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Sintashta were added because, as alternative to Catacomb thesis, possible historical source population for Mycenaeans. The relationship to the modeling of other European populations, notably NW Europe, is incidental.

I forgot what Jovialis had said about Chalcolithic Italian --> reflects WHG resurgence during Copper Age I shall investigate how Nordic BA and Sintashta are relevant for modeling Irish. Would not want to drag down the tenor of the conversation.

Is Sintashta somehow an artificial proxy for what original Bell Beaker populations may have looked like?

Although Jovialis has already done a ton of work, I often wonder why he uses certain reference populations in the models. So with this model we have: (1) Yamnaya -- (2) Sintashta -- the actual group never entered West Europe -- and yet Northern Italian, French, Spaniards, British Isles...

@Palermo Trapani -- on the commercial Ancestry.com test my autosomal results agree with "intuition," i.e., my percentage of a given ancestral component is usually half of my mother's percentage. So I score 29% Irish. Rather, it's on the calculators for ancient components that the results seem...

in South Asia, this ancestry arrived with 582 Steppe MLBA cultures in 1,800-1,500 BCE (8). The Steppe MLBA groups were genetically 583 formed as an admixture of Steppe pastoralist-derived groups and European Neolithic farmers 584 following the eastward expansion of CWC groups between...

Something is amiss, as my mother is 33% Nordic_BA, and I score none. And she is 19.3 Sintashta, and I have only 2.1. So my Calabrian father may in fact have a lot more Minoan than me. It's all rather counter intuitive. Why do the tests not work for a "mixed" European background? And what is...

I'm struck by how high Palermo Trapani's Minoan component is (70%) and how low mine is (a mere 1.2%, even allowing that I'm only half Calabrese). Did the two "Greek" clines that Jovialis speaks of on the La Tena thread operate also in the Far South?

For me personally, this is the most fascinating question.

The "Greek" component of my Calabrian Tirrenica is definitely the Aegean Islander type; the other major component seems to be Hallstatt-like (though my results are always tricky to interpret as I am half British).

Where is the Nordic_BA sample from? Is it a "pre German" population? The Irish seem to score very high in it, Brits in general.

this is me (half Calabria, half British Isles) on Duarte's test from post 153 Target: malaparte Distance: 0.3736% / 0.37364661 17.8 Yamnaya 14.3 C_Italian_N 13.9 La_Tène 12.4 Anatolian_N 11.6 Anatolian_BA 10.8 Corded_Ware 8.3 Sintashta 4.3 C_Italian_ChL...

My results (modern ancestry is 50% Calabria, 50% British Isles) -- I'm surprised the Minoan is so low Target: dominic Distance: 0.5139% / 0.51389491 25.2 Hallstatt 23.7 Anatolian_BA 23.6 Yamnaya 10.7 C_Italian_ChL 7.6 C_Italian_N 3.3 Remedello 2.6...

This is an account dealing with Sicily, from Italicsmag -- obviously not an academic study, but hey, it's something The presence of the Jews in Sicily and in Southern Italy goes back to the first century before the modern era. While conquering Roman armies operating in the Mediterranean basin...

Why this need to belittle me in making your arguments? Why so much rage? I never claimed that there was "anything unique" about Calabria or Sicily. Rather, I said that along with Spain these were the centers of Jewish life in Western Europe until circa 1500. Is this controversial? Yes...

I didn't say it was peculiar to Calabria. Rather, I used Calabria as an example for the South as a whole. However, where do you get the 3% to 6% figure from? That's the kind of number that interests me. And it's still much higher than Jewish share of population anywhere north of Alps and...

Yes, she strikes me as rather "opportunistic" in her manner and approach. However, the historian Villella seems a more substantial figure. This is his biography page == http://www.lameziastorica.it/bio.html And I think there was quite a bit of Jewish proselytism during Hellenistic and Roman...

Here's an article, from an Italian newspaper, reciting the 40% Jewish claim ==...

But this begs the question of the ancestral component found in 7.5% of South Italians and 27% of Tunisians, and in lower percentages of other Western Mediterranean. Let's grant that it doesn't point to descent from Sephardics. What does it point to then? I mentioned the historian Vincenzo...

This suggests to me a Carthaginian source, but even on this theory it is incongruous that the "putative" component would be so much higher in South Italy than Andalusia