Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[torzio]

Exactly. People seem to forget that Dardania was ruled by Illyrians.

link where it says this

They where once ruled by the Thracian Triballi tribe for a short period

What did these Thracians from Dacia and Getae lands speak before they changed to Latin based language ?????

 

[Southpaw]

Messapic shows an Illyrian pattern and most probably a fusion with an Italic language. The similarities between Albanian and Messapic are clearly Illyrian and not from your weak passive ghost shepherd nation.

Proto Illyrian with a South Illyrian clade: I26726 1461 BCE, Croatia_MBA, Gudnja cave, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638

Most Albanians, Kosovars descend from this South Illyrian clade myself included.

If Albanoids descend from people like Dardanians, Paeoni, Enchelei => Central Balkans people, their Channeled-Ware ancestors during Middle Bronze Age/Late Bronze Age were far far more stronger than Proto-Illyrian Glasinac-Mat, and probably during Late Bronze Age the only reason Adriatic region wasn't plundered by these people is that it was too poor to get their full attention, instead Aegean and Anatolia was a better choice for them.

But things changed during Early/Middle Iron Age, Glasinac-Mat became stronger than they were before. But there was a clear line in between Glasinac-Mat and Thracian Odrysians, it was the Triballi who probably were beating both Glasinac-Mat Illyrians and Odrysians at the same time when they were attempting to invade their country. (though Autariate pushed them more in the East it was probably after exhaustive war of Triballi agains Odrysians where two times the Odrysian kings were left dead).

 

[Illyria]

If Albanoids descend from people like Dardanians, Paeoni, Enchelei => Central Balkans people, their Channeled-Ware ancestors were far far more stronger than Proto-Illyrian Glasinac-Mat, and probably during Late Bronze Age the only reason Adriatic region wasn't plundered by these people is that it was too poor to get their attention, instead Aegean and Anatolia was a better choice for them.

Yeah, I'm sure Malsi, Dukagjin, and Hoti, areas with the highest J2b2 frequency, some of the oldest Albanian tribes, aren't Albanoid haha. Are these tribes not strong enough for you? These are areas with the least foreign Y-DNA in all of Albanians, sounds strong as hell to me. Also a big chunk of Kosovars can trace descent to Northern Albania, where Pagan-Illyrian culture survived the most in all Albanian lands.

In Western Dardania you only find Illyrian names, including those of the political ruling elite. In Eastern Dardania, you find Thracian names, with a few Illyrian names. This suggests the Eastern parts were Thracianized. We also have record of the ruling Illyrians practicing slavery on the non-Illyrian population, which is of historical importance when talking about ethnicity/ruling class of Dardanians. Trying to link Albanian E-V13, to Anatolian-Thracian-Dardani 3200 years ago, when Dardania became ruled by Illyrians 2500 years ago, and when Proto-Albanians boomed in growth from around 1500 years ago, is quite the reach. If Albanoids were in the Aegean and Anatolia, where is all the Greek loanwords and J2a in Albanians? Few and far in between. I think it makes more sense to look towards the Jiricek Line, where Albanians likely originated.

We have far more linguistic and cultural links to Illyrian, than Thracian, but now because E-V13 wasn't found in the West, and only in the East, and because most Albanians North-to-South are E-V13, now some of you are desperate in hoping our language comes from Thracians. Dardania, Paeonia, Enchelei, were all regarded as Illyrian too, not just Thracian. The Central Balkans, where these tribes were, were likely a mix of J+E+R, as this was where the Illyrian and Thracian frontiers were. The burning question is, who established political/cultural/linguistic dominion in these areas? We have record of these tribes being ruled by Illyrians, Dardanian-Illyrian king Bardylis has allied several times with the Illyrians against Macedon, some Illyrians formerly under Teuta, joined the Dardani, at a time when Dardania was ruled by Illyrians too. Would Illyrians join the Dardani, and constantly ally with the Dardani, if they spoke two different languages? Maybe, but I don't think so, to me it seems clear with the evidence we have, that Dardania was Illyrian from around 500BC until the Roman Era, when we had an influx of Thracians/Daco-Mysians, on the Eastern side.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the highest J2b+E-V13 together, is found above the Jiricek line, with hotspots north of the Drin, in the northern Albanian mountains, in Kosovo, in the mountains of North West Macedonia/Diber region. Which is why I think Albanian language comes from a fusion of Illyrians (Heavy J2b2 +minor R1b/E-V13) + Dardanians (Heavy E-V13, minor R1b/J2b2). I don't think it's a coincidence either, that, the J2b hotspot areas also have heavy E-V13. Malsi for example, 42% J2b2, 35% E-V13, Tropoje, both, Kelmendi, purely E-V13, Hoti, purely J2b2. Why didn't the Channeled Ware E-V13 plunder these J2b2 neighbors near the Adriatic? These tribes are all kin, very Albanoid, in an area where J2b2 and E-V13 coexisted peacefully... I think in the future, we will find E-V13 in the South Western Balkans, and see that some E-V13 Thracians decided to join some J2b2 Illyrians, becoming Illyrianized during the Iron Age. I'm not saying all Albanian E-V13 became Illyrianized either, I'm sure once we have an ancient E-V13 sample from the South West Balkans, we'll see that some Albanians fall under that line, and some Albanians belonging to Thracian lines.

