The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations.

[johen]

edit..................

 

[Jovialis]

Possibly related to the Cetina culture migration?

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Cetina_Phenomenon_An_Agent-based_Perspective

Altamura is my father's town.

 

[Philjames100]

Altamura is my father's town.

Ok. What do you think about these samples having something to do with Cetina?

 

[Jovialis]

Ok. What do you think about these samples having something to do with Cetina?

I'm not sure, perhaps. It did exist in the EBA. I want to read the paper to make the determination.

 

[Salento]

Altamura is my father's town.

... at confidence level High, in 1750 Altamura is in my Genetic Group

... though lately myheritage is just showing the Provincial Capitals.

 

[Jovialis]

... at confidence level High, in 1750 Altamura is in my Genetic Group

... though lately myheritage is just showing the Provincial Capitals.

Pugliese are bracketed between these Illyrian-like Northern Greece EBA samples, and the Mycenaeans.

I guess that makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that Puglia was colonized by both Illyrian, and Greek peoples.

I didn't know it, but the now former Prime Minister of Italy, Giuseppe Conte, is Pugliese.

He kind of looks like some of my relatives on my father's side.

 

[Salento]

Pugliese are bracketed between these Illyrian-like Northern Greece EBA samples, and the Mycenaeans.

I guess that makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that Puglia was colonized by both Illyrian, and Greek peoples.

I didn't know it, but the now former Prime Minister of Italy, Giuseppe Conte, is Pugliese.

He kind of looks like some of my relatives on my father's side.

I have fairly close relatives with that Surname, more distant ... Antonio Conte (former soccer player, coached Italy, now AC Milan).

 

[Jovialis]

^^

Yes, another pugliese, I have similar hair in terms of texture and color.

 

[Cato]

I have fairly close relatives with that Surname, more distant ... Antonio Conte (former soccer player, coached Italy, now AC Milan).

Fc Inter

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[kingdavid]

It looks like the male ancient samples were
Uploaded to yfull

https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-PF3345/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z36834*/

 

[Jovialis]

Here is the ENA page for this study:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB37782

 

[Palermo Trapani]

^^

Yes, another pugliese, I have similar hair in terms of texture and color.

Jovialis: This fellow, to me, looks like a version of Joe Namath, but with lighter hair. For those not old enough or not from USA, the ole NY Jets QB who led them to Superbowl 3 win vs. Colts and was a well known Ladies Man and guy on all types of TV commercials in the early 70's (Even did one for panty hose).

 

[kingdavid]

full paper :

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421003706

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/...m/retrieve/pii/S0092867421003706?showall=true

 

[Jovialis]

Fascinating,

The Cycladic, the Minoan, and the Helladic (Mycenaean) cultures define the Bronze Age (BA) of Greece. Urbanism, complex social structures, craft and agricultural specialization, and the earliest forms of writing characterize this iconic period. We sequenced six Early to Middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mitochondrial genomes, sampled from the three BA cultures of the Aegean Sea. The Early BA (EBA) genomes are homogeneous and derive most of their ancestry from Neolithic Aegeans, contrary to earlier hypotheses that the Neolithic-EBA cultural transition was due to massive population turnover. EBA Aegeans were shaped by relatively small-scale migration from East of the Aegean, as evidenced by the Caucasus-related ancestry also detected in Anatolians. In contrast, Middle BA (MBA) individuals of northern Greece differ from EBA populations in showing ∼50% Pontic-Caspian Steppe-related ancestry, dated at ca. 2,600-2,000 BCE. Such gene flow events during the MBA contributed toward shaping present-day Greek genomes.

So early Helladic cultures were mostly Anatolian_N/CHG-IN, while Northern Greeks later in the middle bronze age were 50% steppe?

 

[Jovialis]

Dodecad K12b:

EBA_Minoan_Petras:Pta08,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72
EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou01,0.13,0,2.62,0,36.59,0.3,0,0,13.35,0.53,45.02,1.45
EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03,4.64,0,2.77,0,32.51,1.12,0,0,11.34,0.32,45.28,2.02
EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15,0,0,5.75,0.07,41.42,0.91,0,0.03,13.26,0.69,35.94,1.94
MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02,2.02,0.51,1.68,0.46,32.46,23.57,0,0.25,7.97,0,30.09,1
MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04,7.05,1.16,0.26,0,31.18,28.21,0,0.13,4.25,0.92,24.07,2.77

 

[Jovialis]

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Dodecad 12B Results using Coordinates provided by Jovialis (post #74). Thanks!

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5300, align: right"]12.54885254[/TD]
[TD]MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0084, align: right"]18.88964531[/TD]
[TD]EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.05640050[/TD]
[TD]MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008B, align: right"]19.10203131[/TD]
[TD]EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A8, align: right"]19.92690894[/TD]
[TD]EBA_Minoan_Petrasta08[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D3, align: right"]21.20724169[/TD]
[TD]EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou01

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E1FF00, align: right"]6.61365856[/TD]
[TD]48.80% EBA_Minoan_Petrasta08 + 51.20% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F4FF00, align: right"]7.17470557[/TD]
[TD]50.00% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03 + 50.00% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFB00, align: right"]7.61542091[/TD]
[TD]36.20% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03 + 63.80% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.64395475[/TD]
[TD]46.80% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou01 + 53.20% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.96815841[/TD]
[TD]34.60% EBA_Minoan_Petrasta08 + 65.40% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.45175344[/TD]
[TD]50.20% EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15 + 49.80% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDC00, align: right"]8.53790847[/TD]
[TD]35.40% EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15 + 64.60% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.57130992[/TD]
[TD]32.00% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou01 + 68.00% MBA_Helladic_Logkas:Log02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0059, align: right"]17.62225333[/TD]
[TD]48.00% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03 + 52.00% EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007A, align: right"]18.59310626[/TD]
[TD]31.80% EBA_Minoan_Petrasta08 + 68.20% EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0083, align: right"]18.85868150[/TD]
[TD]10.00% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou01 + 90.00% EBA_Helladic_Manika:Mik15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008B, align: right"]19.08641558[/TD]
[TD]11.80% EBA_Minoan_Petrasta08 + 88.20% EBA_Cyclade_Koufanisi:Kou03

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Philjames100]

The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations (Clemente et al. 2021)

Published yesterday:

"The Cycladic, the Minoan, and the Helladic (Mycenaean) cultures define the Bronze Age (BA) of Greece. Urbanism, complex social structures, craft and agricultural specialization, and the earliest forms of writing characterize this iconic period. We sequenced six Early to Middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mitochondrial genomes, sampled from the three BA cultures of the Aegean Sea. The Early BA (EBA) genomes are homogeneous and derive most of their ancestry from Neolithic Aegeans, contrary to earlier hypotheses that the Neolithic-EBA cultural transition was due to massive population turnover. EBA Aegeans were shaped by relatively small-scale migration from East of the Aegean, as evidenced by the Caucasus-related ancestry also detected in Anatolians. In contrast, Middle BA (MBA) individuals of northern Greece differ from EBA populations in showing ∼50% Pontic-Caspian Steppe-related ancestry, dated at ca. 2,600-2,000 BCE. Such gene flow events during the MBA contributed toward shaping present-day Greek genomes."

www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00370-6

 

[Pax Augusta]

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00370-6

 

[Archetype0ne]

So if I interpreted this correctly? This supports the current consensus that during the BA, IE populations moved north of the Black Sea into the Balkans contributing to modern populations?