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[Lukas]

Bolded are new coordinates for Dodecad K12b; more to come:

IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0,0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0,0,0.58,0,34.62,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.50,0.02

I will add them but for Dodecad K12b Ancient, first I need more samples from other areas for it to create.

 

[Angela]

Happy NY!
Here's the updated k13 ancient

Here are mine for comparison:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6EFF00, align: right"]3.23024767[/TD]
[TD]SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]3.92136456[/TD]
[TD]SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.61476977[/TD]
[TD]SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]5.48877035[/TD]
[TD]IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]5.52075176[/TD]
[TD]SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.08428303[/TD]
[TD]I7424_morisco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E1FF00, align: right"]6.61990936[/TD]
[TD]CL36_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E9FF00, align: right"]6.84388778[/TD]
[TD]I7424_morisco2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF700, align: right"]7.73375717[/TD]
[TD]SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC100, align: right"]9.31946887[/TD]
[TD]col018_col018_M_R1b-Z2123_T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]9.37121123[/TD]
[TD]SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB000, align: right"]9.81173787[/TD]
[TD]CL23_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.93161115[/TD]
[TD]I12647_iberia2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]9.96091361[/TD]
[TD]I12647_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]10.26733169[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9900, align: right"]10.48618138[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9900, align: right"]10.51419517[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.54139459[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9700, align: right"]10.57125820[/TD]
[TD]scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.66753486[/TD]
[TD]col001_col001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.67171964[/TD]
[TD]CL121_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9200, align: right"]10.70753006[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.82380709[/TD]
[TD]RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8100, align: right"]11.21984848[/TD]
[TD]SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6000, align: right"]12.17064912[/TD]
[TD]SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5400, align: right"]12.52218032[/TD]
[TD]I12516_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4D00, align: right"]12.74365332[/TD]
[TD]SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4800, align: right"]12.89520454[/TD]
[TD]CL49_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3500, align: right"]13.44571679[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3300, align: right"]13.49187904[/TD]
[TD]I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2E00, align: right"]13.63865463[/TD]
[TD]SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2B00, align: right"]13.74177208[/TD]
[TD]I3807_morisco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2800, align: right"]13.81188619[/TD]
[TD]I3807_morisco[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1B00, align: right"]14.21938466[/TD]
[TD]I10865_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1A00, align: right"]14.24593275[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]14.41144337[/TD]
[TD]I12649_low_quality[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0900, align: right"]14.74637244[/TD]
[TD]DA195_Hungary_Scythian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0300, align: right"]14.90830306[/TD]
[TD]CL94_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0009, align: right"]15.25983617[/TD]
[TD]MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000F, align: right"]15.43876614[/TD]
[TD]DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.57760251[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.59921152[/TD]
[TD]IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0015, align: right"]15.61387204[/TD]
[TD]IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0016, align: right"]15.64138741[/TD]
[TD]SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0018, align: right"]15.69199477[/TD]
[TD]CL57_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0022, align: right"]16.00789180[/TD]
[TD]IA_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0025, align: right"]16.09816760[/TD]
[TD]I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.19303863[/TD]
[TD]CL47_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0039, align: right"]16.68914617[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0041, align: right"]16.89786969[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R475[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

K15 ancient. The same samples are usually about a point or so different.
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E0FF00, align: right"]6.59585476[/TD]
[TD]IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]9.97415661[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.52466151[/TD]
[TD]EMBA_Croatia_I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.83707525[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY197[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.64466831[/TD]
[TD]BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6900, align: right"]11.90834581[/TD]
[TD]BronzAgeBalkan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4300, align: right"]13.03677107[/TD]
[TD]Vucedol_I3499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]13.34351903[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0300, align: right"]14.91996984[/TD]
[TD]Bavaria_STR310[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0000, align: right"]14.99525258[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0000, align: right"]14.99546598[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.06043824[/TD]
[TD]IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0010, align: right"]15.46276819[/TD]
[TD]IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001C, align: right"]15.83683996[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.19309729[/TD]
[TD]IA_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002B, align: right"]16.26327458[/TD]
[TD]IronAgeBalkan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0054, align: right"]17.46251414[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R475[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0072, align: right"]18.36019063[/TD]
[TD]MedievalHungarian_DA199[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0075, align: right"]18.44684797[/TD]
[TD]Scythian_SCY311[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007E, align: right"]18.71971421[/TD]
[TD]IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0099, align: right"]19.49851789[/TD]
[TD]Mycenaean_I9041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D1, align: right"]21.14828835[/TD]
[TD]BR2_Hungary[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00EB, align: right"]21.92221248[/TD]
[TD]NorthItalian_HGDP01171[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DB00FF, align: right"]23.55316115[/TD]
[TD]IA_Ardea_R850[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C700FF, align: right"]24.14315845[/TD]
[TD]Crimean_Goth_KER1[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

6​

The dodecad K12b in its present state puts me MUCH closer to the ancient samples, and it's a very different order as well.

