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@Archetype0ne
Your K36 SZ32 is 1.502325531 (divide by 10) as per @mlukas suggestion,
... because K36 gives high distances by default
The K36 results in Vahaduo are closer to the Conservative Mode results of another k36 calculator with the same modern data samples ...
a small example: R1 - K36
Ancient:
Yes, or 0.739 from another file at yourDNAportal.so should the first number read .............0.728 ?
Yes, or 0.739 from another file at yourDNAportal.
also smile and be Happy,
Miss R1 didn’t have any hair on her back, lol
I have the same back hair results as she does
by looking, I Think :
we say that the distance is how close we are to a sample, but it’s also the % of how different we are from it.
I’m close enough to make a one to one comparison to a Dod K12 sample.
The Apulian sample below is 3.13% different than me
and in the Single below it matches my distance
and:
... all together, I’m about 2.07 % different than the samples below:
I think your explanation makes a lot of sense, on how these % mean distances.
However, as for the division by a factor of 10 for K calculators... I still doubt it. Say 0.7% is way too close in the example from your last post... and 0.2% to a Villa Magna sample makes even less sense from the example I'm quoting in this reply.. that's even closer than G25's 2%...
Would be interesting if mlucas would give his two cents to my posts 926, 928.
Distance to: | Duarte |
---|---|
15.78606981 | Alberstedt_LN_I0118 |
17.27425831 | Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 |
17.66748426 | Vatya_SG_RISE479 |
18.12622410 | Hungary_BA_I1502 |
18.29672102 | Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 |
18.61209284 | Unetice_EBA_I0117 |
20.58786050 | Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 |
21.22804748 | Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 |
21.32393022 | BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 |
22.28295313 | Hungary_CA_I1497 |
23.59555043 | Iceman_MN_SG |
24.03497452 | BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 |
24.22395509 | Baalberge_MN_I0560 |
24.76368309 | Iberia_M_I0406 |
24.82599444 | Epserstedt_MN_I0172 |
24.97779013 | Potapovka_I0419 |
25.05434094 | Hungary_EN_I0495 |
26.19236530 | Srubnaya_I0430 |
26.63343763 | Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 |
27.47762726 | Iberia_EN_I0412 |
27.75103602 | Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 |
28.88390555 | LBK_EN_I0054 |
28.99499957 | Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 |
29.56010825 | Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 |
29.69898988 | Srubnaya_I0232 |
Thanks @mlukas.
Puntndnal K12 Ancient is quite interesting to do the analysis of very ancient ancestry components, specially in the single mode (admixture).
This is the analysis that I made of my very anciente admixture (single mode) displayed by this calculator.
Bichon's man is a WHG discovered at the "Grotte du Bichon" located north of the Western Alps.
The Iceman is the famous Otzi, a male from chalcolitic age that lived in the Alps.
Ust'-Ishim is a very ancient specimen from North Eurasian Upper Paleolithic. Ust'-Ishim belongs to pan-Eurasian mitochondrial (mtDNA) haplogroup R* and it's genome is slightly close to Mesolithic Iberian La Brana-1 and Upper Paleolithic Siberian MA-1 (or Mal'ta boy).
Kotias Klde, discovered in Georgia, is Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer (CHG). The Caucasus hunter-gatherers contributed significantly to modern European populations by way of the Yamna people. Around half of the Yamna people's DNA come from the Caucasus hunter-gatherers. The Caucasus hunter-gatherers also contributed genetically to modern Central Asians and South Asians.
Hungary_CA is a specimen from the chalcolitic in Central Europe, and maybe belongs to the CW culture.\
AnatolianNeolithic is an Anatolian Neolitic Farmer - ANF.
