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  1. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Regarding the question of why western Jews autosomally diverged from their original Levantine macro-cluster, there are a number of hypotheses. I have written this again in another post more or less. It is almost certain that some must have coalesced in Greek-inhabited areas, but to what extent i...
  2. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I agree, we need more data for safer conclusions. By the way, does MTA even have Crete_Armenoi in its spreadsheet? I can only hypothesize that it isn't included.
  3. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here is again the Eurogenes K15 PCA of the Crete_Armenoi sample in gold and the four Mycenaean ones in purple for comparison. I also have it in page 80. I would say it is closer to Thessaly than the Iron Age Bulgarian (Thracian) sample. I am myself almost on top of Thessaly as well. Although as...
  4. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I did touch upon this paper here, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page80?p=597669&viewfull=1#post597669. As it puts it, "Population expansions during the Middle Ages, for instance those related to the Slavic migrations, could have affected...
  5. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Most of the southern/central/eastern Balkans must have had a close autosomal affinity. I am not sure about northwestern Balkans though who show less uniformity (the thread includes MBA and IA Croatians). I believe the autosomal picture of the ancient Balkans is most accurately presented in...
  6. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Thanks mate. We did touch upon those in page 68. We also had exchanged some PMs about it back in November, so i am aware of your results as well.
  7. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I agree on Peloponnesus, but not necessarily as we move north into the proto-Greek region where we also find the origin of the Dorians (namely Pindus mountain range more or less), or even Thrace. Here is the respective Global 25 autosomal map for the Iron Age Bulgarian (namely Thracian) for...
  8. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I see what you write, and i am not negating the possibility of a Bastarnae origin. Bastarnae seem to have been very much associated with the Celts. Possibly even a Celtic tribe originally? Furthermore, how does the Bastarnae-Dardani war fit with the presence of I-Y18831 in Greece? Didn't all of...
  9. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Yeah, and more precisely sometime between 279 BCE (year that the Celts invaded Greece and also foundation of Tylis in 277 BCE) and 0 BCE/CE (generally sometime after 100 BCE which is the TMRCA of I-Y18331 per YFull). Very likely it was after the destruction of Tylis in 212 BCE that might have...
  10. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    The evidence we have till now shows that I-Y3120>Y18331 came way later in the Balkans. Therefore unrelated to the cultures of the Vučedol, Četina, and Balkano-Lower Danubian complex i presented here...
  11. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Thank you.
  12. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I don't understand your question. Can you elaborate?
  13. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Nice tool, i was unaware of it. Here are some more images that relate to I-Y18831 exclusively (not subclades). yDNA Path to I-Y18331 SNPTracker-migration SNPTracker-speed All these would complement what i hypothesized above for the Celtic origin of the clade. Maybe not directly through...
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here are the four Mycenaean samples as TARGETS. I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
  15. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here are mine as well. Modern Ancient Modern+Ancient
  16. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I did expand on this in page 80, where i also explain my current view.
  17. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    You are not wrong. I agree on the multi-cultural aspect, since during the Classical period, Herodotus gives us many distinct inhabitants of the broader region of Armenia for example, Armenians, Alarodians, Chaldaioi, Kolchoi, Makrones, Mares, Moschoi, Mossynoikoi, Saspeires, Tibarenoi (Tabali in...
  18. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Hurro-Urartian appears to be an early branch of PIE, so does substratic Armenian which seems to fall in this branch. As for Mannaeans, they were part of the same Hurro-Urartian branch. So, PIE based on Fournet would be divided in Branch 1 (Hurro-Urartian) and Branch 2 (Eteo-Indo-European), which...
  19. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Therefore you also agree, that's nice to read. But let's not diminish the role of Caucasian in the formation of PIE at least. An author that agrees with the IE classification of Hurro-Urartian, and mentioned in Fournet's paper as a co-author of another paper, namely Allan Bomhard, has also...
  20. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Enjoy what?
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