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD]3.80336693[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.63808478[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.91498943[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.22841874[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.70606685[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.92554760[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.07843048[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.47641282[/TD]
[TD]IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.81848257[/TD]
[TD]IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.57665354[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.77751827[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.82190833[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.90000388[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.21805894[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.37636254[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_437[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.41470083[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14.72641504[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.65395797[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.77446988[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.95765020[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R475[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.55905464[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.56309198[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.79110733[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.03087352[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.06927779[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Salento]

so Salento is more exacting as it is a certain area of puglia?

I’m exacting LOL

my results pinpointed to Salento.

I noticed that the Grugni “Region” Data is different than the one in the Calculator.
... now it all gets complicated.

Solutions?
Averaging the Regions, maybe?

 

[torzio]

K13 ancient

looks good

except , I thought someone said col001_col001 = sample CL23 ............which is also present




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[/URL]

 

[Duarte]

I will add them but for Dodecad K12b Ancient, first I need more samples from other areas for it to create.

@mlukas

More some samples to help to create Dodecad K12b Ancient:

Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61,1.37,0.04,3.55,0.00,35.80,32.50,1.16,0.00,4.96,0.89,19.29,0.44
Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33,3.61,0.00,0.70,0.17,37.01,26.51,0.61,0.35,7.08,0.00,23.68,0.28
Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37,2.14,1.00,2.70,0.00,50.70,31.46,0.00,0.00,4.24,0.00,7.65,0.12
Late_Medieval_Villa _Magna_Italy_R55,6.32,0.00,1.47,0.24,36.06,27.04,0.10,0.00,7.59,0.00,21.04,0.14
Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105,6.44,0.32,4.78,0.53,36.54,27.56,0.00,0.00,5.54,0.00,17.97,0.32
Lombard_Buried_Rome_R106,9.84,0.00,0.93,0.00,33.19,39.41,0.75,0.00,4.06,0.00,11.00,0.81
Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108,5.73,0.00,1.77,0.97,35.80,35.18,0.00,0.00,4.99,0.00,15.30,0.26
Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0.00,5.24,0.00,18.96,0.17
Carthagutlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111,6.68,0.00,0.53,0.35,37.36,17.99,0.00,0.00,9.60,0.00,26.98,0.51
Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116,5.47,0.42,1.19,0.19,43.87,34.16,0.00,0.00,3.74,0.00,10.63,0.33
Late_Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1219,5.17,1.04,0.65,0.00,33.82,41.08,0.60,1.05,1.48,0.00,14.71,0.39
Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285,3.81,0.00,0.85,0.00,37.37,17.26,1.47,0.56,9.42,0.11,28.92,0.22

 

[Lukas]

K13 ancient

looks good

except , I thought someone said col001_col001 = sample CL23 ............which is also present

Ok I deleted those col00... samples.

 

[Duarte]

My results "Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet" with following sources: Vahaduo default + post #185(Jovialis) + post # 205(Duarte):

 

[Duarte]

Added Collegno, Szolad and Crusader samples to K13 ancient http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm

My new results:

**I12649_low_quality = Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) - I12649
***CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem = Crusader Knight French/Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-40

 

[Angela]

My results "Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet" with following sources: Vahaduo default + post #185(Jovialis) + post # 205(Duarte):

