G25 My G25 Coordinates (share and compare)

[Euroblood]

Thanks! Are the bottom three individuals? Or just the bottom I also found this other one in my files of a girl named Sarah who is a Copt:

You know I wasn’t quite sure because, I just got them not long ago from the Moriopoulos North Africa collection and I thought they were singles but on another site Moriopoulos commented on one of the samples someone quoted from his “modern sample collection”. The had this in their question:

“Hello, in your published list of coordinates of modern samples, I came across an interesting Sample of a Nogai (or group of Nogais) with the name Nogai_Dagestan_o_(Ciscaucasian_Profile)”

And Moriopoulos replied:

“Those Dagestani Nogai outliers have the following IDs: GRC10047440, GRC10047455, GRC11053243. They're from the Hammer Lab and I have no further info about them”

So that sample was a set. So now I’m not sure, they might be sets. The one labeled Coptic Average is a set for sure and I got that from somewhere else. So help me find out if the North African collection from Mike Moriopoulos is made of averages or singles. Maybe someone here knows. Worst case scenario one of us could message Moriopoulos on genarchivist and find out.

Also I found a Coptic sample I had in my notes from a Coptic girl named Sarah. Here’s her coords:

Egypt_Copt_Sarah_scaled,0.018212,0.14319,-0.04978,-0.108529,0.00277,-0.042391,-0.010575,-0.002308,0.044382,-0.001458,0.00682,-0.01154,0.033003,0.003028,-0.000407,0.00305,0.001825,-0.005954,-0.008673,0.006628,-0.002496,0.000742,-0.002465,0.001566,-0.001437

 

[Euroblood]

Thanks! Are the bottom three individuals? Or just the bottom two?

Also, I see that the Nubian period woman from Thebes was missing in those coords, she’s number I4281

 

[qh777]

MENA_Egypt_Saite_Dynasty,0.0466677,0.1445437,-0.0472657,-0.1092823,-0.0011287,-0.0410897,-0.0144923,-0.001077,0.0434273,0.0053457,0.0144527,-0.0141873,0.0295833,-0.003716,0.0009047,-0.0015027,-0.0073013,-0.0015203,-0.0041477,0.011589,0.0100243,0.0025557,-0.0006163,0.0008833,-0.002794

This appears to be one that I didn't have but from a list on Exploreyourdna . com

Calculateur ExploreYourDNA - World 6th Century BC by Tomenable (Piotr Kapuscinski)

The goal of this calculator is to represent popul...

www.exploreyourdna.com

 

[qh777]

For fun.

 

[qh777]

From that 6th cent BC list here are her single and 2-way with mine.

 

[Euroblood]

For fun.

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Were you running the Copt girl against the full ancient population spreadsheet or did you place those sources there? I’m looking to build both a modern and ancient admixture breakdown of Egyptian Copts and Muslims using Ancient Egyptian samples as the indigenous source so I was thinking to either run them against the entire spreadsheets or add certain sources. And if I add certain sources, do you have a good idea of which? I was thinking adding Ancient Egyptians, Syria Umayyad, Canary Islands Guanche, Iraq ppna (Mesopotamia?), Israel MLBA, Kenya Kalapel 300bp. Maybe Greece too?? Any advice? I would also do another with modern sources parallel to those ancient ones

 

[qh777]

Were you running the Copt girl against the full ancient population spreadsheet or did you place those sources there? I’m looking to build both a modern and ancient admixture breakdown of Egyptian Copts and Muslims using Ancient Egyptian samples as the indigenous source so I was thinking to either run them against the entire spreadsheets or add certain sources. And if I add certain sources, do you have a good idea of which? I was thinking adding Ancient Egyptians, Syria Umayyad, Canary Islands Guanche, Iraq ppna (Mesopotamia?), Israel MLBA, Kenya Kalapel 300bp. Maybe Greece too?? Any advice? I would also do another with modern sources parallel to those ancient ones

I put that list together for fun. But I was showing that time can influence genetic distance. I'm the same distance to the Germany corded ware sample as Sarah was to the old kingdom Egyptian.