 

[Southpaw]

Yeah, I'm sure Malsi, Dukagjin, and Hoti, areas with the highest J2b2 frequency, some of the oldest Albanian tribes, aren't Albanoid haha. Are these tribes not strong enough for you? These are areas with the least foreign Y-DNA in all of Albanians, sounds strong as hell to me. Also a big chunk of Kosovars can trace descent to Northern Albania, where Pagan-Illyrian culture survived the most in all Albanian lands.

In Western Dardania you only find Illyrian names, including those of the political ruling elite. In Eastern Dardania, you find Thracian names, with a few Illyrian names. This suggests the Eastern parts were Thracianized. We also have record of the ruling Illyrians practicing slavery on the non-Illyrian population, which is of historical importance when talking about ethnicity/ruling class of Dardanians. Trying to link Albanian E-V13, to Anatolian-Thracian-Dardani 3200 years ago, when Dardania became ruled by Illyrians 2500 years ago, and when Proto-Albanians boomed in growth from around 1500 years ago, is quite the reach. If Albanoids were in the Aegean and Anatolia, where is all the Greek loanwords and J2a in Albanians? Few and far in between. I think it makes more sense to look towards the Jiricek Line, where Albanians likely originated.

We have far more linguistic and cultural links to Illyrian, than Thracian, but now because E-V13 wasn't found in the West, and only in the East, and because most Albanians North-to-South are E-V13, now some of you are desperate in hoping our language comes from Thracians. Dardania, Paeonia, Enchelei, were all regarded as Illyrian too, not just Thracian. The Central Balkans, where these tribes were, were likely a mix of J+E+R, as this was where the Illyrian and Thracian frontiers were. The burning question is, who established political/cultural/linguistic dominion in these areas? We have record of these tribes being ruled by Illyrians, Dardanian-Illyrian king Bardylis has allied several times with the Illyrians against Macedon, some Illyrians formerly under Teuta, joined the Dardani, at a time when Dardania was ruled by Illyrians too. Would Illyrians join the Dardani, and constantly ally with the Dardani, if they spoke two different languages? Maybe, but I don't think so, to me it seems clear with the evidence we have, that Dardania was Illyrian from around 500BC until the Roman Era, when we had an influx of Thracians/Daco-Mysians, on the Eastern side.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the highest J2b+E-V13 together, is found above the Jiricek line, with hotspots north of the Drin, in the northern Albanian mountains, in Kosovo, in the mountains of North West Macedonia/Diber region. Which is why I think Albanian language comes from a fusion of Illyrians (Heavy J2b2 +minor R1b/E-V13) + Dardanians (Heavy E-V13, minor R1b/J2b2). I don't think it's a coincidence either, that, the J2b hotspot areas also have heavy E-V13. Malsi for example, 42% J2b2, 35% E-V13, Tropoje, both, Kelmendi, purely E-V13, Hoti, purely J2b2. Why didn't the Channeled Ware E-V13 plunder these J2b2 neighbors near the Adriatic? These tribes are all kin, very Albanoid, in an area where J2b2 and E-V13 coexisted peacefully... I think in the future, we will find E-V13 in the South Western Balkans, and see that some E-V13 Thracians decided to join some J2b2 Illyrians, becoming Illyrianized during the Iron Age. I'm not saying all Albanian E-V13 became Illyrianized either, I'm sure once we have an ancient E-V13 sample from the South West Balkans, we'll see that some Albanians fall under that line, and some Albanians belonging to Thracian lines.