We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C4FF00, align: right"]5.77578566[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]7.01325174[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.63776145[/TD]
[TD]Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF100, align: right"]7.91022756[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE700, align: right"]8.19289936[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.54513312[/TD]
[TD]Carthagutlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCE00, align: right"]8.92685275[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.18970076[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30455265[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.53899890[/TD]
[TD]IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA900, align: right"]10.03918323[/TD]
[TD]LA_Celio_R36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59019358[/TD]
[TD]Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59060433[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59347441[/TD]
[TD]IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8000, align: right"]11.24687068[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.65493029[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7000, align: right"]11.69325019[/TD]
[TD]Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6700, align: right"]11.96830815[/TD]
[TD]LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.28989015[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.95066408[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4000, align: right"]13.11054156[/TD]
[TD]Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.55524253[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2B00, align: right"]13.74531193[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.78103407[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2800, align: right"]13.81326174[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1B00, align: right"]14.21060168[/TD]
[TD]LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0700, align: right"]14.78568565[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0500, align: right"]14.83840625[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0300, align: right"]14.92438943[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R1290[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0200, align: right"]14.93139980[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R475[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.07093560[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000F, align: right"]15.44809697[/TD]
[TD]Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0019, align: right"]15.74071790[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001C, align: right"]15.83666632[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001D, align: right"]15.85858758[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002A, align: right"]16.22560939[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0040, align: right"]16.87495481[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0044, align: right"]16.98617379[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0054, align: right"]17.48096679[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0068, align: right"]18.06676783[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0074, align: right"]18.41931323[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R65[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007C, align: right"]18.65583823[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.05637689[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009B, align: right"]19.54686931[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A1, align: right"]19.73342596[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AC, align: right"]20.05532598[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AF, align: right"]20.15096027[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B1, align: right"]20.21236008[/TD]
[TD]Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B2, align: right"]20.22217842[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D4, align: right"]21.22178362[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Duarte]

We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C4FF00, align: right"]5.77578566[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]7.01325174[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.63776145[/TD]
[TD]Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF100, align: right"]7.91022756[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE700, align: right"]8.19289936[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.54513312[/TD]
[TD]Carthagutlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCE00, align: right"]8.92685275[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.18970076[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30455265[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.53899890[/TD]
[TD]IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA900, align: right"]10.03918323[/TD]
[TD]LA_Celio_R36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59019358[/TD]
[TD]Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59060433[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.59347441[/TD]
[TD]IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8000, align: right"]11.24687068[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.65493029[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7000, align: right"]11.69325019[/TD]
[TD]Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6700, align: right"]11.96830815[/TD]
[TD]LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.28989015[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.95066408[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4000, align: right"]13.11054156[/TD]
[TD]Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.55524253[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2B00, align: right"]13.74531193[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.78103407[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2800, align: right"]13.81326174[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1B00, align: right"]14.21060168[/TD]
[TD]LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0700, align: right"]14.78568565[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0500, align: right"]14.83840625[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0300, align: right"]14.92438943[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R1290[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0200, align: right"]14.93139980[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R475[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.07093560[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000F, align: right"]15.44809697[/TD]
[TD]Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0019, align: right"]15.74071790[/TD]
[TD]Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001C, align: right"]15.83666632[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001D, align: right"]15.85858758[/TD]
[TD]MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002A, align: right"]16.22560939[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0040, align: right"]16.87495481[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0044, align: right"]16.98617379[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0054, align: right"]17.48096679[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0068, align: right"]18.06676783[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0074, align: right"]18.41931323[/TD]
[TD]MA_Villa_Magna_R65[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007C, align: right"]18.65583823[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.05637689[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009B, align: right"]19.54686931[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A1, align: right"]19.73342596[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AC, align: right"]20.05532598[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AF, align: right"]20.15096027[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B1, align: right"]20.21236008[/TD]
[TD]Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B2, align: right"]20.22217842[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D4, align: right"]21.22178362[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

ˆˆHi Angela. Happy NY.
I think there must be an ancestral connection of Italians and Galicians. My maternal great-grandfather was a Portuguese immigrant from the historical region of Portugal called "Trás-os-Montes and Alto Douro", northern border of Portugal and bordering southern Galicia.
Cheers

 

[Dou]

We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor.

Of my 10 closest samples at least 6 are IA, and my nearest non-Iberian place in G25 is North Italia (Lombardia). It doesn't seem to be something weird in Spain.
Edit: I've noticed that it's from another calculator, well it's the same. :ashamed2:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DCFF00, align: right"]6.48487471[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]8.69102986[/TD]
[TD]IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD500, align: right"]8.73305788[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.53303205[/TD]
[TD]I12516_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.04796994[/TD]
[TD]IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.22150185[/TD]
[TD]RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9C00, align: right"]10.40747808[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.51795608[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9700, align: right"]10.56828747[/TD]
[TD]IA_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.77071957[/TD]
[TD]CL94_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]10.79063019[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]10.94150355[/TD]
[TD]I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7F00, align: right"]11.27374383[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7E00, align: right"]11.30341984[/TD]
[TD]I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6E00, align: right"]11.77082835[/TD]
[TD]I12649_low_quality[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6900, align: right"]11.90969773[/TD]
[TD]I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.27101870[/TD]
[TD]I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.34169761[/TD]
[TD]I8203_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.41680313[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5200, align: right"]12.57931636[/TD]
[TD]ILK001_Neolithic_Podolia_GAC_I2a_I2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4F00, align: right"]12.66531879[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.94695331[/TD]
[TD]I3758_Celtiberian_U[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3500, align: right"]13.43898062[/TD]
[TD]I8474_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.55980826[/TD]
[TD]N38_Neolithic_Kujawy_GAC_culture[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2E00, align: right"]13.66013543[/TD]
[TD]RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

