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This time I get better matches than all of you, i can't always lose :satisfied: Distance: 2.0202%. 17.7.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005D, align: right"]17.74995493[/TD]
[TD]I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AD, align: right"]20.10197751[/TD]
[TD]I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B2, align: right"]20.23584196[/TD]
[TD]I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.90076314[/TD]
[TD]I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F000FF, align: right"]22.94212501[/TD]
[TD]I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C000FF, align: right"]24.36251013[/TD]
[TD]I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7F00FF, align: right"]26.25983816[/TD]
[TD]I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3B00FF, align: right"]28.26423889[/TD]
[TD]I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1B00FF, align: right"]29.21711314[/TD]
[TD]I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1500FF, align: right"]29.38450782[/TD]
[TD]I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]29.99218398[/TD]
[TD]I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.17544532[/TD]
[TD]I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.06484025[/TD]
[TD]I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.40982649[/TD]
[TD]I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.43425679[/TD]
[TD]I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.28410909[/TD]
[TD]I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.54585534[/TD]
[TD]I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.56844946[/TD]
[TD]I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.56844946[/TD]
[TD]I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.71311358[/TD]
[TD]I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.30634174[/TD]
[TD]I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.50773578[/TD]
[TD]I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.62423924[/TD]
[TD]I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.51375881[/TD]
[TD]I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.46820765[/TD]
[TD]I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.41933025[/TD]
[TD]I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.51135813[/TD]
[TD]I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.09770769[/TD]
[TD]I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.27025373[/TD]
[TD]I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.63087657[/TD]
[TD]I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]63.09978685[/TD]
[TD]I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.14828087[/TD]
[TD]I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.35273904[/TD]
[TD]I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.67887027[/TD]
[TD]I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]66.27236000[/TD]
[TD]I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.05947733[/TD]
[TD]I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.18067430[/TD]
[TD]I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]68.36142406[/TD]
[TD]I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]68.49030442[/TD]
[TD]I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]69.09947684[/TD]
[TD]I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]72.14151856[/TD]
[TD]I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]74.48639137[/TD]
[TD]I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]74.95929762[/TD]
[TD]I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Juan
Distance: 2.0202% / 2.02023645[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]51.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]17.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE[/TD]
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Torzio: Wow I did not know that I0795 is the oldest neolithic sample found to date, and in Germany, hmm.. Really good to know. I wonder if the Neolithic EEF being more dominate in Central Europe vs further North towards Denmark and Scandanavia where more I guess Hunter gather (WHG, EHG, etc) were still dominate impacted the the Steppe migrants on the route further South who crossed into Italy I guess around modern Veneto. Given all of these hits those of us of Italian ancestry from all over Italy are getting with the Roman samples, it suggest to me, not making this as a dogmatic statement, that the migrants who brought in Latin into Italy also had some significant neolithic European ancestry (EEF) and thus did not substantially change the DNA present in Italy before those steppe migrants arrived.

Am I off base with my hypothesis?
Click to expand...

Further info is that they are hunters chasing the red deer of northern germany
There are papers on this group , also found was ydna H and C with these T
 
