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Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Dreptul Valah said:
The Etruscan king Mezentius has already been associated with the Messapic Menzana,since the two also refer to Jupiter,but his story clearly indicates that he was a horseman hero,very similar to the Thracian one,called Mezenai,terms that have survived in Albanian(mez) and Romanian (manz),designating the foal,colt.
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I don’t mean to intrude but I come from the land of the Messapi. The word Menzana is a very old word rarely used today but I remember my grandfather telling me to go and fill up the Menzana..it was a metal container that he used to fill with water.
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La menza e Giove (Jupiter) Menzana
http://www.fondazioneterradotranto.it/2014/05/16/la-menza-e-giove-menzana-altre-perle-dalla-rete/
 
Mara in Some Aromanian also means Widow,
Woman of Death.
Femme Fatale
sometimes you it Mora

while Mareta Marete may means the Bride,
 
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Salento said:
I don’t mean to intrude but I come from the land of the Messapi. The word Menzana is a very old word rarely used today but I remember my grandfather telling me to go and fill up the Menzana..it was a metal container that he used to fill with water.
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You are obviously involving the fertility rite here,because the Thracian horseman was also called Pyrmerulas,that is,the Big Maize.


http://groznijat.tripod.com/thrac/thrac_4d.html
 
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Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

LABERIA said:
But you have also the word manze, for calf.
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Manzaro In my dialect means “Ram”, the Big Boy of the sheep. It’s also used as “Idiot”. (Montone in Italian)
Menza In my dialect also means “Half”.
Calf is Vitello, Manzo is a bit Older.
King Menzana of the Messapi and the menzana ( pict.. at the top) is the-same word. :)
 
About the connections between the Romanians and Albanians

Although all the Romanian-Vlach dialects share a very consistent number of both Latin and Paleo-Balkanic elements with Albanian,there are clear differences among them,in this respect,automatically implying the fact that the major events from South Eastern Europe,such as the Slavic migration,who have triggered certain movements of the natives,represent the main cause.
 
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In other words,it was the Slavic migration that have intensified the relations between the Romanians-Vlachs and Albanians,proved by certain linguistic differences, indicating various degrees of contact.

Th. Capidan mentions over 60 Latin words that
exist only in Daco-Romanian and Albanian,without being present in Aromanian;

another thing here,the suffix '-za',appears less in the last language

Daco-Romanian ,Aromanian pupaza,Albanian pupeze

Daco-Romanian cinteza,Aromanian ciona,both,kind of birds
 
The stronger Albanian contacts also suggests that the majority of the Vlachs were of Daco-Romanian type,playing the role of the catalyst between the non-Greek natives.
 
LABERIA said:
But you have also the word manze, for calf.
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But they also have users like Sile-Zanipolo,who has constantly tried to present solid arguments.

In fact,the great majority of Italians from both Italy and America act just the same.
This user seem to exhibit the typical Italian dignity,making no compromises in this respect.

http://researchomnia.blogspot.ro/2016/07/vlachs-in-venetian-dalmatia.html?m=1

These are the Istro-Romanians,they were used to be called Morlachs ,while the today's language is heavily influenced by Serbo-Croatian,the Latin words resemble strikingly the Daco-Romanian speech.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkZGMNAljU

Bacchus came up with this link,but he believed,like others, that the Istro-Romanians are also called Cici.

It is not true,Cici are Istro-Romanized Aromanians,named Cincari or Tsintsari by some other Balkan groups.
 
In the remote regions that were extremely hard to control and defend,the Eastern Romans,Byzantines,granted full autonomy to the local lords and more precisely, to their communities,an example of this practice comes from Justinian,who recognizes the Aquae's self-government,in Dacia Ripensis.


This process has its roots in the Roman defensive strategies, starting with the division of the Empire,and the creation of the prefectures,it basically was much more than a simple regionalization, but the acknowledgement that every region "deserves a special treatment".
 
These facts imply the existence of fully autonomous rulers,called Judikes,in Sardinian,the same with the Romanian Jude,coming from Latin iudex,defending border domains in the very pressured regions,known later as giudicati or judete.

Another particularity here,these lands belonged to certain communities that had a clearly different ethnic origin,culture,language, than the Byzantines-Greeks,proved by the partial overlap between the Jude/judikes and the Archon.

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storia_della_Sardegna_giudicale


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giudicati

https://www.google.ro/amp/s/alberto...giudicati-sardi-sardegna-storia-medioevo/amp/

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giudice_(Storia_della_Sardegna)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon
 
The Old Romanian spelling,giude and giudet.

Another interesting connection, the Sardinian Church was for centuries independent "from both the Byzantine and the Roman Curia", while the Romanian term biserica doesn't come from ecclesia.
 
