Sardinian Genetics

[Nik]

Lanusei starts to look different already except for the lead singer. Tenores from Lanusei:

Wow! The lead singer looks so Albanian.

They're such an interesting people to study. Hopefully someone will make this paper available for free.

 

[Angela]

what are you talking about? can you provide evidences about my Jewish obsession? My real interest is near 0.

About a few thousand colonists... read the info first, it explains that locals were inhabiting the mountains so it is to think that Phoenicians colonized the best lands to farming, just look at the case of Hampsicora... And what about 4000 men in the core of the island? it will have not a DNA impact?

You say that without EHG steppe will not pop up, can be sure that a Southafrican Coloured will not pop up as pure white in China if we don't take into account its African genes? Please just use logics in paleogenetics.

The fact that you could ask such a question and think it's logical says it all.

 

[berun]

perfect Angela, you don't come with my Jewish obsession and neither you expose how a given admixture is confused by another made by an other made with one of its components. No matter, after a time we know how we are.

More from Pausanias, almost mithycal but...

The first sailors to cross to the island are said to have been Libyans. Their leader was Sardus, son of Maceris, the Maceris surnamed Heracles by the Egyptians and Libyans. Maceris himself was celebrated chiefly for his journey to Delphi, but Sardus it was who led the Libyans to Ichnussa, and after him the island was renamed. However, the Libyan army did not expel the aboriginals, who received the invaders as settlers through compulsion rather than in goodwill. Neither the Libyans nor the native population knew how to build cities. They dwelt in scattered groups, where chance found them a home in cabins or caves.

 

[berun]

more about ...

However, many years afterwards the Libyans crossed again to the island with a stronger army, and began a war against the Greeks. The Greeks were utterly destroyed, or only a few of them survived. The Trojans made their escape to the high parts of the island, and occupied mountains difficult to climb, being precipitous and protected by stakes. Even at the present day they are called Ilians, but in figure, in the fashion of their arms, and in their mode of living generally, they are like the Libyans.

 

[berun]

When the Carthaginians were at the height of their sea power, they overcame all in Sardinia except the Ilians and Corsicans, who were kept from slavery by the strength of the mountains. These Carthaginians, like those who preceded them, founded cities in the island, namely, Caralis and Sulci. Some of the Carthaginian mercenaries, either Libyans or Iberians, quarrelled about the booty, mutinied in a passion, and added to the number of the highland settlers. Their name in the Cyrnian language is Balari, which is the Cyrnian word for fugitives.

and more moving on

 

[Angela]

I'm going to say it one more time. Myths are not history. We're now in the age of GENETICS.

No one knows the genetics of Troy. WE DON't HAVE A SAMPLE. We don't know what happened to any particular group of men sent to Sardinia. Were they all killed off by the inhabitants of the Barbagia? We don't know.

We do know there was Carthaginian settlement on the island. We also know the extent of the footprint. We even have the samples. Who is denying it?

Exhaustive and very detailed yDna analysis could prove helpful in getting more information. What we do know is there's quite a bit of U-152 in Sardinia, bringing steppe, even if subsequently diluted. Go back and read the paper and the Francalacci paper on the yDna while you're at it.

As to your original question: "You say that without EHG steppe will not pop up, can be sure that a Southafrican Coloured will not pop up as pure white in China if we don't take into account its African genes? Please just use logics in paleogenetics."

Look at your analogy: SouthAfrican Coloured vs Steppe.

You've made my point for me; don't you see that? Yes, if you removed all the alleles for African and South, Southeast Asian,Oceanic, maybe the little that was left would look "white".

The point is that steppe people are admixed, just like Cape Coloureds. NEITHER of them could be confused for just CHG or just
"WHITE" respectively.

If you find an ancient sample with CHG in it, but no EHG, THERE IS NO STEPPE. Why do you think some bloggers are madly trying to find some EHG at certain points in ancient Anatolia? There's tons of CHG there. What they need is EHG to prove that there was movement from the steppe.

If you have a sample with a certain proportion of "white", San, Yoruba like, Malaysian like, South Indian like genes, it's a Cape Coloured sample. You need ALL of them to correctly identify it as Cape Coloured. There is a pattern which the algorithm is programmed to find. I don't understand your difficulty with this.

Look up the technical papers on how this works if you still don't understand, or continue to make nonsensical statements, but don't expect me to respond any further. There's no point.

 

[berun]

Angela, are you aware that admixtures are done with steppe EMBA and not CHG plus EHG? what do you would get if you run a program whit mButi, steppe, EEF into an Egyptian?

 

[davef]

Angela, are you aware that admixtures are done with steppe EMBA and not CHG plus EHG? what do you would get if you run a program whit mButi, steppe, EEF into an Egyptian?

But i think it would still look for ehg and chg to measure EMBA

 

[Angela]

Angela, are you aware that admixtures are done with steppe EMBA and not CHG plus EHG? what do you would get if you run a program whit mButi, steppe, EEF into an Egyptian?

Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE ADMIXTURE IN THEM?????

Plus, all sorts of analyses can be done, using all sorts of statistical tools, and different samples.

Now I'm serious. You're going on ignore. You don't understand the process, the programs, the math, and you refuse to learn because you don't like the results and what they say about Iberian pre-history. It is what it is. Just accept it.

 

[berun]

But i think it would still look for ehg and chg to measure EMBA

Doubtful when such graphs include 100% of the autosome, simply they attribute to given pop.


Figure S10: Mixture proportion of the three-component ancestries among Sardinian populations.
Using a method first presented in Haak et al. (Nature 2015), we computed unbiased estimates of
mixture proportions without an accurate model of relationships between the test populations and
the outgroup populations based on f4 statistics. The three-component ancestries were represented
by early Neolithic individuals from LBK culture (LBK_EN), pre-Neolithic hunter-gatherer
(Loschbour), and Bronze Age steppe pastoralists (Yamnaya).

 

[berun]

@Angela, ignore pictures also

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