Dou said:
This time I get better matches than all of you, i can't always lose :satisfied: Distance: 2.0202%. 17.7.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005D, align: right"]17.74995493[/TD]
[TD]I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AD, align: right"]20.10197751[/TD]
[TD]I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B2, align: right"]20.23584196[/TD]
[TD]I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.90076314[/TD]
[TD]I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F000FF, align: right"]22.94212501[/TD]
[TD]I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C000FF, align: right"]24.36251013[/TD]
[TD]I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7F00FF, align: right"]26.25983816[/TD]
[TD]I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3B00FF, align: right"]28.26423889[/TD]
[TD]I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1B00FF, align: right"]29.21711314[/TD]
[TD]I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1500FF, align: right"]29.38450782[/TD]
[TD]I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]29.99218398[/TD]
[TD]I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.17544532[/TD]
[TD]I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.06484025[/TD]
[TD]I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.40982649[/TD]
[TD]I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.43425679[/TD]
[TD]I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.28410909[/TD]
[TD]I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.54585534[/TD]
[TD]I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.56844946[/TD]
[TD]I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.56844946[/TD]
[TD]I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.71311358[/TD]
[TD]I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.30634174[/TD]
[TD]I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.50773578[/TD]
[TD]I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.62423924[/TD]
[TD]I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.51375881[/TD]
[TD]I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.46820765[/TD]
[TD]I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.41933025[/TD]
[TD]I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.51135813[/TD]
[TD]I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.09770769[/TD]
[TD]I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.27025373[/TD]
[TD]I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]62.63087657[/TD]
[TD]I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]63.09978685[/TD]
[TD]I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.14828087[/TD]
[TD]I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.35273904[/TD]
[TD]I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.67887027[/TD]
[TD]I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]66.27236000[/TD]
[TD]I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.05947733[/TD]
[TD]I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.18067430[/TD]
[TD]I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]68.36142406[/TD]
[TD]I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]68.49030442[/TD]
[TD]I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]69.09947684[/TD]
[TD]I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]72.14151856[/TD]
[TD]I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]74.48639137[/TD]
[TD]I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]74.95929762[/TD]
[TD]I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Juan
Distance: 2.0202% / 2.02023645[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]51.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]17.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE[/TD]
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It's about what I would expect for Spaniards, i.e. the same or less Yamnaya than Italians, but more European WHG.

That's why, for example, Duarte and Carlos are closer to MN samples than to EN samples, whereas I'm closer to the EN samples, a whole raft of LBK ones coming before any of the MN ones. I'm also at a distance of 21 to the Italian Neolithic.

Maybe I did something wrong, however, because my overall distance is closer. What, did we hang out on our mountains until the 20th century? :)

This isn't a competition, Dou. I'm trying to figure out what makes these results possible.

This is with no distance column...About 70% early and middle Neolithic, which I get on most calculators.

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2, align: center"]Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2990% / 1.29897586[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]39.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]17.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]15.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Ru ssia_3305-2925_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_R ussia_3021-2635_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_barchartmode1 cms_table_nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara _Russia_3010-2622_calBCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


It seems amazing to me that the program could get this close for me using just EEF and WHG and Yamnaya, with a whopping 55% just from the European EN, and then another 17% MN.
 
torzio said:
Further info is that they are hunters chasing the red deer of northern germany
There are papers on this group , also found was ydna H and C with these T
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Torzio: Ok, so these were Hunter Gatherers who then settled down and intermarried with Neolithic Early European Farmers and changed culturally from Hunter Gatherers to Early Farmers, ( i..e adopted farming technology and moved away from the Hunter Gatherer lifestyle).
 
There's some confusion once again. Sample 10795 is a Neolithic farmer. Any hunter-gatherer in the sample would be a minor component.
 
Angela: Ok, thanks for that clarification. In my case, I would ex ante expect to cluster closer to populations, ancient or modern with predominantly Early European Farmer (Neolithic) ancestry. vs. WHG.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Torzio: Ok, so these were Hunter Gatherers who then settled down and intermarried with Neolithic Early European Farmers and changed culturally from Hunter Gatherers to Early Farmers, ( i..e adopted farming technology and moved away from the Hunter Gatherer lifestyle).
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There are papers on this , i will send privately...but there are three settlement, karsdorf, derenburg and halberstadt...karsdorf only had 20 adults
And 4 children found at the site...
Only admixture split officially i have seen states...70% anatolian, 20% whg/eef, 9% scandinavian whg, dregs levant
 
