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[Salento]

View attachment 12478
My origins on FT DNA.

we can’t see it, ... “invalid attachment” issue.

 

[Salento]

Latins R850 and R437 ‘chrome analysis’ show multiple connections,

meaning greater chance of shared ancestry with themselves and me:

(... use the image below to match them with the 1st and 3rd image on post #3310)

 

[torzio]

I have 1663 shared snaps with R1 sample

what do you have

I would like to "think/hope" her father ( R1 ) was a T1a ydna ................

A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Abruzzo coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign (i.e. not exclusively Anatolia_N ± WHG) ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.


The sample clusters close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Abruzzo, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian (or Illyrian proper) onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
NOTE. Based on feminine endings in -ona in the few available anthroponyms, Liburnian may have shared similarities with personal names of the Noricum province, which doesn’t seem to be related to the more recent (Celtic- or Germanic-related?) Noric language. Noric is not Nordic ............Noric refers to Noricum ( East-Austrian Illyrian tribes ) once they merged with Celts from Halstatt it became known as Norici


other reading
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306134397_Buried_far_away_Easterners_in_Roman_Liburnia

https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereotype
​

 

[torzio]

Liburnia: Who Were They and How Did They Live?.


a 2020 article....not that great but has some info

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4818&context=gc_etds

 

[torzio]

[... with Ancient samples, SNPs number and cMs don’t determine Genetic Distance at all!]

Dear Salento,

You have haplogroup T and mine is L. One of my ancestors (L) most probably(?) arrived from Syria around 30 AD as an archer in the Roman auxiliary unit transferred to Upper Germania province on left bank river Rahin – now Alsace. So, our genetic distance should be enormous!
But why should the Y group be so meaningful? In 11 generations in the past we had 1024 different grandfathers and 1024 different grandmothers. It takes us 400 years in the past only. Why is only one grandfather of thousands so important to show our distance?
Here below I compared yours and mine relation to SZ1. It seems that we have some things in common.
Please check if you have in MTA “Chroma Analysis” the same ancient relatives. Thanks in advance.

There have been found Ydna L in Krk island croatia as well as about 3% in the Tyrol

 

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[Bogomir]

My origins in MT DNA. Obviously there is a problem with luck of data.View attachment 12479

 

[Bogomir]

There have been found Ydna L in Krk island croatia as well as about 3% in the Tyrol

Yes, L is present in small percentages in central Europe. There are several sources for this spread.
- Commercial traffic routes
- Settling of veterans of Roman military units.
- Migration of Alans, Sarmatians and Scythians.
- and ?

 

[Bogomir]

These are my results from MTA Deep dive ordered regarding cM value:

[h=4]Avar Szolad Hungary 1000 BC? SZ1[/h]Genetic Distance: 20.06
mtDNA: J1b Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a (Z2125)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 100)
14 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 187.57 cM
Largest chain: 467 SNPs / 23.29 cM

[h=4]Kievan Rus 1130 AD Sunghir6[/h]Genetic Distance: 14.6
mtDNA: W3a1 Y-DNA: I2a1b2 (FGC29562/Y10705)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 77)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 39.96 cM
Largest chain: 203 SNPs / 13.76 cM

[h=4]Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany 2273 BC UNTA85_1343[/h]Genetic Distance: 18.63
mtDNA: J1c2 Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2 (A433)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 36)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 21.28 cM
Largest chain: 149 SNPs / 11.94 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy 1813 BC I4888[/h]Genetic Distance: 19.01
mtDNA: K1a2c Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 43)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 20.88 cM
Largest chain: 228 SNPs / 10.55 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Izjaslav Ingvarevych Prince of Dorogobuzh Rurik Dynasty 1223 AD VK541[/h]Genetic Distance: 14.75
mtDNA: H7 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b1a1a1c1 (AMM269/S4546/Z2938)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 83)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 19.89 cM
Largest chain: 181 SNPs / 12.37 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Early Slav-Mix Avar 590 AD AV1[/h]Genetic Distance: 12.97
mtDNA: X2m'n Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1 (BY15381)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 36)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 19.79 cM
Largest chain: 193 SNPs / 8.57 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Bronze Age Czech Velke Prilepy 2100 BC I5035[/h]Genetic Distance: 19.01
mtDNA: T2b
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 35)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.37 cM
Largest chain: 116 SNPs / 7.96 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Scythian Ukraine 600 BC scy009[/h]Genetic Distance: 14.04
mtDNA: J2b1a6 Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 13.37 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 8.23 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech 2350 BC I7249[/h]Genetic Distance: 20.43
mtDNA: Uncertain Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 12.79 cM
Largest chain: 126 SNPs / 8.03 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark 950 AD VK274[/h]Genetic Distance: 13.85
mtDNA: T2b+152 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b1a2b3a (FGC4501/V2834/Y2194)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 73)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 10.0 cM
Largest chain: 101 SNPs / 10.0 cM