Why do you create sock-puppet accounts? Stick with one account. I already explained before that Hammond considered Bardyllis to hail from Peresadyes tribe, the same tribe that was probably ruling over Enchelei/Trebeniste and Taulantii hence why the confusion of names comes from. The Peresadyes were previously thought to be of Illyrian origin but recently historians believe they might have distant Thracian connection as this name was occurring frequently among Odrysian and their Black Sea spinoffs Spartocid dynasties.

But then again, i believe in Central Balkans there were different groups but with common ancestors with Thracians who might have had additional substrate different from the Central Balkans one who had Illyrian substrate.

 

[enter_tain]

Why do you create sock-puppet accounts? Stick with one account. I already explained before that Hammond considered Bardyllis to hail from Peresadyes tribe, the same tribe that was probably ruling over Enchelei/Trebeniste and Taulantii hence why the confusion of names comes from. The Peresadyes were previously thought to be of Illyrian origin but recently historians believe they might have distant Thracian connection as this name was occurring frequently among Odrysian and their Black Sea spinoffs Spartocid dynasties.

Hammond is no more classified to make claims than anyone on this forum who makes up batshit crazy theories.

Dardanians were Illyrians. Bardyllis was a Dardanian. Deal with it.

 

[enter_tain]

But this is not true. There is no such extinct romance language, this idea has not been supported by anybody in linguistics. There is no linguist today that could claim with a straight face that albanian has "more words in common in with western romance." This is a straight up lie and dishonest.
Matzinger wrote a paper about this also and debunked it:
L'elemento latino della lingua albanese - un impatto della Via Egnatia?
Joachim Matzinger
Abstract
According to a wide-spread theory, the Latin loanwords of Albanian originate from the Latin once spoken along the Via Egnatia which ran through Albania on its way to Byzantium. This theory implies the presence of Albanians in their actual territory already in ancient times in full accordance with the popular theory of an Albanian autochthony. However, a thorough investigation of the phonological history of the Latin loanwords and the Albanian toponymy reveals that they are affected by the same late sound laws. This indicates that both these lexical units have entered the Albanian language only in post-Christian times which creates a strong argument against the autochtony of the Albanians. The Latin loanwords of Albanian have thus been integrated when the ancestors of the Albanians were still dwelling in the Balkan hinterland, in some areas distant from the Via Egnatia."
All you seem to know is to post wikipedia pages.
The problem to why Albanian has a few western strain loans despite being mostly eastern strain was solved by noel malcolm and co, albanian comes from Dardania region.
Possibly also some of those latinised illyrians of the komani-kruja culture which spoke a western strain taught the proto-albanians these words, in the same way they taught them the toponyms scodra, durres, etc

They did a quantitative analysis, and yes Albanian has more in common with Western Balkan Romance. Those Romanian linguists said it with a straight face.

 

[Southpaw]

Hammond is no more classified to make claims than anyone on this forum who makes up batshit crazy theories.

Dardanians were Illyrians. Bardyllis was a Dardanian. Deal with it.

lol, you are not Southern Albanian, you are probably a Kosovar pretending to be Southern Albanian.

Peresadyes were ruling in Trebeniste around Lake Ohrid as well:

On this occasion, special attention is given to the Tomb of the Warriors (Tomb 1) in which 6 warriors were buried together with their complete military armor. The tomb (dimensions: 5.50 x 4.50 m) was built with a row of larger limestone blocks, and after the cremation burial it was filled with amorphous stones and earth, shaping a low mound-like structure. The pyre was set in the central part of the tomb, and around it, embedded and arranged in a specially brought lake sand, were the military attributes: 6 bronze helmets, 11 greaves, and 15 iron spears, with features suggesting some military subordination or simply warriors who have died in a battle being “the Leader and his comrades.”

https://pebasite.wordpress.com/peba-2020/representations-of-power-an-ancient-macedonian-elite/

These people practiced cremation burials.

 

[enter_tain]

Peresadyes were ruling in Trebeniste around Lake Ohrid as well:



These people practiced cremation burials.

Where is the proof that Bardyllis was from this tribe? You can't just quote any batshit historian who makes up crazy theories. If we have no sources, we go with contemporary historians of the time.

There were plenty of authors who thought IE languages come from Turkey too. Anyone can make up theories.

 

[Southpaw]

Where is the proof that Bardyllis was from this tribe? You can't just quote any batshit historian who makes up crazy theories. If we have no sources, we go with contemporary historians of the time.

