Northerner: You keep missing my point. The EU, NATO, and the USA allowed Putin to destabilize NATO by precisely getting tied to Putin and Russian Oil and Gas. That has been the source of much of the contention. Trump is Trump, forget about him, because even now that he is gone, there are finally European leaders waking up that the Economic policy of Europe with Russian Oil and Gas is precisely why there was no push back on Putin when he 1) Invaded the Republic of Georgia and took over there Northern Provinces and 2) Invaded Crimea in 2014.
I have already gone down the Trump road with you. Not going to repeat it. And yes I have no use for anything Marxist. Trump's election was though a reaction to the elites of the USA regarding its arrogance towards people who still go to Church, live in small towns, own private business, working class jobs, and don't agree that 5 year old kids should be told they might need gender re-assignment surgery. That the US border is just a line that anyone can cross and to question it makes you a xenophobe. Trump, perhaps because he saw the "War fatigue" started hammering the Neo liberals (DEMS) and Neo-Cons (Republicans) who pushed for this order after the Soviet Union of globalist supply chain systems an trade, even with rouge states, with the hope that those countries would behave like the USA and Europe. It was stupid then and stupid now. I voted for George Bush 1, and to his credit, he did get an international coalition to deal with Sadam's invasion of Kuwait. But read the speech where he talks about the vital world economic impact if Sadam controlled the oil reserves in the Persian golf. This was the "new world order" speech.
As part of Bush 1 "new world Order", Bush 1 began this economic policy of globalist integration of the economic system which made the ruling elites "rich" at the expense of working-class Americans. Bush 1 would, even with the Tiananmen square incident, push for more China and USA trade relations. Despite criticisms of China and its Human rights abused, Clinton-Gore, Bush-Cheney, Obama-Biden continued Bush 1's "new world order" policies on both foreign policy and economic policy. It was and is all BS. Obama was pushing the TPP. Trump is the product of a failure of USA political leadership since the fall of the Soviet Union. Trump did not weaken NATO, NATO did to itself by allowing NATO countries Political leaders get to tied to Russia on Oil and Gas, which Putin weaponized. Trump was not a statesmen, yes, I agree, but on substance he was correct.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...d-order/b93b5cf1-e389-4e6a-84b0-85f71bf4c946/
After this Ukraine situation is resolved, the USA, Europe, countries like Australia and Japan and South Korea in the Asia-Pacific, and other Asian countries that want to integrate with countries that respect human rights, you trade and have economic ties with those countries. Yes, there are other countries that are not "Western" or like Asian countries like Japan and South Korea that have political systems that respect human rights and free elections that you might have to deal with (Countries in the Persian Gulf). So for example, countries like Qatar (who are relative to other countries in that region better on human rights), you can sign contracts to buy Oil and Natural Gas from them but they must commit not to fund terrorism. With that in mind, we don't interfere in their domestic affairs, they don't in ours..
But it is time for the USA and NATO to totally cut ties with Putin on economics. Totally. You can still buy oil and gas (Russian) on the spot market if there is an excess demand. The USA and NATO need to also decouple from China. If 5 years from now, you and I are still here (and I hope we both are), if the USA, NATO and EU, Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc, etc are still tied to Russia and China, then shame on us. And the surest way to avoid a Trumpian type Politician, is to do exactly that. And let me be clear, I dislike Trump personally, I have already said that, but on many issues like the China trade and Russian Oil and gas issues and the entire new world order project from Bush 1 to Obama, he was correct. So my vote from my perspective was not for Trump, it was 100% against Hillary Clinton. She is part of that same Neo-Liberal/Neo-con ideological cabal that I reject.
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