Distance to: Duarte 15.78606981 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 17.27425831 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 17.66748426 Vatya_SG_RISE479 18.12622410 Hungary_BA_I1502 18.29672102 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 18.61209284 Unetice_EBA_I0117 20.58786050 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 21.22804748 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 21.32393022 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 22.28295313 Hungary_CA_I1497 23.59555043 Iceman_MN_SG 24.03497452 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 24.22395509 Baalberge_MN_I0560 24.76368309 Iberia_M_I0406 24.82599444 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 24.97779013 Potapovka_I0419 25.05434094 Hungary_EN_I0495 26.19236530 Srubnaya_I0430 26.63343763 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 27.47762726 Iberia_EN_I0412 27.75103602 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 28.88390555 LBK_EN_I0054 28.99499957 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 29.56010825 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 29.69898988 Srubnaya_I0232
Distance to: | Angela |
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19.92385254 | Alberstedt_LN_I0118 |
21.38129790 | Iceman_MN_SG |
21.59397833 | Hungary_CA_I1497 |
21.60184946 | Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 |
22.73213364 | Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 |
23.09112167 | Hungary_EN_I0495 |
23.12011894 | Unetice_EBA_I0117 |
23.89183752 | Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 |
24.97878900 | Iberia_EN_I0412 |
25.11234557 | LBK_EN_I0054 |
25.14696602 | BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 |
25.28378730 | Vatya_SG_RISE479 |
25.75441516 | Epserstedt_MN_I0172 |
25.88725362 | Hungary_BA_I1502 |
26.47262548 | BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 |
26.54580758 | Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 |
26.63963025 | Baalberge_MN_I0560 |
26.91170563 | Stuttgart_SG |
27.51072336 | Starcevo_MN_I0174 |
27.61557350 | Iberia_M_I0406 |
28.21967222 | Srubnaya_I0430 |
28.60314493 | Potapovka_I0419 |
29.32967610 | Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 |
29.83420688 | Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 |
31.07056324 | Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 |
32.68393948 | Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 |
32.77651446 | Srubnaya_I0232 |
33.49940149 | Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 |
34.01499522 | Andronovo_SG_RISE505 |
34.07124741 | Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 |
34.45837924 | Armenian_MBA |
34.66525494 | Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 |
37.27197204 | Kostenki14_UP_SG |
38.59520566 | Scythian_IA_I0247 |
45.45690157 | Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 |
48.59794131 | Poltavka_I0440 |
49.21503734 | Yamnaya_Samara_I0231 |
49.79407495 | Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 |
50.45859590 | Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552 |
51.90260013 | MA1_SG |
57.03007891 | Ust_Ishim_DG |
58.49760593 | Samara_Eneolithic_I0433 |
63.49984173 | Samara_HG_I0124 |
64.67750691 | AnatolianNeolithic_I0746 |
65.12196173 | Hungary_HG_I1507 |
65.31844992 | Bichon |
65.52983977 | AnatolianNeolithic_I0745 |
74.57955417 | Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 |
79.74628455 | Karelia_HG_I0061 |
80.86587599 | Kotias_Kide_KK |
Target: Angela Distance: 0.4917% / 0.49170926 | |
---|---|
22.2 | LBK_EN_I0054 |
19.0 | Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 |
14.2 | Stuttgart_SG |
10.2 | Armenian_MBA |
6.4 | Starcevo_MN_I0174 |
5.8 | Kotias_Kide_KK |
5.6 | Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 |
4.2 | Iberia_M_I0406 |
3.0 | Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552 |
2.8 | Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 |
2.4 | Potapovka_I0419 |
1.4 | Baalberge_MN_I0560 |
1.2 | LaBrana |
0.6 | AnatolianNeolithic_I0745 |
0.4 | Andronovo_SG_RISE505 |
0.4 | Kostenki14_UP_SG |
0.2 | Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 |
these are the K36-Ancient coordinates I used ...
Distance to: | PalermoTrapani |
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9.38742244 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
13.85944804 | CL30_GreeksouthItalian |
13.91804584 | SZ36_northItalian |
14.80324627 | SZ19_Italian_Balkan |
14.83656631 | CL38_GreeksouthItalian |
15.58050384 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
15.80700794 | R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
15.91645375 | SZ32_northItalian |
17.21268137 | N_Bar8_Anatolia |
17.87645938 | CL36_northItalian |
17.89344293 | CL25_south_Italian |
18.04412370 | N_Bar31_Anatolia |
18.46390262 | EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 |
18.50104051 | SZ40_Italian |
18.67760691 | CL121__northItalian |
18.94370872 | R850_Iron_Age_Ardea |
19.09797110 | BA_I9006_Mycenean |
19.19162317 | BA_I9033_Mycenaean |
19.24412897 | EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 |
19.43110393 | CL31_Greek_Balkan |
19.44597131 | SZ1_GreekBalkan |
20.09655692 | CHL_Anatolian_I1584 |
20.27764533 | SZ37_Greek_Italian |
20.43723073 | EMA_Greek_STR_300 |
21.09759465 | SZ43_northItalian |