There were plenty of authors who thought IE languages come from Turkey too. Anyone can make up theories.

Calling everyone batshit crazy would not change any fact, he was basing his assumptions on writings from Hecateus.

 

[enter_tain]

Calling everyone batshit crazy would not change any fact, he was basing his assumptions on writings from Hecateus.

Archeogenetics has shown that most of these historians' theories are nonsense. From Illyrians being a collection of different ethniticities, to IE being from Turkey.

 

[Illyria]

Why do you create sock-puppet accounts? Stick with one account. I already explained before that Hammond considered Bardyllis to hail from Peresadyes tribe, the same tribe that was probably ruling over Enchelei/Trebeniste and Taulantii hence why the confusion of names comes from. The Peresadyes were previously thought to be of Illyrian origin but recently historians believe they might have distant Thracian connection as this name was occurring frequently among Odrysian and their Black Sea spinoffs Spartocid dynasties.

But then again, i believe in Central Balkans there were different groups but with common ancestors with Thracians who might have had additional substrate different from the Central Balkans one who had Illyrian substrate.

I just joined Eupedia, and I've never spoken to you before today. Sorry if I struck a nerve, reminding you of someone else.

 

[enter_tain]

lol, you are not Southern Albanian, you are probably a Kosovar pretending to be Southern Albanian..

Not only am I not a Kosovar, I've never even been north of Tirana. Would love to go some time, but I'm not from there.

 

[mount123]

Yeah, I'm sure Malsi, Dukagjin, and Hoti, areas with the highest J2b2 frequency, some of the oldest Albanian tribes, aren't Albanoid haha. Are these tribes not strong enough for you? These are areas with the least foreign Y-DNA in all of Albanians, sounds strong as hell to me. Also a big chunk of Kosovars can trace descent to Northern Albania, where Pagan-Illyrian culture survived the most in all Albanian lands.

In Western Dardania you only find Illyrian names, including those of the political ruling elite. In Eastern Dardania, you find Thracian names, with a few Illyrian names. This suggests the Eastern parts were Thracianized. We also have record of the ruling Illyrians practicing slavery on the non-Illyrian population, which is of historical importance when talking about ethnicity/ruling class of Dardanians. Trying to link Albanian E-V13, to Anatolian-Thracian-Dardani 3200 years ago, when Dardania became ruled by Illyrians 2500 years ago, and when Proto-Albanians boomed in growth from around 1500 years ago, is quite the reach. If Albanoids were in the Aegean and Anatolia, where is all the Greek loanwords and J2a in Albanians? Few and far in between. I think it makes more sense to look towards the Jiricek Line, where Albanians likely originated.

We have far more linguistic and cultural links to Illyrian, than Thracian, but now because E-V13 wasn't found in the West, and only in the East, and because most Albanians North-to-South are E-V13, now some of you are desperate in hoping our language comes from Thracians. Dardania, Paeonia, Enchelei, were all regarded as Illyrian too, not just Thracian. The Central Balkans, where these tribes were, were likely a mix of J+E+R, as this was where the Illyrian and Thracian frontiers were. The burning question is, who established political/cultural/linguistic dominion in these areas? We have record of these tribes being ruled by Illyrians, Dardanian-Illyrian king Bardylis has allied several times with the Illyrians against Macedon, some Illyrians formerly under Teuta, joined the Dardani, at a time when Dardania was ruled by Illyrians too. Would Illyrians join the Dardani, and constantly ally with the Dardani, if they spoke two different languages? Maybe, but I don't think so, to me it seems clear with the evidence we have, that Dardania was Illyrian from around 500BC until the Roman Era, when we had an influx of Thracians/Daco-Mysians, on the Eastern side.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the highest J2b+E-V13 together, is found above the Jiricek line, with hotspots north of the Drin, in the northern Albanian mountains, in Kosovo, in the mountains of North West Macedonia/Diber region. Which is why I think Albanian language comes from a fusion of Illyrians (Heavy J2b2 +minor R1b/E-V13) + Dardanians (Heavy E-V13, minor R1b/J2b2). I don't think it's a coincidence either, that, the J2b hotspot areas also have heavy E-V13. Malsi for example, 42% J2b2, 35% E-V13, Tropoje, both, Kelmendi, purely E-V13, Hoti, purely J2b2. Why didn't the Channeled Ware E-V13 plunder these J2b2 neighbors near the Adriatic? These tribes are all kin, very Albanoid, in an area where J2b2 and E-V13 coexisted peacefully... I think in the future, we will find E-V13 in the South Western Balkans, and see that some E-V13 Thracians decided to join some J2b2 Illyrians, becoming Illyrianized during the Iron Age. I'm not saying all Albanian E-V13 became Illyrianized either, I'm sure once we have an ancient E-V13 sample from the South West Balkans, we'll see that some Albanians fall under that line, and some Albanians belonging to Thracian lines.

