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Iosif Lazaridis: Proto-Indo-Europeans had dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermed‌iate skin tone

I'm amazed that the feeding of a troll is 10 pages worth so far. The picture with the "Iranian football fans" is hilarious. There's just an elderly lady with two other women behind her that are Iranian. All the other people in the picture are Russian or European. Some even have Russian flags painted on their cheeks or wear scarfs in Russian colours. Then the cherry-picking of phenotypes that represents 0,5% of the population, doctoring pictures to make the people on them more light-skinned or showing them from various "favourable" angles.

It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy. Why is the OP allowed to start the same kind of threads all over again? All his threads are variations on the same theme. This being said, I don't want to insult the Iranian people. I am very fond of them and think that they have every reason to be proud of their history and cultural heritage. But their heritage has nothing to do with Europe and only very little with the PIEs.
 
norbert said:
I'm amazed that the feeding of a troll is 10 pages worth so far. The picture with the "Iranian football fans" is hilarious. There's just an elderly lady with two other women behind her that are Iranian. All the other people in the picture are Russian or European. Some even have Russian flags painted on their cheeks or wear scarfs in Russian colours. Then the cherry-picking of phenotypes that represents 0,5% of the population, doctoring pictures to make the people on them more light-skinned or showing them from various "favourable" angles.

It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy. Why is the OP allowed to start the same kind of threads all over again? All his threads are variations on the same theme. This being said, I don't want to insult the Iranian people. I am very fond of them and think that they have every reason to be proud of their history and cultural heritage. But their heritage has nothing to do with Europe and only very little with the PIEs.
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Those are Iranian Football Fans in St. Petersburg, Russia, source: https://www.dreamstime.com/fifa-fan...d-cup-iranian-fans-stand-crowd-image119920295

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Of course some of them can be Russian but this is just based on your racist thoughts that you see a big difference between them, for this reason you say a white European girl is beautiful but the famous Iranian actress Shohreh Ghamar is an ugly depigmented Iranian!

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norbert said:
It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy.
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So accurate.
 
norbert said:
The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks.
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The fact is that the people who really suffer from inferiority complex are South Europeans, especially Italians, I have myself said that the majority of Iranians have dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermed‌iate skin tone, like what Lazaridis said about the original Indo-Europeans, but it seems some Italians don't like to believe this thing about the people of their country and tried to prove they have a bit lighter skin color!
 
Moja said:
The fact is that the people who really suffer from inferiority complex are South Europeans, especially Italians, I have myself said that the majority of Iranians have dark hair, brown eyes, and an intermed‌iate skin tone, like what Lazaridis said about the original Indo-Europeans, but it seems some Italians don't like to believe this thing about the people of their country and tried to prove they have a bit lighter skin color!
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No need to prove anything, it is what it is. Also Lazaridis never said or even hinted that the original Indo-Europeans looked like the modern Iranians give us a break, you are a clown but even clowns get boring after while.
 
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gourd2 said:
considering that a big chunk of your posts on this site revolves around phenotypes i wouldn't be surprised if you actually have an account on the Apricity.
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As far as I can see it's only your insecure Middle Eastern buddy here who keeps spamming his useless pics. I correct myself, not "useless" but in fact "harmful" to his own agenda.

As for you, tell me more about your own activity on this site as you apparently came here only to participate to this thread. How weird. You do sound like an old acquaintance for Italians. In fact I've never been a TA user but I've read old posts of someone who looks a lot like you... ;)
 
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HereToLearn said:
You can immediately tell who's the Russian and who's the Iranian in these pictures, once again you are embarassing yourself and your people.
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How do you know? Tell me who's the Russian and who's the Iranian, Volodin, chairman of Russian parliament or Ghalibaf, chairman of Iranian parliament?

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Who's Russian? Larijani, former chairman of Iranian parliament or Ramin, former Vice Minister of Iran?