G25 map

K12b Duarte + Jovialis, All spanish regions first lol.
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #65FF00, align: right"]2.98337058[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]3.26111944[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #78FF00, align: right"]3.51485419[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7BFF00, align: right"]3.63123946[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A1FF00, align: right"]4.74488145[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.01586483[/TD]
[TD]Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37716468[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.07864294[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]6.66932530[/TD]
[TD]Cataluna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.03263109[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.29433342[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9FF00, align: right"]7.31586632[/TD]
[TD]Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.15364336[/TD]
[TD]Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.47230193[/TD]
[TD]Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.79476549[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16251603[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.92343353[/TD]
[TD]Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.13097276[/TD]
[TD]IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.25666757[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.30338165[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.35709513[/TD]
[TD]Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5000, align: right"]12.63451622[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.79595955[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2500, align: right"]13.91769737[/TD]
[TD]Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1300, align: right"]14.42872136[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Stuvanè]

My Dodecad k12 + Jovialis & Duarte Updates

I should then understand what that O_Italian really is (for now it only seems to me that he is located east of Tuscany...)

 

[torzio]

My Dodecad k12 + Jovialis & Duarte Updates

I should then understand what that O_Italian really is (for now it only seems to me that he is located east of Tuscany...)

IIRC, o_italians means other italians, that is italians who lived in ciuntries which had italians for centuries, like bordering italy with france, swiss, austria, slovenia croatia

So you could be swiss-italian as an exampl

 

[Angela]

Of my 10 closest samples at least 6 are IA, and my nearest non-Iberian place in G25 is North Italia (Lombardia). It doesn't seem to be something weird in Spain.
Edit: I've noticed that it's from another calculator, well it's the same. :ashamed2:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DCFF00, align: right"]6.48487471[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD700, align: right"]8.69102986[/TD]
[TD]IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD500, align: right"]8.73305788[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.53303205[/TD]
[TD]I12516_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.04796994[/TD]
[TD]IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.22150185[/TD]
[TD]RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9C00, align: right"]10.40747808[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.51795608[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9700, align: right"]10.56828747[/TD]
[TD]IA_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.77071957[/TD]
[TD]CL94_collegno_italy_longobard[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]10.79063019[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]10.94150355[/TD]
[TD]I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7F00, align: right"]11.27374383[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7E00, align: right"]11.30341984[/TD]
[TD]I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6E00, align: right"]11.77082835[/TD]
[TD]I12649_low_quality[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6900, align: right"]11.90969773[/TD]
[TD]I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.27101870[/TD]
[TD]I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.34169761[/TD]
[TD]I8203_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.41680313[/TD]
[TD]I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5200, align: right"]12.57931636[/TD]
[TD]ILK001_Neolithic_Podolia_GAC_I2a_I2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4F00, align: right"]12.66531879[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4600, align: right"]12.94695331[/TD]
[TD]I3758_Celtiberian_U[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3500, align: right"]13.43898062[/TD]
[TD]I8474_iberia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.55980826[/TD]
[TD]N38_Neolithic_Kujawy_GAC_culture[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2E00, align: right"]13.66013543[/TD]
[TD]RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

G25 map

K12b Duarte + Jovialis, All spanish regions first lol.
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #65FF00, align: right"]2.98337058[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]3.26111944[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #78FF00, align: right"]3.51485419[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7BFF00, align: right"]3.63123946[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A1FF00, align: right"]4.74488145[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.01586483[/TD]
[TD]Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37716468[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.07864294[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E3FF00, align: right"]6.66932530[/TD]
[TD]Cataluna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.03263109[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.29433342[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9FF00, align: right"]7.31586632[/TD]
[TD]Cantabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.15364336[/TD]
[TD]Valencia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]8.47230193[/TD]
[TD]Aragon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.79476549[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16251603[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.92343353[/TD]
[TD]Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.13097276[/TD]
[TD]IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.25666757[/TD]
[TD]IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.30338165[/TD]
[TD]IA_Latin_Ardea_R851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.35709513[/TD]
[TD]Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5000, align: right"]12.63451622[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R473[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.79595955[/TD]
[TD]IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2500, align: right"]13.91769737[/TD]
[TD]Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1300, align: right"]14.42872136[/TD]
[TD]IA_Civitavecchia_R474[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

G25 map of what, Juan? The dark red hot spot is indeed right over Emilia and perhaps bleeding into the Lunigiana.