 

[qh777]

While IllustrativeDNA is doing an update I thought I would share my merged DNA file G25 coordinates:

Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled,0.129758,0.139128,0.057322,0.03553,0.040315,0.011156,-0.00611,0.003923,0.005113,0.008565,-0.009094,0.009891,-0.008622,-0.020231,0.023208,0.010475,-0.004433,-0.000507,0.004022,0.003001,0.011729,0.004699,-0.00419,0.015544,0.001437

 

[ssha_cha7]

Ssha_simulated_g25_scaled,0.131815,0.138708,0.065947,0.049273,0.04487,0.01953,0.004429,0.006897,0.006847,0.001575,-0.006579,0.003105,-0.007968,-0.002515,0.017658,0.00667,-0.006099,0.0016,0.003037,0.003759,0.004873,-0.000736,0.001274,0.009336,0.001261

Slightly more Celtic g25:

Sshh_scaled,0.129758,0.141159,0.070144,0.052003,0.040007,0.016176,0.00799,0.010615,0.006954,0.01057,-0.006496,-0.00015,-0.012339,-0.004404,0.019815,0.004641,-0.006258,0.006081,0.007039,0.009004,0.001123,-0.004699,-0.002835,0.015183,0.000359

I'm beginning to think the "g25" are actually better than the simulated.

 

[ssha_cha7]

Just a few runs on your merged coordinates. Time for a break for all of the DNA stuff.

However it looks interestingly that while Eurogenes apparently weighted 'North African' more, g25 seems to weigh 'Arab' coordinates more. Best of luck. Might be Arab conquest of Spain, might be anything.

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6799% / 0.00679919
68.6Ireland
21.0Spain
4.4Wales
2.0Iceland
1.4Greenland
1.4Portugal
1.0Morocco
0.2France

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6446% / 0.00644647
86.4Europe_Northwest
4.8Europe_South_Central
3.6MENA_Egypt_Saite_Dynasty
2.8Europe_Southwest
1.0MENA_Phoenician_States
0.8Europe_Southeast
...

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.7879% / 0.00787881
40.8England_MA
32.4Norse_Atlantic_MA
9.2Christian_Hispania_MA
8.2Sardinia_MA
6.6Al-Andalus_MA
1.6North_Africa_MA
1.0Saami_MA
0.2Byzantium_MA

 

[qh777]

Just a few runs on your merged coordinates. Time for a break for all of the DNA stuff.

However it looks interestingly that while Eurogenes apparently weighted 'North African' more, g25 seems to weigh 'Arab' coordinates more. Best of luck. Might be Arab conquest of Spain, might be anything.

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6799% / 0.00679919
68.6Ireland
21.0Spain
4.4Wales
2.0Iceland
1.4Greenland
1.4Portugal
1.0Morocco
0.2France

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6446% / 0.00644647
86.4Europe_Northwest
4.8Europe_South_Central
3.6MENA_Egypt_Saite_Dynasty
2.8Europe_Southwest
1.0MENA_Phoenician_States
0.8Europe_Southeast
...

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.7879% / 0.00787881
40.8England_MA
32.4Norse_Atlantic_MA
9.2Christian_Hispania_MA
8.2Sardinia_MA
6.6Al-Andalus_MA
1.6North_Africa_MA
1.0Saami_MA
0.2Byzantium_MA

I don't suspect Spanish. Although there could be a thread of ancestry from there out of many. Interestingly, a year or more ago I uploaded my ancestrydna and 23&me DNA files to myheritage.com to see what it's ethnicity estimator would assign. Both results yielded 2% or like 2.2% North African. Since Myheritage did an update, that ancestry was removed and the DNA test I did with them didn't assign it either.

 

[qh777]

Just a few runs on your merged coordinates. Time for a break for all of the DNA stuff.

However it looks interestingly that while Eurogenes apparently weighted 'North African' more, g25 seems to weigh 'Arab' coordinates more. Best of luck. Might be Arab conquest of Spain, might be anything.

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6799% / 0.00679919
68.6Ireland
21.0Spain
4.4Wales
2.0Iceland
1.4Greenland
1.4Portugal
1.0Morocco
0.2France

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6446% / 0.00644647
86.4Europe_Northwest
4.8Europe_South_Central
3.6MENA_Egypt_Saite_Dynasty
2.8Europe_Southwest
1.0MENA_Phoenician_States
0.8Europe_Southeast
...

