant or the descendant of one and in Greece I am an immigrant myself, I know of no other life than living with people from everywhere.

Welcome to the big wide world Anton. I realise that immigration is relatively new to Russia but out here it is reality not idealogy and there is no getting away from it. You can either get used to it or find another Iron Curtain to hide behind.

In organised crime groups involves less than 1% of population, no matter what country is. Usually it is smart people which cheat with credit cards, illegal importation of alcohol or some other complex kinds of illegal business, such crimes like raping simply too primitive for them. While buddies which you defend bogged down in all types of crimes including the medieval age rape as statistics says.
Unlimited immigration created dead neighborhoods and ghettos in USA & some countries of Europe which the cops even afraid to visit. Antigone, how do you see a perspective to be killed just because you have accidentally come to the street owned by a immigrant gang?
Multiculturalists often say that racism is peculiar only to the white population. Antigone, if you will immigrate to USA someday and your boss in the new workplace will be black then you can meet black racism to yourself easily... even if you have more mediterranean appearance than traditional white.
Foreign architects, students, professors, scientists and businessmen always welcome because such people are selected and may be useful. But I believe that any smart country should not import crowds of medieval age uneducated savages of totally different culture under blind fairytale mottos of multiculturalism.
Idea to hide behind new Iron Curtain sounds good especially when I look at what became with our former communist allies. What a shame!

Antigone, do you happen to be a Jew?