Recent content by broder

BY611 is a CTS1450 linage. Senior moments, R1b as just R1b, what have you been smoking lately my friend?

Sure, come back when we get a CTS1450 from Iron Age outside of the Balkans or I guess overall outside of Illyrian context.

No one made a big deal Even the Paeonian guy from Lisicin Dol is BY250- What was pointed out to you then, which seems like you didn’t get it, is that what these samples are showing is that Illyrians seem to have had quite some CTS1450 diversity.

The issue you run into when you theorize like Riverman, V13 vs L283, let’s say for Z5018 clades, you have to find a compact population that carried most of those clades to prove your theory, because you are missing over 2000 year gap between when those clades started diversifying and expanding...

Who knows what he considers ‘the most typical Illyrian’ Logically speaking, yes - one would think he is talking about L283.

Interesting, noticed I41663 at FTDNA they had him under Y229537 yfull node. Really good reads for FGC14730 and currently splits that yfull node: FGC14730 (G+) Y229640 (A-) Y229542 (A-) MF78736 (C-) I am seeing only some Tosks there, Gjirokaster/Vlore. Just above a sample from Kukes.

Yeah I think so, CTS699 was probably Mycenaean

Kek Why would i want him to be Creek 🤣 He’s probably mystery meat from some Roman/Avar mixed settlement but obviously ultimately from central/western Balkans

From this data set you have five confirmed BY611+ I41663 (Y32147) - South Slavic cluster, closest population wise to Pannonian Avars I43465 (PH970) - South Slavic cluster, closest population Montenegro High Medieval Doclea I40319 (BY611) - Slavic shifted, Hungary High Medieval closest...

I wasn’t saying it’s Illyrian. Yes, that’s a Roman site and I counted three V13, four J2a, one J1, one L283 and one G2a. It’s a Roman melt pot type of site, so without knowing the context of that sample we can’t say exactly what he is or how he formed that profile. He could be from such a site...

Btw, based on that G25 clusterer tool, the FTD60421 fella clusters with "Greece_BA_Epirus" and his closest population are "Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Hvar_Radosevic (BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile).

A possibility, sure.

I wouldn't make much of that female from Shtike. She obviously came to Albania during the migration era just by looking at her Mtdna. The whole tmrca of that clade is like only 1850: https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U4c1/ The unfortunate thing is that they only got us one sample, and a female from...

Yeah, those may be Iapygians - there was a ‘leak’ that one of them may be BY251, so could be one of those samples. But yes, core seems Illyrian Cinamak like. I28428 is even PH925, like that other Cinamak sample, Beli Manastir R3542 and that Czech Hallsttat I14983 fella.

Interesting, only few are major outliers - the rest seem to be between Cinamak and that Thracian cluster. Can you label all of their IDs so I know which ones to drill into?