21.46843730 | N_Greece_Revenia5 |
21.50496222 | Crimean_Goth_Ker_1 |
21.52275772 | EN_Anatolia_Tep003 |
21.65731516 | EMA_Italian_STR_502 |
21.95546629 | N_Hungary_NE1_ |
22.00090907 | CL23_northItalian |
22.13096473 | BA_I9041_Mycenaean |
22.67735875 | I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD |
22.71274752 | SZ28_northItalian |
22.90390141 | I10892_Catalonia_medieval |
23.20863848 | N_Greece_Kleitos10 |
23.76315846 | BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi |
23.94855319 | CL57_northItalian |
24.37730502 | CHL_Armenia_I1632 |
24.71491048 | Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 |
24.91072661 | SZ45_Pannonian |
24.93148612 | BA_I9010_Mycenaean |
24.93221009 | EMA_northItalian_NW_54 |
25.07332248 | CHL_Armenia_I1407 |
25.13115596 | i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD |
25.34151535 | LBA_Armenia_RISE397 |
25.54769853 | EMA_Alpine_STR_310 |
25.69031530 | LBK_Germany_Stuttgart |
25.97307067 | SZ18_Pannonian |
26.32985188 | N_Levant_AinGhazal2 |
26.42564663 | N_Anatolia_I0707 |
26.42564663 | N_Anatolia_I0707_BAR2 |
26.59022189 | I3578_EMA_Andalusia |
26.75112521 | N_Levant__AinGhazal3 |
27.15734707 | N_Anatolia_I0709 |
27.15734707 | N_Anatolia_I0709_BAR20 |
27.38053506 | LBK_I0022_Germany |
27.38053506 | LBK_I0025_Germany |
27.39369818 | CL47_Alpine |
27.43572853 | CL94_Iberian |
27.63411298 | N_Levant_AinGhazal4 |
27.81500674 | BA_Hungary_BR2 |
27.90955392 | Gepid_Vim2 |
28.03148765 | LBK_Germany_I0100 |
28.34916048 | CL63_Alpine |
28.44541791 | EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108 |
28.47419885 | I1979_Beaker_North_Italy |
28.66457395 | MA2198_Anatolia_IA |
29.08394059 | DA199HungaryMedieval |
29.09438949 | N_Levant_AinGhazal1 |
29.15924553 | i3757_Celtiberian_IA |
29.16937606 | N_Anatolia_I0708 |
29.16937606 | N_Anatolia_I0708_BAR6 |
29.37205645 | i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD |
29.41679282 | EMA_northItalian_FN_2 |
29.45007810 | EMA_Alpine_STR_535 |
29.49586920 | BA_Hungary_RISE483 |
29.96892057 | BA_I0070_Minoan |
Target: PalermoTrapani Distance: 9.3874% / 9.38742244 | ADC: 2x | |
---|---|
100.0 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
Target: PalermoTrapani Distance: 7.7358% / 7.73581803 | ADC: 1x | |
---|---|
84.8 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
15.0 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
0.2 | CL30_GreeksouthItalian |
Target: PalermoTrapani Distance: 4.1692% / 4.16923406 | ADC: 0.5x | |
---|---|
49.4 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
21.8 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
7.6 | CL38_GreeksouthItalian |
4.6 | N_Levant_AinGhazal4 |
4.2 | BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi |
4.2 | SZ36_northItalian |
3.8 | CL30_GreeksouthItalian |
3.0 | N_Levant_AinGhazal2 |
1.4 | I1152_Israel_chalcolithic |
Target: PalermoTrapani Distance: 2.5922% / 2.59220221 | ADC: 0.25x | |
---|---|
30.2 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
25.8 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
19.8 | CL38_GreeksouthItalian |
7.4 | N_Levant_AinGhazal2 |
4.6 | N_Levant_AinGhazal4 |
4.2 | BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi |
3.6 | SZ36_northItalian |
3.0 | EBA_Jordan__I1705 |
1.0 | SZ1_GreekBalkan |
0.4 | N_Bar31_Anatolia |
Distance to: | Torziok12b |
---|---|
45.07513283 | Kostenki14_UP_SG |
49.77366372 | Ust_Ishim_DG |
50.88425690 | Scythian_IA_I0247 |
51.73246176 | Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 |
53.30992028 | Andronovo_SG_RISE505 |
53.31779815 | BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 |
53.63168466 | MA1_SG |
53.63168466 | Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 |
53.98460521 | Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 |
54.13841150 | Potapovka_I0419 |
54.14801566 | Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 |
54.27713699 | Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 |
54.52208360 | Alberstedt_LN_I0118 |
54.99906908 | Srubnaya_I0232 |
55.10887043 | Srubnaya_I0430 |
55.37470181 | Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 |
55.55553618 | Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 |
55.64106038 | Unetice_EBA_I0117 |
55.70401781 | Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 |
56.38570386 | Vatya_SG_RISE479 |
56.73577002 | BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 |
56.79584140 | Hungary_BA_I1502 |
57.03821175 | Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 |
57.35728027 | Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 |
58.31978738 | Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 |
Distance to: | Torziok12b |
---|---|
33.71776386 | Selkup |
37.69811136 | Chuvash |
39.32502511 | Altaian |
42.91756750 | Dolgan |
44.60053363 | Tuvinian |
45.78381373 | Turkmen |
47.31868130 | Hazara |
48.24476759 | Uzbek |
48.78603899 | Mordovian |
49.08561500 | Russian |
50.76571284 | Finnish |
51.51026694 | Yakut |
53.77255434 | Nogai |
55.27628425 | Czech |
55.36413641 | Belarusian |
55.56309567 | Hungarian |
55.58468854 | Romanian |
55.61948939 | Croatian |
55.72950386 | Scottish_West |
55.82031530 | Icelandic |
55.90301960 | German_North |
56.11548449 | Estonian |
56.18841162 | Irish |
56.26488781 | English_South |
56.28736626 | Dutch_North |
Just for you, Duarte.