Central and East Kosovo is quite J2b-L283 heavy. We generally can't only draw conclusions from modern distributions. As far as the whole linguistics debate goes: we don't have any Illyrian nor Thracian sentences or texts to say for sure from what Albanian descends or if either one influenced the Proto-Albanian language or to better say the language from which Proto-Albanian descends.

 

[mount123]

lol, you are not Southern Albanian, you are probably a Kosovar pretending to be Southern Albanian.

Peresadyes were ruling in Trebeniste around Lake Ohrid as well:



These people practiced cremation burials.

I am pretty sure he is not a Kosovar as he doesn't know anything about "North East Geg" dialects whatsoever.

 

[Illyria]

Central and East Kosovo is quite J2b-L283 heavy. We generally can't only draw conclusions from modern distributions. As far as the whole linguistics debate goes: we don't have any Illyrian nor Thracian sentences or texts to say for sure from what Albanian descends or if either one influenced the Proto-Albanian language or to better say the language from which Proto-Albanian descends.

Yes, Kosovo is J2b heavy, most of Kosovo is pretty much what we would call Western Dardania, going by their ancient borders. Eastern Dardania extended roughly to the borders of Eastern Serbia, where there was greater Thracian influence

 

[enter_tain]

I am pretty sure he is not a Kosovar as he doesn't know anything about "North East Geg" dialects whatsoever.

It's just how languages work. Italy had plenty of Italic languages in antiquity, but all modern Italian dialects descend from Rome. There were plenty of Illyrian dialects/languages all over Illyria, but modern Albanian dialects from northern Albania (Tosk at the dawn of the Middle Ages, while Kosovar dialects after the Middle Ages).

 

[Johane Derite]

They did a quantitative analysis, and yes Albanian has more in common with Western Balkan Romance. Those Romanian linguists said it with a straight face.

The quantitaive analysis was one incomplete work from a Romanian from the 50s, which has not been accepted by any academic since then. I

n fact this has been perceived by some as a Romanian nationalist attempt to disentangle proto-Romanians from Albanians so that they can claim the proto-Romanians were in Romania (this is not accepted, rather it is thought they crossed the danube later).


And there is an explicit paper by Matzinger debunking this wikipedia notion:

L'elemento latino della lingua albanese - un impatto della Via Egnatia?
Joachim Matzinger


Abstract


According to a wide-spread theory, the Latin loanwords of Albanian originate from the Latin once spoken along the Via Egnatia which ran through Albania on its way to Byzantium.

This theory implies the presence of Albanians in their actual territory already in ancient times in full accordance with the popular theory of an Albanian autochthony.

However, a thorough investigation of the phonological history of the Latin loanwords and the Albanian toponymy reveals that they are affected by the same late sound laws.

This indicates that both these lexical units have entered the Albanian language only in post-Christian times which creates a strong argument against the autochtony of the Albanians.

The Latin loanwords of Albanian have thus been integrated when the ancestors of the Albanians were still dwelling in the Balkan hinterland, in some areas distant from the Via Egnatia."


Likewise, other historians and linguists all accept that Albanian quantitatively has far more eastern than western latin loans. It is inconceivable to present this one off theory as having some sort of weight today in academia.


Noel Malcolm:

"Late Latin developed in two different forms in the Balkans: a coastal variety, which survived as a distinct language (known as Dalmatian) until the end of the nineteenth century, and the form spoken in the interior, which turned into Romanian and Vlach.

From place-names it is clear that the coastal form, spoken also in Shkodra and Durres, penetrated some way into the northern Albanian mountains.

There are some traces of this variety of Latin in Albanian, but the Albanian language's links with the inland variety of Balkan Latin are much stronger. This suggests that the centre of gravity ofAlbanian-Vlach symbiosis lay a little further to the east."

 

[enter_tain]

The quantitaive analysis was one incomplete work from a Romanian from the 50s, which has not been accepted by any academic since then. I

n fact this has been perceived by some as a Romanian nationalist attempt to disentangle proto-Romanians from Albanians so that they can claim the proto-Romanians were in Romania (this is not accepted, rather it is thought they crossed the danube later).


