torzio
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- North East Italian
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- T1a2 - SK1480
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- H95a
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Bolded are new coordinates for Dodecad K12b; more to come:
IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0,0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0,0,0.58,0,34.62,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.50,0.02
Distance to: | Jovialis |
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3.02061252 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973 |
3.43008746 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121 |
3.70737104 | Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836 |
3.83489244 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970 |
4.06829202 | MA_Villa_Magna_R60 |
4.18988067 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969 |
4.49402937 | MA_Villa_Magna_R1290 |
6.31831465 | MA_Villa_Magna_R59 |
6.33613447 | MA_Villa_Magna_R65 |
6.93178909 | C_Italian |
7.03068275 | Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549 |
7.06252788 | LA_Celio_R36 |
7.53431483 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118 |
7.54746315 | IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 |
7.94664709 | O_Italian |
8.53400258 | S_Italian_Sicilian |
8.78169118 | Sicilian |
8.86584457 | Greek |
10.09450841 | MA_Villa_Magna_R57 |
10.43502755 | Tuscan |
10.94765728 | Crimean_Tatar_Coast |
11.25284853 | Albanian_Kosovo |
11.33426663 | TSI30 |
11.35261203 | Greek_Crete |
11.67082259 | Ashkenazy_Jews |
Target: Jovialis Distance: 0.5556% / 0.55559557 | ADC: 0.5x | |
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32.6 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973 |
30.6 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970 |
23.2 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121 |
13.6 | Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836 |
The Black Death hit the coastal populations first originally because it spread by sea. The first victims were passengers on ships from the Crimea and the ships stopped at ports along the way before going back to Genova. Others ships went to Venezia. Either way, some of them stopped first in Constantinople, Messina etc. The plague was brought to the Crimea by the Mongols. I've seen speculation it was picked up from steppe rodents like marmots.
The perhaps apocryphal story is that during the siege, the Mongols tossed the bodies of infected people into the European fortresses. By catapult, maybe? If true, that's a much more potent weapon than anything man made.
That doesn't "necessarily" mean that's where it hit hardest. Fivizzano in the Lunigiana, up in the mountains, lost 90% of its inhabitants, which is some kind of record. It had the misfortune to be on one of the trade routes from the Italian coastal cities up and over the mountains at the crossings and then on to the Po Plain.
Whether you got it depended on a combination of exposure and natural immunities or lack thereof. The best thing to do was to isolate yourself, as Boccaccio recounts in "The Decameron". Eat, drink, and tell stories, and don't let anyone sick come inside.
This is also based on K15:
Curiously, I get higher Atlantic than all in this sheet, and more West Asian than all North Italians except Romagna. This high Atlantic % of mine must be related to certain overfits also in FTDNA, MyHeritage and the old DNA Land, while 23andMe does a better job.
so are you saying ...the bottom pca is based on the data above ?
If it is indeed, k15, than yes. I need to verify that.
This is also based on K15:
3.80336693 | TSI30 |
5.63808478 | Tuscan |
5.91498943 | North_Italian |
6.22841874 | N_Italian |
8.70606685 | O_Italian |
8.92554760 | IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016 |
9.07843048 | C_Italian |
9.47641282 | IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015 |
9.74779462 | LA_Celio_R36 |
9.81848257 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
10.57665354 | IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021 |
10.65957316 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118 |
10.77751827 | IA_Civitavecchia_R473 |
10.82190833 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
12.90000388 | IA_Latin_Ardea_R851 |
13.22874522 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969 |
13.51517665 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970 |
14.11183546 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121 |
14.21805894 | Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836 |
14.37636254 | IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 |
14.41470083 | Albanian_Kosovo |
14.62978127 | MA_Villa_Magna_R1290 |
14.72641504 | Albanian_North |
15.48640694 | MA_Villa_Magna_R60 |
15.65395797 | Baleares |
Here are the K15 values added to vahaduo, courtesy of mlukas. They are in order according to how gedmatch shows them, separated by commas. They are the ones I used for the PCA I composed:
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12.69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,13.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26.38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.24,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31.66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29.68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14.12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8.91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14.76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17.82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16.91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22.54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19.20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.69,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
Italian_Jewish,8.10,12.62,2.23,1.13,17.84,12.08,33.85,8.25,0.07,0.65,0.21,0.08,0.75,2.14,0.01
Here are the K15 values added to vahaduo, courtesy of mlukas. They are in order according to how gedmatch shows them, separated by commas. They are the ones I used for the PCA I composed:
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12.69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,13.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26.38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.24,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31.66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29.68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14.12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8.91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14.76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17.82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16.91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22.54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19.20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.69,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
Italian_Jewish,8.10,12.62,2.23,1.13,17.84,12.08,33.85,8.25,0.07,0.65,0.21,0.08,0.75,2.14,0.01
I added Salento (top image / Grugni 2018 paper).
Puglia was my 1st Match, but now it is Salento.
Salento is in Puglia, so in my case 1st or 2nd doesn’t make much of a difference.
It makes perfect sense, I was born in Salento, and my name is Salento
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