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I have no idea. :laughing:

You must be kidding.

Sorry, I am not familiar with Illyrian linguistics, but these Albanians here have strong arguments in favour to their Illyrian ancestry. If not their direct ancestors, these Dalmatian/Panonnian samples, they have presented to us, might have been some not far relatives of ancestors of Albanians.

Some people already noticed a certain bias of Austrian linguists and historians toward Serbs. I don't know where it comes from but it certainly exists. Maybe it is due to historical relations, a bad consciousness regarding WWI, or just plain marxism...

Not at all. I have presented the other opinions including the mention of the oldest written Torlakian text which was called "simple Bulgarian" by his author - a Bishop of Serbian Church (!). What more do you expect?

Dalibor Brozovic lived in a different time and system. I can't imagine anyone in Yugoslavia to claim that Torlakian dialects are of Bulgarian origin without having drawn consequences.

Then why are you supporting an obvious national buiding myth about the origins of the Torlakian language?

Hopefully we are not in Yugoslavia any more so everyone, including linguists, could get out of that mental cage. Some people will never be able to do it for different reasons.

As far as I can see, only some Serbian linguists stand on the positions that Torlakian is genetically "Štokavian": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torlakian_dialect And here is a candy:

For others to understand a background of the issue we were discussing about, here is a short history: The so called Serbo-Croatian language was formally introduced in Croatia in 1954 on the initiative of Yugoslavian Communist Party. The communists gathered some Croatian and Serbian...

What do you say? That people in ISO are not experts? No. Today, most people in Serbia speak the language that started to be used in Serbian schools in the middle of 19th century. Some fifty years ago, even citizens of Belgrade had problems with grammatical cases (Torlakian, just like...

ISO stands for "International Organization for Standardization". They are experts, not politicians. No I haven't equated 'Serbian' with the Torlakian dialect. I said that some Serbian dialects are transitional between two major South Slavic branches. One can't study languages if one doesn’t...

The ISO codes presented were language codes, not country codes. Does any of that mean that Croatian language is less Croatian? If yes, then how come? That is just another myth that became “truth” over time because...

I showed you an ISO codes for Croatian language. What dialects have to do with language standardization? Don't be unpolite. Are you blaming ISO for strong political biases? What do you mean? There is only one standard Croatian language.

Help me understand what you don't understand.

Language Codes: ISO 639-1 hr ISO 639-2 hrv ISO 639-3 hrv

:laughing: Last 150 years were especially difficult...

These are probably Slavic archaisms, not West Slavic substratum. The main split goes between Slovenian/Croatian and Bulgarian/Macedonian. Serbian dialects are in the middle of the split as the eastern Srbian dialects are transitional to Bulgarian...

Serbs from Vojvodina never moved to anywhere and never “become Catholic”. They came to Vojvodina in 17-18th century, mostly from Sanjak area, which is now a Southern part of Serbia.

Absolutely not. You are totally lost. You mixed up everything. Of course there is! There are loads of Hungarians in Vojvodina (now part of in Serbia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina#/media/File:Vojvodina-Ethnic-2011.GIF That's hilarious! :laughing: There are no “North...