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Moja said:
‎Iranian, Italian businessmen discuss two countries' trade capacities: https://en.irna.ir/news/83573731/Iranian-Italian-businessmen-discuss-two-countries-trade-capacities

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Which of these are Italian?
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In this very blurred pic with most of the faces covered, i can clearly see who's not Iranian and could never be found there as typical anyway. The old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms and the guy behind third raw are for sure Italians.. They are very typical Italians and they don't look nothing Iranian infact.

The fact that few Iranians could pass and viceversa changes nothing. The differences on average are still enormous.
 
Moja said:
This thread is about this thing, you can discuss about other things in another thread, it is a honor to be a Pakistani.
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Of course. Then why are you using this thread to post pictures of depigmented Iranians while insistently claim that they look like Europeans?
 
thejoker said:
In this very blurred pic with most of the faces covered, i can clearly see who's not Iranian and could never be found there as typical anyway. The old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms and the guy behind third raw are for sure Italians.. They are very typical Italians and they don't look nothing Iranian infact.

The fact that few Iranians could pass and viceversa changes nothing. The differences on average are still enormous.
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I'm interested to know why you consider them as "Itanian", the old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms reminds me of Iranian filmmaker Dariush Mehrjui, I just searched for "Dariush Mehrjui" in Google Image:

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Richard Galliano is a French accordionist of Italian heritage, Marco Pierre White is also an English chef of Italian heritage.
 
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norbert said:
I'm amazed that the feeding of a troll is 10 pages worth so far. The picture with the "Iranian football fans" is hilarious. There's just an elderly lady with two other women behind her that are Iranian. All the other people in the picture are Russian or European. Some even have Russian flags painted on their cheeks or wear scarfs in Russian colours. Then the cherry-picking of phenotypes that represents 0,5% of the population, doctoring pictures to make the people on them more light-skinned or showing them from various "favourable" angles.

It is a love-hate relationship that some Middle Easterners have with Europe and white people in general. The people most suffering from this inferiority complex are the Iranians, the Lebanese and the Turks. It's a combination of hatred and jealousy. Why is the OP allowed to start the same kind of threads all over again? All his threads are variations on the same theme. This being said, I don't want to insult the Iranian people. I am very fond of them and think that they have every reason to be proud of their history and cultural heritage. But their heritage has nothing to do with Europe and only very little with the PIEs.
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i'm amazed how this inferiority complex nonsense is coming up over and over again as if it was a fact and not just a vile attribution, in a way even racist.
 
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Moja said:
I'm interested to know why you consider them as "Itanian", the old man with black sweater and glasses with crossed arms reminds me of Iranian filmmaker Dariush Mehrjui, I just searched for "Dariush Mehrjui" in Google Image:

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Richard Galliano is a French accordionist of Italian heritage, Marco Pierre White is also an English chef of Italian heritage.
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PCA charts show a big distance between Iranians and Italians.

Stop spamming.
 
Inferiority complex is not a myth, it exists in some people and even populations. It could the explanation of some deportments on line, but we may not use this concept with too much certainty when we think to some people pny hypothesize it. So a '?' is welcome then. Sometimes, History can explain it.
I'm often against Moja interpretations but he furnishes often some docs of worth (not only pic's but ancient names, &...); I don't speak here of some pic's without too much importance.
Concerning phoenotypes (and stereotypes, often neighbours) I think, despite some closeness with Near-East, Iranians as a whole show a bit more often individuals with something "Europeanlike" in features, or something we can consider as "Europeanlike"; where from? And what about the ANE input? -
But Iran is very wide with large regions and in some parts of it we can see a trend towards a slightly darker complexion with features evoking a southern Asia input. BTW Italy regions offers differences too, as well in their localizations on PCA's, PCA's which I consider more accurate than our features and colours estimations.
+: Here we speak of today features, are they the same ones as in ancient times? Drift can occur regionally as we know.
&: even PCA's have to be looked at from farther: the "big" distances we can see in some times on Great Europe scales are very tiny (even for Southwestern Asia) when compared to East-Asians and SSA people at a world scale.
 
Moja, I see you deleted the post, however for future reference I saved the image of the PCA you posted, here it is.
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