torzio said:
There are papers on this , i will send privately...but there are three settlement, karsdorf, derenburg and halberstadt...karsdorf only had 20 adults
And 4 children found at the site...
Only admixture split officially i have seen states...70% anatolian, 20% whg/eef, 9% scandinavian whg, dregs levant
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Ok thanks, the 70% Anatolian makes sense given how Raveane et al (2019) paper indicates, all of Modern Italian DNA is characterized by a predominate source population from Ancient Anatolia (EEF). I would be surprised if I cluster that close to a WHG. I just went back and looked at my distance from I2158_WHG, which is the ancient Sicilian Hunter Gather found in Western Sicily who dates maybe to 10,000-12,000 BC I guess. My distance is 60.86 to that Sicilian_WHG, whereas to the Italian Bell Beaker Samples, I am 18.25 to I1979_Northern Italian Bell Beaker and 20.92 to I4930 Sicilian_Bell Beaker, which I think are more EEF ancestry vs. WHG or Steppe.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Ok thanks, the 70% Anatolian makes sense given how Raveane et al (2019) paper indicates, all of Modern Italian DNA is characterized by a predominate source population from Ancient Anatolia (EEF). I would be surprised if I cluster that close to a WHG. I just went back and looked at my distance from I2158_WHG, which is the ancient Sicilian Hunter Gather found in Western Sicily who dates maybe to 10,000-12,000 BC I guess. My distance is 60.86 to that Sicilian_WHG, whereas to the Italian Bell Beaker Samples, I am 18.25 to I1979_Northern Italian Bell Beaker and 20.92 to I4930 Sicilian_Bell Beaker, which I think are more EEF ancestry vs. WHG or Steppe.
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Ask jovialis to upload the other 2 samples from the site...yhat way we can see if they are related plus find out if you match all three

Also if you run that sample through k36 you get 57% italian
 
Angela said:
It's about what I would expect for Spaniards, i.e. the same or less Yamnaya than Italians, but more European WHG.
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That is also true but I have less of Yamnaya, at least with northern Italians.

I vs North Italians averages in G25.


[TD="class: multiheader, align: center"]Target[/TD]
[TD="class: multiheader, colspan: 2, align: center"]Distance[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Anatolia_Barcin_N[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Gambian[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Han[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]MAR_Iberomaurusian[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]WHG[/TD]
[TD="class: multisources"]Yamnaya_RUS_Samara[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Juan_scaled[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.04797037[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #58A2DA, align: right"]55.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445885, align: right"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #436FAE, align: right"]27.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02767704[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #539BD6, align: right"]51.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445781, align: right"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4885C7, align: right"]40.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Bergamo[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02661723[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #59A4DB, align: right"]56.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445278, align: right"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4278BC, align: right"]32.8[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03328014[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #447EC1, align: right"]36.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4469A5, align: right"]23.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F72, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547D, align: right"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4277BB, align: right"]32.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Lombardy[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.03101336[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5299D4, align: right"]50.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #455987, align: right"]11.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547C, align: right"]5.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4277BB, align: right"]32.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Northeast[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02487240[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #56A0D9, align: right"]54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557F, align: right"]7.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4682C4, align: right"]38.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Piedmont[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02085359[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4784C6, align: right"]39.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4468A2, align: right"]22.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #4279BD, align: right"]33.4[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02447698[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5AA6DC, align: right"]57.4[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445681, align: right"]8.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437BBF, align: right"]34.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02234674[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #549DD7, align: right"]52.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44547B, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557F, align: right"]7.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #437BBF, align: right"]34.6[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02010503[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #447EC1, align: right"]36.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #446AA6, align: right"]24.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #444455, align: right"]0.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44537A, align: right"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #427ABE, align: right"]34.0[/TD]

[TD="class: multitargets, align: right"]Average[/TD]
[TD="class: multidistance, bgcolor: #777777"]0.02792129[/TD]
[TD="class: nonselectable multidistchart"]•[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #5196D2, align: right"]49.0[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #445783, align: right"]9.1[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434E70, align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #434F71, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #44557E, align: right"]6.9[/TD]
[TD="class: multiresult, bgcolor: #427ABE, align: right"]34.0[/TD]
 
Salento: I think I0795 is 70% Anatolian if I read correctly, more EEF in the first part of the link you cited and then the note says they are 70% WHG and 30% Basal Eurasian. What am I missing here? There seems to be some inconsistency or am I totally "pazzo" in what I am reading.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: I think I0795 is 70% Anatolian if I read correctly, more EEF in the first part of the link you cited and then the note says they are 70% WHG and 30% Basal Eurasian. What am I missing here? There seems to be some inconsistency or am I totally "pazzo" in what I am reading.
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I am not home atm....but search for
Settlement burials at the karsdorf lbk site...by Guido Brandt and Corinna Knipper
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: I think I0795 is 70% Anatolian if I read correctly, more EEF in the first part of the link you cited and then the note says they are 70% WHG and 30% Basal Eurasian. What am I missing here? There seems to be some inconsistency or am I totally "pazzo" in what I am reading.
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It’s not you or me ... it’s information on the same page that doesn’t match!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsdorf_remains
 
torzio said:
Thanks
Do you have 3rd sample as well

Strange how these sample is your number 1 and for me it is not
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I0795 is the only Karsdorf sample in the Dod K12 Sample List (I think).

