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Iosif Lazaridis: Proto-Indo-Europeans had dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermed‌iate skin tone

Pax Augusta said:
You don't have to tell me that; I am responding to those who value distance as revealing something important.



An Iron Age population of southern Europe that was WHG, EEF, and Steppe, even though they had fewer Steppes and more EEF than northern Europeans, still plotted closer to northern Europeans. What brings some southern European populations closer to MENA populations is a mix of factors, the decline of WHG, and the growth of Iran_N and CHG, which we know have been going around since the Bronze Age.
of Iran_N and CHG, which we know have been going around since the Bronze Age.
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Then perhaps correct him. WHG is unique to Europe whereas Yamnaya isn't and Northern Europeans have the most of it so of course Southern European populations such as Iberians who have non-negligible amounts of it will be pulled closer to Northerners. Growth of Iran_N/CHG has been offset by the growth of Yamnaya from Normans/Slavs.
 
gourd2 said:
what else could be used? if we are not particularly interested in population migrations but just in the genetic similiarity of populations then those distances aren't that bad or are they? we could also use Fst but i can't find studies that compared a lot of european and middle eastern populations that way.
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IBD sharing.
 
thejoker said:
He could have said that North and Central Italians are Belgians or French or even Brits going with your extreme meticolouseness in measuring distances and get pissed off by, but he didn't.
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We Northern Italians practice self restraint, even with trolls from The Apricity/Reddit :ROFLMAO: That's the way to get under their skin, as this new "Swiss" user already on a desperate 10-posts streak shows...
 
thejoker said:
Heretolearn may have not considered Estonians and Belarussians in measuring distances but the point still stand and Italians are not Iranians.
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I used the word "comparable" in my second post about this matter, stating that Iranians' genetic distances to Italians within Europe can only be COMPARABLE to those with far North-Eastern Europeans (which Belarusans and Estonians are). That is a VERY slight "correction", if you want me to call it that, to my previous statement anyway and it doesn't change one iota the reality I have been expressing with my posts.

Either way the distance to Iranians is extremely significant in the context of our discussion, so I am right and this puts the "Swiss" user and Moja (who claimed that there are no big genetic differences between Italians and Iranians, least we forget) to bed.
 
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lockdownboredom said:
IBD sharing.
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IBD measures recent descent about few hundred years not closeness or the distance of two populations. Fst is the tool that should be used.

For example, here you can see the distance of Greeks to Iranians and other global populations. Compared to global diversity, westeurasian distances are ridiculously low.
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Anfänger said:
IBD measures recent descent about few hundred years not closeness or the distance of two populations. Fst is the tool that should be used.

For example, here you can see the distance of Greeks to Iranians and other global populations. Compared to global diversity, westeurasian distances are ridiculously low. View attachment 17896
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FST is nothing more than a tool, like most of those used in genetics, of statistics whose results are only estimates, not absolute truths. Besides, FST is perhaps one of the oldest, as it already appears in studies from the early 1990s, which were very approximate.

Since even in the Greeks there is a cline, the results depend greatly on which Greek sample is chosen. Even the Iranian samples themselves show some variability.
 
Pax Augusta said:
FST is nothing more than a tool, like most of those used in genetics, of statistics whose results are only estimates, not absolute truths. Besides, FST is perhaps one of the oldest, as it already appears in studies from the early 1990s, which were very approximate.

Since even in the Greeks there is a cline, the results depend greatly on which Greek sample is chosen. Even the Iranian samples themselves show some variability.
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I know every statistics tool uses estimates, that‘s why it says 'est' and has a standard error. The distances were made with Admixtools which was released in 2012 and should be equal to the scientific studies in genetics. What is true is that IBD sharing used for genetic distances or closeness is just false. I was referring to this comment.
 
Anfänger said:
This is cattle not people. Provide a source where this is taken from.
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It talks about the cattle carrying farmers, source: Origin and Spread of Domestication and Farming, By Premendra Priyadarshi.
 
This is the Abstract from that paper by Premendra Priyadarshi. No wonder I haven’t heard about it. It is pure nonsense.
So far, the Harvard historians and their British counterparts have chosen to present fake archaeological information, to establish the antiquity of West Asian Neolithic and domestication. In this book, original excavations reports have been compared for India on the one side and Syria, Israel, Jordan, Syria and Turkey on the other. This gives a completely different direction to history. The examination of ancient DNAs of the skeletons from the different parts of Eurasia, confirms an out of India migration, which can be demonstrated by means of archaeology as well as ancient DNAs. The white skin colour gene originated in India and with time it migrated to the north, where it increased in frequency due to strong selection pressure.
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www.academia.edu

Origin and Spread of Domestication and Farming

So far, the Harvard historians and their British counterparts have chosen to present fake archaeological information, to establish the antiquity of West Asian Neolithic and domestication. In this book, original excavations reports have been compared
www.academia.edu
 
Anfänger said:
This is the Abstract from that paper by Premendra Priyadarshi. No wonder I haven’t heard about it. It is pure nonsense.


www.academia.edu

Origin and Spread of Domestication and Farming

So far, the Harvard historians and their British counterparts have chosen to present fake archaeological information, to establish the antiquity of West Asian Neolithic and domestication. In this book, original excavations reports have been compared
www.academia.edu
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Honestly the Out of India hypothesis is much less racist and much less bigoted than the Steppe hypothesis.
 
Anfänger said:
This is the Abstract from that paper by Premendra Priyadarshi. No wonder I haven’t heard about it. It is pure nonsense.


www.academia.edu

Origin and Spread of Domestication and Farming

So far, the Harvard historians and their British counterparts have chosen to present fake archaeological information, to establish the antiquity of West Asian Neolithic and domestication. In this book, original excavations reports have been compared
www.academia.edu
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Honestly the Out of India hypothesis is much less racist and much less bigoted than the Steppe hypothesis.
 
Vallicanus said:
Still false.
Stop spamming nonsense.
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Who care what you consider false or spam?! All scientific studies support CHG/Iranian ancestry of Indo-Europeans, Indians have also a large amount of this ancestry.
 
Moja said:
Who care what you consider false or spam?! All scientific studies support CHG/Iranian ancestry of Indo-Europeans, Indians have also a large amount of this ancestry.
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As I have already explained, this is not exactly true. Beyond the fact that Lazaridis in his last paper published in 2025 no longer makes a clear equivalence between CHG and Iran_N, we are not talking about the Indo-Europeans anyway, we are talking about the linguistic ancestors of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
 
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