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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    The further back you go and compare these ancient genetic groups with modern population. Ancient populations even within themselves always appear more genetically diverse compared to the diversity within modern population (especially Europeans). I don't think this is a matter of opinion but a...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    My statement is not meant as an attack on Indians, British, Baltic or any other folks. I was just trying to visualize how people this far distant from the actual regions of question, would have very lengthy debates over 50-200 km of distance of land, because of an artificial "border" created...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    I think there is a consensus among the scientist today that, although Yamnaya is essential for the dispersal of most Indo European languages, it is not ground zero. Indo-Anatolian is very unlikely from Yamnaya but represents more like a brother branch to Core Yamnaya. And this Proto IA-Yamnaya...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    Also it seems to be finally a consensus now that Yamnaya is not where it all started. Yamnaya represents the ancestor of Corded Ware and afanasievo. Linguistically Tocharian might be what best represents the proto speech of Yamnaya folks Morever Persian is a West Iranic tongue and evolved in...
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    Genetic study The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

    I haven't been here for a long time. This new paper is very interesting and indeed proves what many of the users had proposed earlier. I always said Indo Europeans do not seem to be derived from a single atomic culture and genetic group, but rather formed more out of a cultural network from the...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    That is actually exactly what I meant. I wrote it is a "deadend" in the sense, it is a branch off (Brother clade) which does not fit the known mutations. Therefore the *. As you see they tested for the downstream mutation which define L23 for R1b and in case of the R1a for z93 or z280. But it...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    It is M269* it means , this is a dead end of M269, because all the mutations needed for the known downstream clades are negative. To give as example the Kurdish sample from the blog = 1x R1a*(L62+, L63+, SRY10831.2-, M17-) It was done by 23andMe they tested for the Mutations L62, L63, SRY10831.2...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    M269 is upstream to Z2103. And it is not even just M269 but also much more ancestral M343. I just haven't been around for a long time and totally forgot it. Among Kurds you find Z2103, M269 and even more archaic M343. Here is a list of Haplogroups found among Kurds. Interestingly there was even...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    R1b-Z2103 is very widespred in Kurds of Northwest Iran. The map on Eupedia gives you a false impression because it is based on some samples in the Kordestan province. While only a fragment of Kurds in iran live in that province. The Kurds around Urmiya in the "West Azerbaijan" province or those...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    Flora and Fauna in the North of the Iranian Plateau.
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    Difference between Anatolian-N and Levant N = The Level of Natufian like dna vs the Level of Dzudzuana like dna. Difference beween Anatolian and Levant-Neo to CHG & Iran-N = ANE admixture in the latter two. And the difference between CHG & Iran-N = The level of ANE admixture. There is also no...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    The difference between Iran-Neo and CHG is basically the different amount of ANE like ancestry. And these are not singular components there are allo of transitional states in between. The same with Anatolian-Neo to Levant-Neo. The difference is basically higher amount of Natufian like ancetry...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    The stronger appearance of Levant-N is also in the Bronze Age samples. Which fits perfectly with the migration of Akkadians(Ancestors of the Assyrians, Babylonians) into Mesopotamia in the very same timeframe. The samples look much more like Anatolian-N + CHG/Iran-N. With Levant-N getting...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    We find throughout the Western and Northern regions of the Iranian plateau several people/civilizations/cultures who spoke languages which we were not able to identify nor they appear related to each other. Elamite to the South appears to be completely distinct from Kassite and Lullubi which...
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    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    From what I have seen of the samples. These Mesopotamian samples are roughly inbetween Anatolian-Neo, Levant-Neo, Iranian-Neo and CHG. In fact They appear genetically very close to Iran-Hasanlu which is Iran-Ganj Dareh which is Iran-Calcholithic. Iran-Calcholithic itself is aleady more CHG...
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    Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, N.Levant & S. Caucasus

    Only one clan of R1b z203 survived among the Yamnaya and it had nothing to do with the possibility that it is a Steppe lineage. Remember these guys also took over from the other "Hunter" clans of R1b and likely even some other clans of Z203 had lost the bet too. What we see on these Steppe...
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    Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, N.Levant & S. Caucasus

    Theoretically I could program a new app and become a billionair. It is "possible" but is it likely? This is the way they argue. They present you one of the most unlikely conclusions as the best explanation. Not only Carlos but some other people too.
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    Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, N.Levant & S. Caucasus

    Let me tell you something. One of the biggest attraction of Steppe Indo_Iranians such as Scythians, Sarmatians and Cimmerians is down to the fact that they are related to the Mitanni/Medes/Parthians and Old Persians/Sassanids. The interests in Scythians, especially in Europe grew by the fact...
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    Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, N.Levant & S. Caucasus

    No, it suggests a split from the core of Indo Europeans before the others. This could be explained in two ways. A: Anatolian and "Steppe Indo European" splitted up somewhere unknown with Steppe Indo European moving into the Steppes. and Proto Anatolian into Anatolia. B: P-Anatolia split up...
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    Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, N.Levant & S. Caucasus

    There is no real Steppe ancestry (Steppe in the sense of Steppe Bronze Age Indo European) in any of these samples. For the millions time if you wanted to you could even model mesolithic Iran_Hotu samples as partly Steppe admixed. All of this is just shared ancestry. That is what all these...
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