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BuRGarians (also known as FYROMacedonians) who coincide with Northern Greeks in 96%

You are forgetting BuLGarians/ BuRGarians (also known as FYROMacedonians) who coincide with Northern Greeks in 96%, Romanians in 92%, Albanians in 85%, Moldovans and Gagauz in 78%, Greeks (as a whole) in 77%, Ukrainians (the true Old Russians) , where Old Great BuLGaria/ BuRGaria was prior to 681, and Sardenians in 60%, Kazan Tatars (Volga BuLGars?) in 31%, Great-Russians (Muscovites) in 30% according to Eupedia s Y DNA correlation!!! It turns out BuLGarians and Romanians are nearly identical, similatity with Albanians is too big, too, and Moldova, Romania, Albania and Northern Greece have all been part of the BuLGarian state in the middle ages. It turns out then the First People in South East Europe around the Black Sea, The Thracians (incl. Ancient Macedonians and Pelasgians), the Sklaveni/ Sclavus (Slavs) and BuLGars/ BuRGars more or less were the same people under various cultural impact. There is no unconditional proof the Slavs have come from the North instead of went North and about the BuLGars - that they have come from Asia, instead of went to Asia.
 
Nik said:
Arbereshe do use the word dashuri. I'll find some songs and send them to you if you want.
As for the word "dor", seems like a typical transformation the Albanian language would do to the Latin word "dolor", Italian "dolore".
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Dor (Latin dolus)can't come from Albanian, because this language doesn't have the l-r rhotacism


Latin palumbus,Albanian pellumb,Romanian porumb,porumbel


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/dolus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotacism_(sound_change)


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From which part of Bulgaria are you Nik,Skopje,Ohrid?
 
Links for the first posts

http://difusion.ulb.ac.be/vufind/Record/ULB-DIPOT:oai:dipot.ulb.ac.be:2013/167398/TOC

http://www.etruskisch.de/pgs/vc.htm


Nesko,neskoa from the Ezerevo ring can be translated either using the following IE root ,nek,which is the source for the Latin noxa,or,more likely related to the Proto-Basque nes-ka(girl,unmarried young woman),Basque neska,nexka(servant girl,maiden),knowing the Thracian custom to sacrifice women,especially at important burials.


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/neḱ-


Search for Nescato:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language
 
Dreptul Valah said:
The same for Dalmatian,

Latin gelu,gelus,Dalmatian gheluat

Latin caelum,Dalmatian cil

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language
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Dalmatian language belong to Italo-Dalmatian branch of Romance languages, unlike Romanian, Aromanian and Istro-Romanian which are eastern Romance languages.

Speakers of Dalmatian language were not Vlachs. They were at the high at high degree of cultural development and they were urban population which lived in coastal cities of eastern Adriatic.
Unlike Dalmatin Romance people Vlachs were sheperds from central, southern and eastern Balkans.
 
LABERIA said:
I don`t know if Albanians and Romanians,had a common word,before dor and mall.
The reason why the word dashuri=love it is not used by Arberesh is because the Arberesh dialect from one side have preserved some archaich forms but from the other side they have lost many words due to the preassure of the Italian language. Of course Albanian dialects spoken in Albania are more elaborate meanwhile the dialects spoken in diaspora, including Arbereshe dialects are more simplistic.
Also we use thew word mall. From the dictionary Albanian-Albanian:
MALL I m. :
Gg translator:
It is a word that has many meanings and serves as a root for many other words. For example:
MALLËNGJIM m. sh.=movingly.
http://www.fjalorshqip.com/
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Exactly,it is the inherited diversity that counts the most,usually found in the larger groups,because the smaller ones are easier to be influenced, manipulated,especially the enclaves.

The autosomal maps that I've posted on this thread clearly show that the biggest Romanian-Vlach populations were the Proto-Wallachians,already formed before the Slavs came to the Balkans.

Although the Wallachian genes spike in Kosovo ,like the other Romanian ones,the main differences are that they can also be found in other areas,namely,FYROM(especially the northern parts) and northern Serbia (Novi Sad area).


At least for Novi Sad,it is guaranteed that these are not Albanian or Romanian genes,but Serbianized natives(especially that these seem to go westwards, into the Old Serbian territory),the clear difference can be made,since Romanian has Slavic words of Bulgarian type.

In other words, a large population from the Balkans was fragmented by the many barbarian invasions and left its genes into the Albanian,Serb and Proto-Wallachian peoples.
The Romanized part of this population was more successful against the "Albanization", probably because more men have survived the Slavic onslaught,with evidence such as ginere,Latin generis,opposed to North Romanian (Transylvanian and Moldavian)mire,which in Albanian means good.
 
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