And there is an explicit paper by Matzinger debunking this wikipedia notion:

L'elemento latino della lingua albanese - un impatto della Via Egnatia?
Joachim Matzinger


Abstract


According to a wide-spread theory, the Latin loanwords of Albanian originate from the Latin once spoken along the Via Egnatia which ran through Albania on its way to Byzantium.

This theory implies the presence of Albanians in their actual territory already in ancient times in full accordance with the popular theory of an Albanian autochthony.

However, a thorough investigation of the phonological history of the Latin loanwords and the Albanian toponymy reveals that they are affected by the same late sound laws.

This indicates that both these lexical units have entered the Albanian language only in post-Christian times which creates a strong argument against the autochtony of the Albanians.

The Latin loanwords of Albanian have thus been integrated when the ancestors of the Albanians were still dwelling in the Balkan hinterland, in some areas distant from the Via Egnatia."


Likewise, other historians and linguists all accept that Albanian quantitatively has far more eastern than western latin loans. It is inconceivable to present this one off theory as having some sort of weight today in academia.


Noel Malcolm:

"Late Latin developed in two different forms in the Balkans: a coastal variety, which survived as a distinct language (known as Dalmatian) until the end of the nineteenth century, and the form spoken in the interior, which turned into Romanian and Vlach.

From place-names it is clear that the coastal form, spoken also in Shkodra and Durres, penetrated some way into the northern Albanian mountains.

There are some traces of this variety of Latin in Albanian, but the Albanian language's links with the inland variety of Balkan Latin are much stronger. This suggests that the centre of gravity ofAlbanian-Vlach symbiosis lay a little further to the east."

Yes, yes, I know. Every linguist that's not Matzinger is wrong. Now if we only could get Matzinger to agree with himself, because every 3 years he comes up with some new shit to sell books and keep his academic job.

And for the last time, stop spamming random bullshit. No one's gonna read your nonsense. Either do smaller or quotes or stop filling the threads with garbage.

 

[Johane Derite]

Yes, yes, I know. Every linguist that's not Matzinger is wrong. Now if we only could get Matzinger to agree with himself, because every 3 years he comes up with some new shit to sell books and keep his academic job.

Nope. You have to resort to lying constantly because your position isn't based on truthfully assessing the evidence.

Noel Malcolm is not Matzinger. Trying to single out Matzinger when this is the consensus in academia among all academics today is not going to achieve anything, it will just further discredit you.

Noel Malcolm also singles out Mihaescu as one of those earlier nonsense studies since it intentionally focussed on the religious vocabulary differences that were from a later stage when Romanians fell under the orthodox church.


Noel Malcolm:


67. Earlier studies linked Albanian exclusively with Romanian; more recent ones have tried to prise them apart, especially if written by Albanians trying to keep Albanian origins in Albania, or Romanians trying to keep Romanian origins in Romania: see Cabej, 'Zur Charakteristik'; Mihaescu,

'Les Elements' Mihaescu uses Latin Christian vocabulary in Albanian to emphasize its divergence from Romanian, but this is highly misleading: Romanian has a different vocabulary here simply because Romanians were later brought under the Orthodox Church."

 

[enter_tain]

Nope. You have to resort to lying constantly because your position isn't based on truthfully assessing the evidence.

Noel Malcolm is not Matzinger. Trying to single out Matzinger when this is the consensus in academia among all academics today is not going to achieve anything, it will just further discredit you.

Noel Malcolm also singles out Mihaescu as one of those earlier nonsense studies since it intentionally focussed on the religious vocabulary differences that were from a later stage when Romanians fell under the orthodox church.


Noel Malcolm:


67. Earlier studies linked Albanian exclusively with Romanian; more recent ones have tried to prise them apart, especially if written by Albanians trying to keep Albanian origins in Albania, or Romanians trying to keep Romanian origins in Romania: see Cabej, 'Zur Charakteristik'; Mihaescu,

'Les Elements' Mihaescu uses Latin Christian vocabulary in Albanian to emphasize its divergence from Romanian, but this is highly misleading: Romanian has a different vocabulary here simply because Romanians were later brought under the Orthodox Church."

What am I lying about? I literally quoted you people that have done this analysis. You don't like Albanian linguists, I showed you foreign linguists.

With you everything comes to down to Matzinger. Get a room.