[h=4]Bronze Age Vatya Hungary 1750 BC Rise479[/h]Genetic Distance: 16.12
mtDNA: T2b Y-DNA: I2a1b1a1b1b (Y4914)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 51)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.95 cM
Largest chain: 136 SNPs / 8.95 cM
[h=4][/h][h=4]Medieval Piedmont 580 AD CL57[/h]Genetic Distance: 20.04
mtDNA: H24a Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1a (CTS5330)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.76 cM
Largest chain: 134 SNPs / 4.89 cM


Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy 580 AD CL47b
Genetic Distance: 24.65
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 39)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.07 cM
Largest chain: 170 SNPs / 4.87 cM


Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK29
Genetic Distance: 18.97
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 67)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.06 cM
Largest chain: 175 SNPs / 7.06 cM

[h=4]Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy 1813 BC I4885[/h]Genetic Distance: 19.98
mtDNA: U5a1 Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 6.81 cM
Largest chain: 102 SNPs / 6.81 cM

[h=4]Viking Age Staraya Ladoga 1000 AD VK21[/h]Genetic Distance: 17.45
mtDNA: H5a1
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 14)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.95 cM
Largest chain: 108 SNPs / 3.96 cM

[h=4]Viking Age Gnezdovo Russia 950 AD VK272[/h]Genetic Distance: 17.55
mtDNA: K1b2b
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 15)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.92 cM
Largest chain: 117 SNPs / 5.92 cM

[h=4]Elite Viking Grave Cedynia 1010 AD VK212[/h]Genetic Distance: 18.52
mtDNA: H1+152 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b (CTS5508/Z649)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 24)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.52 cM
Largest chain: 108 SNPs / 3.39 cM

[h=4]Thuringii Tribe 420 AD AED_1108[/h]Genetic Distance: 17.66
mtDNA: U4
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 12)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.02 cM
Largest chain: 105 SNPs / 5.02 cM

[h=4]Halstatt 775 BC DA112[/h]Genetic Distance: 15.65
mtDNA: HV0+195
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 31)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 4.64 cM
Largest chain: 113 SNPs / 4.64 cM

[h=4]Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK23[/h]Genetic Distance: 12.87
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 45)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 4.56 cM
Largest chain: 117 SNPs / 4.56 cM

[h=4]North Central Lombard 580 AD CL63[/h]Genetic Distance: 17.3
mtDNA: H Y-DNA: I1a3 (S243/Z63)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 19)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 3.89 cM
Largest chain: 101 SNPs / 3.89 cM

[h=4]Celtic Briton Gladiator York 250 AD 6DRIF-22[/h]Genetic Distance: 18.8
mtDNA: H Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b (L343)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 24)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.93 cM
Largest chain: 158 SNPs / 2.93 cM

[h=4]Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK21[/h]Genetic Distance: 16.35
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 27)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.53 cM
Largest chain: 123 SNPs / 2.53 cM

[h=4]Medieval Tyrolian 580 AD CL53[/h]Genetic Distance: 18.12
mtDNA: H1c4 Y-DNA: R1b1a2a (V1274)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 14)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.5 cM
Largest chain: 118 SNPs / 2.5 cM

[h=4]Iron Age Boii Tribe Singen am Hohentwiel 597 BC MX265[/h]Genetic Distance: 18.27
mtDNA: H1c Y-DNA: R1a (CTS903/M610/PF6154)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 20)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.24 cM
Largest chain: 121 SNPs / 2.24 cM

[h=4]Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland 2660 BC MX190[/h]Genetic Distance: 20.13
mtDNA: U2e2a1d Y-DNA: I2a1a2 (AM01255/FGC7069/S2644/YP202)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 23)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.98 cM
Largest chain: 104 SNPs / 1.98 cM

[h=4]Frankish / Hungary 590 AD SZ38[/h]Genetic Distance: 20.96
mtDNA: HV0 ?
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 16)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.71 cM
Largest chain: 130 SNPs / 1.71 cM

[h=4]Scythian Ukraine 600 BC scy010[/h]Genetic Distance: 9.606
mtDNA: N1b1a
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 15)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.38 cM
Largest chain: 107 SNPs / 1.38 cM

 

[Salento]

A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Abruzzo coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign (i.e. not exclusively Anatolia_N ± WHG) ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.