Target: Qh777_mergedAncestryMH23&Mev4v5_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.7879% / 0.00787881
40.8England_MA
32.4Norse_Atlantic_MA
9.2Christian_Hispania_MA
8.2Sardinia_MA
6.6Al-Andalus_MA
1.6North_Africa_MA
1.0Saami_MA
0.2Byzantium_MA

Yeah my G25 results do seem to show a signal from the near east as does DNAGenic's ethnicity estimate (still not sure how much confidence to put in it) when set to Intermediate:

Conservative puts me in the U.K. only

 

[ssha_cha7]

Perhaps the source of the Amer Indian reading, Siberian c. 20,000 bp?

A wild guess and a search of "when did native Americans go from Siberia". I'd guess there are infinite possibilities and various combinations.
0.4% solely for that seems a lot however.

When I run for instance the G25 IllustrativeDNA on Chebyshev, here's how it reads in those models:

0.2 Old*Bering*Sea*Culture*(AD*200–1330)

 

[qh777]

Perhaps the source of the Amer Indian reading, Siberian c. 20,000 bc?

A wild guess and a search of "when did native Americans go from Siberia". I'd guess there are infinite possibilities and various combinations.
0.4% solely for that seems a lot however.

When I run for instance the G25 IllustrativeDNA on Chebyshev, here's how it reads in those models:

0.2 Old*Bering*Sea*Culture*(AD*200–1330)

Yeah could be. That's what I was saying earlier; it's from overlap from Ancient North Eurasians(ANE). Eastern European hunter-gatherers (EHGs) and Caucasus hunter gatherers (CHGs) have this ANE admix. From the mix between CHGs and EHGs formed the western steppe herders that later developed into recognizable cultures like the Yamnaya. And this western steppe population is present in modern Europeans and some Near easterners. Native Americans can derive their ancient ancestry from two main sources, the ANE and ancient northeast Asians.

 

[Jesuscan23]

ChandlerYoung_scaled,0.126344,0.126941,0.056568,0.037791,0.036007,0.014502,0.003055,0.004846,0.006545,0.000547,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.011893,-0.004542,0.018865,-0.002652,-0.020861,0.008108,0.005782,-0.004877,0.000873,0.004575,-0.000246,0.006025,0.002155

 

[ssha_cha7]

After posting Myheritage results I started to think about the Balkan. It seems lots of Latvians and Lithuanians etc have some of their Baltic split to the Balkans. With Ancestry it was consolidated.

Perhaps older assimilated migrations that MyHeritage recognizes. Tried out my MDLP and Genoplot-Eurogenes simulated coordinates with Chebyshev, and was able to attribute some Slovenian, Slovakian.

All a million percent hypothetical and for fun.

Target: sshh-MDLP-sim_scaled

Chebyshev distance: 0.3540% / 0.00354023 | ADC: 0.25x RC

34.8 Wales
18.4 France
7.8 England
7.8 Germany
7.8 Scotland
5.6 Spain
5.2 Lithuania
5.0 Finland
1.8 Russia
1.4 Denmark
1.2 Slovenia
1.0 Estonia
1.0 Latvia
1.0 Poland
0.2 Sweden

sshh-MDLP-sim_scaled,0.1322,0.1361,0.065,0.0446,0.0437,0.0128,0.0013,0.0061,0.0105,0.0033,-0.0068,0.0032,-0.0088,-0.0069,0.0153,0.0026,-0.0043,-0.0001,0.0024,0.0008,0.0006,-0.0001,-0.0035,0.0029,-0.0017

In reality there are only three matches in Slovenia and eleven in Hungary. Likely the update will repair this.

 

[qh777]

Interesting results Chandler.

 

[qh777]

Does Davidski have his own website up where one can purchase G25 coordinates from him? I'm curious to see if G25 coordinates produced from my merged DNA file from him would differ.

 

[ssha_cha7]

Ultimately the source of these small readings, exists in some sort of form, and likely connect to R-Z93. And appears larger in unscaled G25. Using Eurogenes unscaled ancient avg, modern avg and individuals

Mongolian
KAZ Golden Horde Asian
3.60%

China WLR BA O
2.40%

Manchurian Mongolian
3.40%
Buryat

The sensible thing is take Ancestry or 23andMe. Really I am simply too lazy.

 

[qh777]

The sensible thing is take Ancestry or 23andMe. Really I am simply too lazy.

If you like the subject enough you should test when both companies run a sale. And then you can merge your raw dna files all together on DNAGenics and then use that merged file to make G25 coordinates. And uploading it to MyTrueAncestry etc.