Distance to: Angela 19.92385254 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 21.38129790 Iceman_MN_SG 21.59397833 Hungary_CA_I1497 21.60184946 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 22.73213364 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 23.09112167 Hungary_EN_I0495 23.12011894 Unetice_EBA_I0117 23.89183752 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 24.97878900 Iberia_EN_I0412 25.11234557 LBK_EN_I0054 25.14696602 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 25.28378730 Vatya_SG_RISE479 25.75441516 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 25.88725362 Hungary_BA_I1502 26.47262548 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 26.54580758 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 26.63963025 Baalberge_MN_I0560 26.91170563 Stuttgart_SG 27.51072336 Starcevo_MN_I0174 27.61557350 Iberia_M_I0406 28.21967222 Srubnaya_I0430 28.60314493 Potapovka_I0419 29.32967610 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 29.83420688 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 31.07056324 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 32.68393948 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 32.77651446 Srubnaya_I0232 33.49940149 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 34.01499522 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 34.07124741 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 34.45837924 Armenian_MBA 34.66525494 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 37.27197204 Kostenki14_UP_SG 38.59520566 Scythian_IA_I0247 45.45690157 Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 48.59794131 Poltavka_I0440 49.21503734 Yamnaya_Samara_I0231 49.79407495 Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 50.45859590 Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552 51.90260013 MA1_SG 57.03007891 Ust_Ishim_DG 58.49760593 Samara_Eneolithic_I0433 63.49984173 Samara_HG_I0124 64.67750691 AnatolianNeolithic_I0746 65.12196173 Hungary_HG_I1507 65.31844992 Bichon 65.52983977 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745 74.57955417 Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 79.74628455 Karelia_HG_I0061 80.86587599 Kotias_Kide_KK
I am definitely a lot Early Neolithic, even Iberia EN, which duplicates what I've seen on other calculators. Then there's the Central Europe pull, and the Iran Neo Pull, and about 25% steppe. (Of course, Sintashta has some European farmer. Still, 25-30% steppe is what I usually get on other calculators.) These samples in combination get me pretty darn close as far as distance goes.
Target: Angela
Distance: 0.4917% / 0.4917092622.2 LBK_EN_I0054 19.0 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 14.2 Stuttgart_SG 10.2 Armenian_MBA 6.4 Starcevo_MN_I0174 5.8 Kotias_Kide_KK 5.6 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 4.2 Iberia_M_I0406 3.0 Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552 2.8 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 2.4 Potapovka_I0419 1.4 Baalberge_MN_I0560 1.2 LaBrana 0.6 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745 0.4 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 0.4 Kostenki14_UP_SG 0.2 Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585
I'm surprised you get no steppe at all, Duarte. I know some analyses show Iberians don't get much, despite the Bell Beaker ancestry, but none? Are the Portuguese different from Spaniards in that regard, because probably most analyses like that are done with Spaniards?
Where can I get access to PuntDNAL K12 calculator? Admixture Studio only has the Near Eastern one.
Yes, but I have to include my coordinates in Target, correct? Now where do I get my coordinates?
Edit: I surely am not the only one who deleted his Gedmacth account? :embarassed:
PS: Is it me or the distances are quite big with this calculator?
Hi @Angela.
Angela. If you check my analysis in mixed mode, for a distance of 4.6 I have 11.8% Kitias Kide KK. This sample is very loaded in CHG ancestry. The Yamma are, on average, 50% CHG. See the graphic below, courtesy of @Demetrios in the thread https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page84.
Cheers
PS: On the other hand, the yammas of Ukraine and Hungary have a lot of WHG and I am 24.6% Bichon, which sample is practically a pure WHG.
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