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  1. Vitruvius

    MBA to Classical/Early Roman era Mainland Greeks PCA

    A few thoughts: The north macedonia samples are from paeonia, not historic Greek Macedonia. Paeonians are likely good analogues for what actual Macedonians and other closely related northern Greeks resembled autosomally, however, so I think this assumptive label is reasonable. I also think...
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    MBA to Classical/Early Roman era Mainland Greeks PCA

    This seems to line up with what Skourtanioti et al. reported; Anatolian dominant influence in the islands and Balkan influence in the mainland during the Bronze age; the Mycenaean population was being pulled both ways. It would appear that as time went on the Anatolian influence increased and...
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    Genetic affinities between an ancient Greek colony and its metropolis: the case of 2 Amvrakia in western Greece

    Thanks for this PCA. The Tenea late Hellenistic clustering with central Italians is of particular interest. This individual may ultimately be from somewhere more northerly in Greece.
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    Ethnic groups of Southeast Europe

    Interesting to see that just East Thrace alone has a higher population than the entire nation of Greece.
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    Italian HO populations Divided by Province (SmartPCA)

    Yes and this is just another part of the background nuance that most people lack. There was not a hard ethnic separation between mainland Greeks and Western Anatolians by the Greek Dark ages. They were understood to be the same ethnic group even if we now know their genes were not totally...
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    Genetic affinities between an ancient Greek colony and its metropolis: the case of 2 Amvrakia in western Greece

    Those who have been paying attention to the data will already know this. Anatolia clearly had a massive population with a high fertility rate from the Neolithic through at least the Iron age. Its only major admixture event prior to the Turks was with the Caucasus during the transition from...
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    Genetic study The POPGEN project: building a French reference panel of genomes

    Yes, and Marseille is part of South-Eastern France. Also, genetic distance to modern Tuscans is being used as simply an arbitrary reference population chosen to represent central Italians - not some sort of documentation of direct contribution or admixture from Tuscany (which I think is...
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    Genetic study The POPGEN project: building a French reference panel of genomes

    It is well known that Marseille was founded as the ancient Greek colony of Massalia which is why I mention both. It's probably impossible to quantify how much contribution from each at this stage.
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    Genetic study The POPGEN project: building a French reference panel of genomes

    Yes, good catch on my mistake. The 1768 (not 1786) treaty of Versailles is what I was referring to.
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    Italian HO populations Divided by Province (SmartPCA)

    As with all things, the less knowledgable will place their focus on binary results, attempting to oversimplify history into a predetermined framework which it does not match. The reality of the ethnological history of Italy is functionally no different than the history any other major european...
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    Italian HO populations Divided by Province (SmartPCA)

    You already know this but I've been long advocating that the vast majority of the genome of southern Italy to be a result of Magna Graecian input with perhaps some further augmentation from later Imperial era Greek sources from both Anatolia, Peloponnesian Greece and their adjacent islands. I...
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    Genetic study The POPGEN project: building a French reference panel of genomes

    I think in Southern France the overlap we are seeing are the clear results of colonization from Greek and Italian populations in the ancient and modern era. Cities like Nice (previously Nizza) used to be vastly majority ethnically Italian cities until even very recently. This phenomenon is...
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    Italian HO populations Divided by Province (SmartPCA)

    Do you have any thoughts as to why the Northern Latium sample has such a strong EEF pull relative to the rest of Central Italy? Perhaps someone with recent Sardinian ancestry?
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    Interesting FST outputs (aDNA Target vs Moderns)

    It's rather difficult to believe N. Italians, Spanish and Bulgarians being closer related to Norwegian Vikings than Finnish.
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    Genetic study The POPGEN project: building a French reference panel of genomes

    It's impressive how well ancestry mirrors geography here. As expected from previous samples Corsicans overlap central/north Italy.
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    Uniparental analysis of Deep Maniot Greeks reveals genetic continuity from the pre-Medieval era

    Apologies for the misnomer of this being a PCA. I agree with what you say; the NMDS may be useful for seeing how closely related an extremely small part of one's genetic expression is relative to norms of other populations, but as we know one must instead look at ancestral markers found on all...
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    Uniparental analysis of Deep Maniot Greeks reveals genetic continuity from the pre-Medieval era

    Skourtanioti found continual increases of both steppe and Anatolian ancestry throughout the full span of the bronze age at the expense of local EEF ancestry which itself was of course derived nearly entirely from Anatolia during the neolithic. These are the factors I refer to when I say...
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    Uniparental analysis of Deep Maniot Greeks reveals genetic continuity from the pre-Medieval era

    They are Greco-Anatolians. People who had long since been Hellenized and considered proper Greeks but carried a slightly more Eastern/Caucasian heavy profile relative to the Greeks of the bronze age. I doubt it was a fast replacement but more realistically hundreds of years of gradual genetic...
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    Uniparental analysis of Deep Maniot Greeks reveals genetic continuity from the pre-Medieval era

    This Y-STR based PCA is a perfect example as to why haplogroups should never be used to infer autosomal ancestry. It's an absolute mess and many of these populations which cluster next to one another have little to nothing to do with one another both ethnically and autosomally. The genetic...
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