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New map of Slavic Y-DNA

Lenab said:
Those are links to history in the Catholic religion that tells me literally nothing about Croatian history but confirms that Romans spread Catholicism
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Bosnian muslims from 23&me - муслимани (БиХ)
Sample 136
I2a (50) - 36,8%
R1a (28) - 20,6%
E1b (13) - 9,6%
I1 (12) - 8,8%
J2a (10) - 7,4%
J2b (5) - 3,7%
R1b (4) - 2,9%
G2a (4) - 2,9%
J1 (2) - 1,5%
T (2) - 1,5%
L (1) - 0,7%
N2 (1) - 0,7%
[video]https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1193.msg95394#msg95394[/video]

From 23&me Bosnia Serbs, Krajina Serbs and Bosnian muslims have 56-57% I2a+R1a.
Bosnian muslims have high J2a for the south Slavic standards, also L and T exist among them, and that is probably Amatolian infuence.
As you can see Bosnian muslims have more haplogroups than Bosnian and Krajina Serbs (especially than Krajina Serbs).
 
So Serbs from Bosnia and Bosnians from Bosnia are the most close this makes sense...Now Serbians from Croatia vs Croatians from Croatia you can print general plots you do not have to give geographic regions ......
 
L is Indid J2a is Mediterranean from the East Anatolian influenced would be more G numbers that's dominant in Armenia/Georgia
 
Lenab said:
So Serbs from Bosnia and Bosnians from Bosnia are the most close this makes sense...Now Serbians from Croatia vs Croatians from Croatia you can print general plots you do not have to give geographic regions ......
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Bosnian orthodox, Bosnian catholics and Bosnian muslims are autosomally identical.
Bosnian catholics and muslims are of Serbian origin, but today they deslared themselves as Croatians and Bosniaks. Only orthodox are still Serbs, catholics and muslims are victims of brainwashing. Catholics are brainwashed by Vatican and Austro-Hungary, and muslims are brainwashed by Ottomans. Both of them are still Serbian speakers, but they claims that their language is Croatian and Bosnian. Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin language does not exist, it's just politics. Among souths Slavs exist only 3 languages: Serbian, Bulgarian and Slovenian.
 
Right so people tend to mix within their population of migration.

I am sorry for this, but some still know... Btw many nationalities are brainwashed against their own people. I believe that US and UK intervention caused in the 90s that the Ottomans left you can't sweet talk a Liberal.

Slovenians are somewhat Central
 
Lenab said:
Those are links to history in the Catholic religion that tells me literally nothing about Croatian history but confirms that Romans spread Catholicism
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Take a look at this map:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expansion_of_christianity.jpg

Not only Croatia, but also Bosnia, Herzegovina, Montenegro were all Catholic countries during the middle ages. Only Serbia was Orthodox.

Then how can you say such nonsense:

Lenab said:
Not much of a Serb minority in Croatia I have to be careful what I will say since I don't want another strike on my account but...Croatians are just Catholic Serbians you became Catholics same as Bosnian became Muslim easily to look at Ex Yugoslavic demographics online
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It is obvious that the process of the religion shift occurred in the exactly opposite direction.

"Serb" meant Orthodox before 19th century. There is no such a thing as "Catholic Serb". It would be a contradiction. If one is Serb, he can't be Catholic at the same time.
 
Bachus said:
Bosnian orthodox, Bosnian catholics and Bosnian muslims are autosomally identical.
Bosnian catholics and muslims are of Serbian origin, but today they deslared themselves as Croatians and Bosniaks. Only orthodox are still Serbs, catholics and muslims are victims of brainwashing. Catholics are brainwashed by Vatican and Austro-Hungary, and muslims are brainwashed by Ottomans. Both of them are still Serbian speakers, but they claims that their language is Croatian and Bosnian. Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin language does not exist, it's just politics. Among souths Slavs exist only 3 languages: Serbian, Bulgarian and Slovenian.
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Are you aware of the nonsense you are writing?
 
@Bachus and @Lenab should provide some sources to confirm their clams.
 