The sample clusters close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Abruzzo, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian (or Illyrian proper) onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
NOTE. Based on feminine endings in -ona in the few available anthroponyms, Liburnian may have shared similarities with personal names of the Noricum province, which doesn’t seem to be related to the more recent (Celtic- or Germanic-related?) Noric language. Noric is not Nordic ............Noric refers to Noricum ( East-Austrian Illyrian tribes ) once they merged with Celts from Halstatt it became known as Norici


other reading
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306134397_Buried_far_away_Easterners_in_Roman_Liburnia

https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereotype
​

... our T1a2 line could have been there too, ... see the map below:

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

... check “Zoom to Europe” and uncheck “Smooth Path”
... check “Show” to play migration.

 

[Jovialis]

When I search for R-1794, I get the map for R-M269. R-1794 is a small and rare sub-clade of R1b. 23andme just gives me R-M269.

 

[Salento]

about ... first cousins or close relatives R53 and R54,
I don’t see R53 on my MTA results,
...on my chr. 8, R54 shares the exact number of SNPs with R835 and R49.

...with my coordinates on Source, R54 Dodecad K13 results show that in all of my kits, by distance I’m his #2 top match, R53 is way down.

... speculating: ... maybe one of R53 parents had a slightly different ancestry than R54’s parents, or ... R54’s parents must have been similar to my parents, or ... R54 sample quality is 49%, maybe there’s a problem in using my “perfect” raw-data against a “not so perfect” sample quality, ...

... full image: post #3310

 

[Salento]

When I search for R-1794, I get the map for R-M269. R-1794 is a small and rare sub-clade of R1b. 23andme just gives me R-M269.

NatGeo assigned me T-CTS8862 right away, my older 23andme gave me a distant clade at first, but now it matches NatGeo.

I did test for more downstreams, mostly with Yseq, got 3 extra markers,

... as of now my ‘final’ is T-SK1480 (same as Torzio).

 

[torzio]

... our T1a2 line could have been there too, ... see the map below:

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

... check “Zoom to Europe” and uncheck “Smooth Path”
... check “Show” to play migration.

I think we come via ancient Dalamatia or Liburnian people ......only logical scenario I can see ATM

At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder as part of the Roman region of Picenum, and attributed to the Liburni tribe.
Truentum is next to Martiniscuro where sample R1 was found

http://www.scuolablu.it/martinsicuro.htm

https://placeandsee.com/martinsicuro

Martinsicuro, posto alla foce del Tronto, beneficia di un clima particolarmente dolce e ha rappresentato fin dall'antichità un ottimo habitat per l'uomo.
I Liburni, provenienti dalla Dalmazia nel V-VI millennio a.C., scelsero questo territorio quale principale testa di ponte per la loro espansione sulle coste centrali dell'Adriatico.

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...page&q=Martinsicuro Truentum liburni&f=false

Any how ...............how do you link with R1 and I3313 samples if they are united .......I present mine in the G25 post a few days go

 

[Salento]

I think we come via ancient Dalamatia or Liburnian people ......only logical scenario I can see ATM

At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder as part of the Roman region of Picenum, and attributed to the Liburni tribe.
Truentum is next to Martiniscuro where sample R1 was found

http://www.scuolablu.it/martinsicuro.htm

https://placeandsee.com/martinsicuro

Martinsicuro, posto alla foce del Tronto, beneficia di un clima particolarmente dolce e ha rappresentato fin dall'antichità un ottimo habitat per l'uomo.
I Liburni, provenienti dalla Dalmazia nel V-VI millennio a.C., scelsero questo territorio quale principale testa di ponte per la loro espansione sulle coste centrali dell'Adriatico.

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...page&q=Martinsicuro Truentum liburni&f=false

Any how ...............how do you link with R1 and I3313 samples if they are united .......I present mine in the G25 post a few days go

... on my chr. analysis I3313 gets only I5769 (Thracian Bulgaria).

I don’t get R1 on my deep dive, so I have no links to show.

View attachment 12480

 

[torzio]

... on my chr. analysis I3313 gets only I5769 (Thracian Bulgaria).

I don’t get R1 on my deep dive, so I have no links to show.

View attachment 12480

i still get R1 as my #1

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.455 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.937 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users

 

[torzio]

my father gets it at #3


1. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.095 - MOK10
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.072 - SZ45
Top 98 % match vs all users



3. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.192 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.577 - CL94
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.578 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.617 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users

 

[Duarte]

yfull dated SZ1 to 1360 ybp, ...is that about 590 AD ???

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/

@Salento

All ages of modern uploaded samples and, also, ages of tree’s haplogroups are temporary suspended. See the News below:

 

[Salento]

@Salento

All ages of modern uploaded samples and, also, ages of tree’s haplogroups are temporary suspended. See the News below:

@Duarte
... my enhanced 7th sense spotted the issue, ... my math is strong !

 

[Duarte]

@Duarte
... my enhanced 7th sense spotted the issue, ... my math is strong !

I believe you deserve an award. Your perception of the facts was very sharp. You hit the target with millimeter accuracy.