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My post was about the G-M406.he updated one G2a branch recently to neolithic croatia as per the August paper
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My post was about the G-M406.he updated one G2a branch recently to neolithic croatia as per the August paper
I remember to have posted something about it, and found the thread.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...N-Levant-S-Caucasus/page4?p=604900#post604900
Following two other related posts: here and here.
As Maciamo pointed out on Eupedia's G2a page, G-M406 (ED) was not found in Neolithic Euro so far, which would be in agreement with a possible later dispersal from around South Caucasus in BA, reaching Europe (and other parts of Middle East).
I ve always found it very perplexing the little E-V13 in Turkey.Taking in mind how extensive was the Greek colonization, and it was extensive, one would expect it to be more plenty full. Which can only mean that E-v13 arrived late in the lower half of the Greek state, probably with Dorians, after the bulk of the Greek colonization/migrations were completed and the fleeing Achaens/Ionians didnt have much E-v13 to begin with. Some Anatolian colonies go back in the early 1st millenia BC.in the supplemental of this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/36/e2026076118/tab-figures-data
i counted :
3- e-v22
14-e-v13
21-e-m34
I ve always found it very perplexing the little E-V13 in Turkey.Taking in mind how extensive was the Greek colonization, and it was extensive, one would expect it to be more plenty full. Which can only mean that E-v13 arrived late in the lower half of the Greek state, probably with Dorians, after the bulk of the Greek colonization/migrations were completed and the fleeing Achaens/Ionians didnt have much E-v13 to begin with. Some Anatolian colonies go back in the early 1st millenia BC.
^^Wow, lots and lots of "E" and "G", and a much smaller amount of "C".
No J2a, which is surprising.
MtDna has a bit of Central Asian, but vast majority is not.
My husband is G2a, and the source may be here. I wish he'd get deeper subclade tested.
You seem to follow the yDna closely. If you have time perhaps you might give us who don't a quick overview of the type of E and G2a we're looking at, and "I" for that matter.
Hmm, what do you mean by no J2a, change the page number, there is a lot of J2a and R1b-Z2103 as well.
No need to get excited. I was responding to the data provided by King John.
I'd be very interested to see the remaining y lines. Perhaps you can provide them.
No, i am not, was just wondering whether we are looking at the same data: https://www.yfull.com/samples-from-paper/540/?page=2
From page 2 onwards we have J1, J2, and Q, R which probably is mostly R1b-M269 (Z2103?).
I think the paper reflects previous studies. Anatolia is a melting pot.
You're welcome!Thanks a lot Regio. Interesting.
But if it was BA expansion into Europe. And it was somehow Caucasus related, it could not have been IE right? Steppe type of expansion for M406?
There is a couple of Eneolithic M406 from around Western Anatolia... The problem is among two dozen G2a1's, only a few are tested deep enough, even in papers as new as 2018-19...
So I am wondering could it have been part of the Initial wave of IE? The first IE languages, aka the Anatolian branches?
Or was is some Caucasus to Anatolia migration not related to IE.
Thanks again
Yes,
Although not high
it fit like a glove to the areas
Of greek colonies
West, north,
And don't forget cyprus 10-13% e-v13
So some ancient greeks sailed
To cyprus
I am no expert on this
Probably you know which greek group
Colonised cyprus maybe myceneans
p.s
side note
this horror could have reduced the number of e-v13 :sad-2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
E-v13 may be low in most of Turkey. But consider it is only 20% in Greeks. So if the average in central Anatolia is, say 5%. Then it means that 25% of the population may have Greek ancestry. If E-V13 is 10% at the Aegaen coast of Turkey, then that would indicate half of their ancestry may be Greek. So a 8.9% average could indicate a max. of 45% Greek ancestry. Just saying. We have to think proportionally.
Hmm, what do you mean by no J2a, change the page number, there is a lot of J2a and R1b-Z2103 as well.
Could you please post the study's page or/and spreadsheet's page the link seems to be broken
It's a shame indeed . I was to explore the ydna data from the Turkmen/Seldjuk lineage narrative. But if the yfull data are anywhere near representative Turks are completely unrelated to Turkmens. Practically there is no Q-m25 in Turks. The little Q lineages found in Turks are 90% not Q-m25. Cinnioglu also reported similar rwsults, plus he reported Q-m25 (the little that it is found it's found in the regiona of the Kurds and Central Anatolia.i know
bummer :frown:
i will not post spreadsheets anymore
because we are taking the risk the person who created the spreedsheet
will decide to eraze it one day
It's a shame indeed . I was to explore the ydna data from the Turkmen/Seldjuk lineage narrative. But if the yfull data are anywhere near representative Turks are completely unrelated to Turkmens. Practically there is no Q-m25 in Turks. The little Q lineages found in Turks are 90% not Q-m25. Cinnioglu also reported similar rwsults, plus he reported Q-m25 (the little that it is found it's found in the regiona of the Kurds and Central Anatolia.
Either way am sure someone downloaded the spreadsheet and should post it here and in other forums.
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