Wonomyro said:
Take a look at this map:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expansion_of_christianity.jpg

Not only Croatia, but also Bosnia, Herzegovina, Montenegro were all Catholic countries during the middle ages. Only Serbia was Orthodox.

Then how can you say such nonsense:



It is obvious that the process of the religion shift occurred in the exactly opposite direction.

"Serb" meant Orthodox before 19th century. There is no such a thing as "Catholic Serb". It would be a contradiction. If one is Serb, he can't be Catholic at the same time.
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Yeah he's called a Croat that's a Catholic Serb your map does not even have the word BOSNIA ALBANIA CROATIA on it
the Slavs came to the Balkans...Anyway in pre historic times when even called Serbia but SERVIA that's the point Serbs/Steppes/Slavs :confused2::startled:

Slavs come from the Steppes, Serbians were the first Slavic people/Nation in the Balkans
 
Lenab said:
Yeah he's called a Croat that's a Catholic Serb your map does not even have the word BOSNIA ALBANIA CROATIA on it

And during the Middle Ages when the Slavs came to the Balkans Serbia was not even called Serbia but SERVIA that's the point Serbs/Steppes/Slavs

Slavs come from the Steppes Serbians were the first Slavic people/Nation in the Balkans
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You need words on maps in order to locate a country? :laughing:

I cant help you.
 
Wonomyro said:
Before 1991. nobody was using the term “Krajina”. It is purely Serb nationalistic construct, meaningless today, and we should avoid using it. It is the anachronism used by Serbia to create an impression that their territorial aspirations have the historical legitimation. However, in 1991. Serbs didn’t follow any pattern except to grab as much Croatian territory as they could. They were stopped at some point, and in order to legalize the occupation, they called the territory “Serbian Republic of Krajina”. It is sad that many Serbs still use that term on Internet forums.
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Well, they are obviously linking it to Vojna Krajina established by Habsburgs. In 1991 they should have named it Vlach Republic of Krajina, it would have made more sense.
I undertand that there would be no big difference if they would consider themselves Croats today, but its got to be painful when other country assimilates population inside of your country. Just as Serbs did Croatian Krajina Vlachs.

Orthodox religion must have been key to their success as obviously everyone would call you Serb in Croatia if you would declare Orthodox.
 
Lenab said:
The Serbs/Slavs Indo Europeans are mentioned in the Avesta texts Macedonians are Serbs Croatians are Serbs Bosnians are Serbs
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That's a pile of crap you wrote there...

Macedonians neither linguistic nor nor genetically are like Serbs.
The language itself is more Bulgarian like then Serbian.
Only in the communist era, a lot of words have been artificially imported, just for the sake of closer relationship with Serbo-Croatian.
But still, the Serbs have problems picking up what does Macedonian says to them when speaking in Macedonian.
The grammar is even more alien for as it is nothing like the Serbian.
In fact, the Macedonian grammar is a bit strange for a Bulgarian as well as it shares some similarities with the Aromanian as well.
For more info see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund

Genetically, the Macedonians are also different.

Autosomally, there are two types of Macedonians.
Those from the North are more similar to Bulgarians and Romanians, while those from the South, are closer to Albanians and Northern Greeks.

When looking at the y-dna haplotype of the Macedonians, you will find that the dominant haplotype of I2a1b in the Macedonians is Dinarid North while in Serbs is Dinaric South.

R1a in Serbs is in majority R1a-Z280 while in Macedonians it has more variety.
You can check this image about R1a:
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From what I have seen a while ago on Poreklo, the variety of E-V13 is not that great either.
And most of the people with that haplogroup had ancestry from Montenegro.
So it's obvious that your haplotypes are shared with the Albanians.

Macedonians on the other hand have nothing to do with Montenegro and although there are not many tests done on Macedonians, E-V13 in them seem to be of more variety.
 
Dema said:
Well, they are obviously linking it to Vojna Krajina established by Habsburgs. In 1991 they should have named it Vlach Republic of Krajina, it would have made more sense.
I undertand that there would be no big difference if they would consider themselves Croats today, but its got to be painful when other country assimilates population inside of your country. Just as Serbs did Croatian Krajina Vlachs.