... why strange ???
 
They just inadvertently switched labels in one part of the article.

The left hand column is 10795.

[TABLE="class: wikitable floatright, width: 35%"]
[TR]
[TD]Neolithic Anatolia/Southeast Europe: 70.56%, Caucasus Hunter / Early European Farmer: 19.86%, Scandinavian / West European Hunter: 9.34%, Paleolithic Levant (Natufians): 0.24%[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic Anatolia/Southeast Europe: 56.23%, Paleolithic Levant (Natufians): 16.56%, Caucasus Hunter / Early European Farmer: 14.19%, Scandinavian / West European Hunter: 9.64%, Neolithic Iran: 2.54%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]puntDNAL K12 Ancient[/TD]
[TD]59% Anatolia Neolithic Farmer + 24% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer + 10% European Hunter-Gatherer + 7% Near Eastern[/TD]
[TD]60% Anatolia Neolithic Farmer + 27% European Hunter-Gatherer + 9% Near Eastern + 2% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer + 2% Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Dodecad [dv3][/TD]
[TD]69.1% Mediterranean + 21% West European + 10% Southwest Asian[/TD]
[TD]64.2% Mediterranean + 17.4% West European + 10.5% Southwest Asian + 4.2% West Asian + 3.7% Northwest African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Eurogenes [K=36][/TD]
[TD]56.9% Italian + 31.9% West Mediterranean + 6.3% Iberian + 2.1% Basque + 1.3% North African + 0.9 East Balkan + 0.3% East Mediterranean + 0.3% Arabian[/TD]
[TD]37.1% Italian + 21% West Mediterranean + 16.9% Iberian + 11.8 East Balkan + 7.7% Armenian + 5.5% East Mediterranean + 0.05% North African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Dodecad [Globe13][/TD]
[TD]67.4% Mediterranean + 16.5% Southwest Asian + 16% North European[/TD]
[TD]61% Mediterranean + 19.7% Southwest Asian + 19.2% North European[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


In K12b:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Sample10795[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C7, align: right"]20.85221331[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D3, align: right"]21.20183483[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F600FF, align: right"]22.76941668[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F200FF, align: right"]22.88848457[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EF00FF, align: right"]22.95763870[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D100FF, align: right"]23.84025168[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C200FF, align: right"]24.28752859[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.78945542[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.79294536[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A800FF, align: right"]25.06308636[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7400FF, align: right"]26.59511609[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7200FF, align: right"]26.65958034[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7100FF, align: right"]26.68529932[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5D00FF, align: right"]27.27862914[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.43312979[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5600FF, align: right"]27.46214850[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2E00FF, align: right"]28.65023440[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2400FF, align: right"]28.94996356[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1800FF, align: right"]29.29094741[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.75898564[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.79006008[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.97452111[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cappadocia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.55293228[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.03171355[/TD]
[TD]Nusayri_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.26316127[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


From the beginning of the ancient dna revolution it was clear that European Jews had a lot of EEF.

This is why so much of what has been written about Italian genetics on blogs is absolute garbage. I said until I was blue in the face that this "Levantine" and Caucasus ancestry was in the Neolithic farmers, and that Italy, even without very recent migrations, would show some of it at least by the Copper and Bronze Age. Not to say more didn't arrive after that, but people think too linearly. Others have their own agendas.

A sample from Neolithic Germany already has all this S.W. Asian and Caucasus or Near Eastern or whatever they want to call it.
 
@Dou,
Any tool created by Davidski is going to inflate the amount of Yamnaya, and for moderns the amount of East European.
 
Angela said:
They just inadvertently switched labels in one part of the article.

The left hand column is 10795.