I was talking about the K12b. In that one Duarte gets Italians in his first 25. I usually get Spaniards all the time in the oracles, although I get Northern Italians and Tuscans first, and Balkan peoples are sprinkled throughout as well. They're here too, but not in the first 25.

Perhaps it does have something to do with Galicia. Or perhaps it's what this map calls "Old Castille", and perhaps a bit of Aragon.

I've said before how much I liked Catalonia, but in Spain proper, these were my favorite cities: Burgos, Segovia, Avila, Toledo, Zaragoza. I liked Pamplona too, although it's not the same province; went twice for the bullfights. Blame it on Hemingway. They were also the areas where I thought the people looked most "Italian".


@stuvane,
I've noticed before you don't get 1015 and 1016. Maybe too "western"???

 

[Salento]

so Salento is more exacting as it is a certain area of puglia?

I’m changing my answer: maybe not!

Ancestry and 23 raw-data give different results for Salento e Puglia.

... Puglia went up and Salento went down.

 

[Salento]

never mind.

Deleted

 

[Angela]

G25 map of what, Juan? The dark red hot spot is indeed right over Emilia and perhaps bleeding into the Lunigiana.

I was talking about the K12b. In that one Duarte gets Italians in his first 25. I usually get Spaniards all the time in the oracles, although I get Northern Italians and Tuscans first, and Balkan peoples are sprinkled throughout as well. They're here too, but not in the first 25.

Perhaps it does have something to do with Galicia. Or perhaps it's what this map calls "Old Castille", and perhaps a bit of Aragon.

I've said before how much I liked Catalonia, but in Spain proper, these were my favorite cities: Burgos, Segovia, Avila, Toledo, Zaragoza. I liked Pamplona too, although it's not the same province; went twice for the bullfights. Blame it on Hemingway. They were also the areas where I thought the people looked most "Italian".


@Stuvane,
I've noticed before you don't get 1015 and 1016. Maybe too "western"???

Zaragoza of course used to be the Roman city of Caesaraugusta.

Interesting maps:

Note where the Roman villas were located. So, not just Baetica by any means, although that's where we have a lot of remains from that time period.

The first legions were full of men from that area, so maybe that explains it? Maybe they settled? Just speculating, of course.

For the hot spot area, first were the Neolithic people, then the Liguri and Etruschi (Golasecca somewhere in there as well, perhaps before the "Liguri" and "Etruschi"?), then the Galli, and then the "Latini". Parma was founded by Romans in 183 BCE.

I really want to know what the Golasecca people were like...

 

[Jovialis]

Added Collegno, Szolad and Crusader samples to K13 ancient http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm

 

[Jovialis]

Zaragoza of course used to be the Roman city of Caesaraugusta.

Interesting maps:

Note where the Roman villas were located. So, not just Baetica by any means, although that's where we have a lot of remains from that time period.

The first legions were full of men from that area, so maybe that explains it? Maybe they settled? Just speculating, of course.

For the hot spot area, first were the Neolithic people, then the Liguri and Etruschi (Golasecca somewhere in there as well, perhaps before the "Liguri" and "Etruschi"?), then the Galli, and then the "Latini". Parma was founded by Romans in 183 BCE.

I really want to know what the Golasecca people were like...

Given the history of Illyrians in Puglia, I was a bit surprised to see that Apulians didn't get closer fits, at least according to MTA. Though I believe culturally (and genetically), the people there were very Greek influenced. I recall reading that the Messapi had projected their power onto the other Iapygian Tribes, so perhaps they were the real Illyrian-derived people? It is very murky to me. Nevertheless, me and Salento, are almost genetic twins, so perhaps the impact did not last to be so significant? idk.

 

[torzio]

Given the history of Illyrians in Puglia, I was a bit surprised to see that Apulians didn't get closer fits, at least according to MTA. Though I believe culturally (and genetically), the people there were very Greek influenced. I recall reading that the Messapi had projected their power onto the other Iapygian Tribes, so perhaps they were the real Illyrian-derived people? It is very murky to me. Nevertheless, me and Salento, are almost genetic twins, so perhaps the impact did not last to be so significant? idk.

Which are the puglia samples ID's that you guys match in ?

R1 protovillanovan as per data was born in Nis, Liburian lands and died in North-picene ( marche region ) ....no where near Puglia

BTW.....where do you guys place your updates ...post #1?