Orthodox religion must have been key to their success as obviously everyone would call you Serb in Croatia if you would declare Orthodox.
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You are very patetic dude, and very bad *****. Your Vlachic ancestors expelled by Drobnjaci, excaped to Albania and joined to Berisha clan as Gypsies.
Drobnjaci > Kriči, deal with it!
You are very big *****, because your idiotic claims don't have any sense. Krajina Serbs ussualy got 41-43% North_European at K12b (same as Croatians), on the other hand Vlachs (Aromanians) and Albanians got 24-25% North_European. Slovenians got about 47% and Czechs 51%, which means that Krajina Serbs (and all Serbs) are much closer to Slovenians/Czechs than to Vlachs/Albanians, deal with it!
Montenegrin and Torlakian Serbs (Serbs from southern Serbia) ussualy got 35-36% North_European, and they are the most southern shifted Serbs.

Krajina Serbs genetically are 100000000X closer to Croatians than to Vlachs/Albanians.

Dude, why are you obsessed with Vlachs? You are not Romanian.
 
I think this thread go from Slavic genetics to Balkan crap.It creates very bad image of our people anyway,don't know how some people aren't tired already,admin please.
 
Aspar said:
That's a pile of crap you wrote there...

Macedonians neither linguistic nor nor genetically are like Serbs.
The language itself is more Bulgarian like then Serbian.
Only in the communist era, a lot of words have been artificially imported, just for the sake of closer relationship with Serbo-Croatian.
But still, the Serbs have problems picking up what does Macedonian says to them when speaking in Macedonian.
The grammar is even more alien for as it is nothing like the Serbian.
In fact, the Macedonian grammar is a bit strange for a Bulgarian as well as it shares some similarities with the Aromanian as well.
For more info see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund

Genetically, the Macedonians are also different.

Autosomally, there are two types of Macedonians.
Those from the North are more similar to Bulgarians and Romanians, while those from the South, are closer to Albanians and Northern Greeks.

When looking at the y-dna haplotype of the Macedonians, you will find that the dominant haplotype of I2a1b in the Macedonians is Dinarid North while in Serbs is Dinaric South.

R1a in Serbs is in majority R1a-Z280 while in Macedonians it has more variety.


From what I have seen a while ago on Poreklo, the variety of E-V13 is not that great either.
And most of the people with that haplogroup had ancestry from Montenegro.
So it's obvious that your haplotypes are shared with the Albanians.

Macedonians on the other hand have nothing to do with Montenegro and although there are not many tests done on Macedonians, E-V13 in them seem to be of more variety.
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There is very few claims from the Serbian side that Macedonians are of Serbian origin.
You guys are genetic and linguistic twins of Bulgarians.
Serbs have higher I2a1, R1a and I1 than Macedonians. Macedonians have higher E-V13, J and R1b than Serbs.
Yes, 70% of Serbian R1a is Z280.
Dinaric south is about 2/3, and Dinaric north is about 1/3 among Serbs.

Map of Serbian I2a1b and R1a
Dark blue - Dinaric south
Lighter blue - Dinaric north
Orange - R1a
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What on earth are you on about? Every country during the middle ages has the same name apart from Dalmatia and Illyria and a map during middle age Europe in Serbia was called Servia...Croatia Albania and Bosnia aren't even named does that now make sense.

Where Albania is it says Illyria where Croatia is it says Dalmatia and where Bosnia/Montnegro is it says Servia....So yes you call yourself a Croat to separate yourself from Serbs just like Albanians call themselves Albanians and Bosnians call themselves Bosnians etc etc

Dalmatian is Roman actually and Illyrians were Romance\Slav mixed
 
Not a pile of carp

My Great Grandfather was from Macedonia U got Serbian genetic match as well as South Romanian and some Bulgarian I posted their pics on the other Nicola Tesla thread
 
True they are Gypsies I..Only wished the blonde people in my Mother's family were not so ******* retarded...
 
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