[TABLE="class: wikitable floatright, width: 35%"]
[TR]
[TD]Neolithic Anatolia/Southeast Europe: 70.56%, Caucasus Hunter / Early European Farmer: 19.86%, Scandinavian / West European Hunter: 9.34%, Paleolithic Levant (Natufians): 0.24%[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic Anatolia/Southeast Europe: 56.23%, Paleolithic Levant (Natufians): 16.56%, Caucasus Hunter / Early European Farmer: 14.19%, Scandinavian / West European Hunter: 9.64%, Neolithic Iran: 2.54%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]puntDNAL K12 Ancient[/TD]
[TD]59% Anatolia Neolithic Farmer + 24% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer + 10% European Hunter-Gatherer + 7% Near Eastern[/TD]
[TD]60% Anatolia Neolithic Farmer + 27% European Hunter-Gatherer + 9% Near Eastern + 2% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer + 2% Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Dodecad [dv3][/TD]
[TD]69.1% Mediterranean + 21% West European + 10% Southwest Asian[/TD]
[TD]64.2% Mediterranean + 17.4% West European + 10.5% Southwest Asian + 4.2% West Asian + 3.7% Northwest African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Eurogenes [K=36][/TD]
[TD]56.9% Italian + 31.9% West Mediterranean + 6.3% Iberian + 2.1% Basque + 1.3% North African + 0.9 East Balkan + 0.3% East Mediterranean + 0.3% Arabian[/TD]
[TD]37.1% Italian + 21% West Mediterranean + 16.9% Iberian + 11.8 East Balkan + 7.7% Armenian + 5.5% East Mediterranean + 0.05% North African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #333366"]Dodecad [Globe13][/TD]
[TD]67.4% Mediterranean + 16.5% Southwest Asian + 16% North European[/TD]
[TD]61% Mediterranean + 19.7% Southwest Asian + 19.2% North European[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


In K12b:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Sample10795[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C7, align: right"]20.85221331[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D3, align: right"]21.20183483[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F600FF, align: right"]22.76941668[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F200FF, align: right"]22.88848457[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EF00FF, align: right"]22.95763870[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D100FF, align: right"]23.84025168[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C200FF, align: right"]24.28752859[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.78945542[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.79294536[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A800FF, align: right"]25.06308636[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7400FF, align: right"]26.59511609[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7200FF, align: right"]26.65958034[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7100FF, align: right"]26.68529932[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5D00FF, align: right"]27.27862914[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5700FF, align: right"]27.43312979[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5600FF, align: right"]27.46214850[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2E00FF, align: right"]28.65023440[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2400FF, align: right"]28.94996356[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1800FF, align: right"]29.29094741[/TD]
[TD]Cypriots[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.75898564[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.79006008[/TD]
[TD]Sardinian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.97452111[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cappadocia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.55293228[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.03171355[/TD]
[TD]Nusayri_Turkey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.26316127[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


From the beginning of the ancient dna revolution it was clear that European Jews had a lot of EEF.

This is why so much of what has been written about Italian genetics on blogs is absolute garbage. I said until I was blue in the face that this "Levantine" and Caucasus ancestry was in the Neolithic farmers, and that Italy, even without very recent migrations, would show some of it at least by the Copper and Bronze Age. Not to say more didn't arrive after that, but people think too linearly. Others have their own agendas.

A sample from Neolithic Germany already has all this S.W. Asian and Caucasus or Near Eastern or whatever they want to call it.
Click to expand...


I agree, I am seriously beginning to wonder what is it with some of these Blogs that constantly talk about "Levantine" and Caucus Admixture in Italian populations and Greek, etc, and in particular modern Italians From Rome to Sicily, when it is more and more evident this DNA was already in Europe well before any recent migrations that the Moots Roman paper documented. The narrative for years on the internet and youtube is that these Iron Age Romans were 100% Steppe and recent admixture from the Middle East changed the phenotypes from Viking looking blonde hair and blue eyed with Fitzpatrick Type 1 skin tone to Brown/Dark hair, brown eyed and Say Fitzpatrick Type 3 skin tone, etc. I think that narrative is piece by piece being put to rest.
 
Torzio: I did a search and the Brandt and Knipper published a paper in 2014 in the Proceedings of the British Academy entitled "Settlement Burials at the Karsdorf LBK Site,Saxony-Anhalt, Germany" They report that the Karsdorf individuals have on average about 60% of their DNA from Neolithic sources and the and other contemporary LBK sites show 70-100% Neolithic. A full version of the paper can be found at Prof. Brandt's research Gate site.
 
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