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It's interesting to note how several founding cities were Ionian and Eolian west asian poleis. I wonder what happened to this study. the genetic composition of the greek poleis from the arcaic to the hellenistic period is a key pointin in understanding the deomgraphic history of the central...

In defense of Hype, he doesn't claim for some germanic etnic replacement in northern Italy, just a 10-15% admixture. I believe their autosomic contribution to be a bit lower than that, more like 5-10% depending on the region, but I dont' see it as a big deal. I would like to point out, however...

This is my idea as well. Then you could add some admixture from later era (imperial and eraly medieval), but the bulk seems to be linked to Iron Age populations

I personally expect them to be similar to Latins or Picenes, but given that the Necropolis of Alfedena dates from the VIII century up until the start of the III century, we might indeed start to see some aegean shift in the later samples. That would be quite interesting.

It may also be the signal of a more recent indo european migration to Italy in the late bronze age, maybe linked to the expansion of the proto-villanovan culture, who displaced the more ancient latino-faliscan tribes. If I remember correctly, Osco-umbrian are believed to have entered Italy after...

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.18.585512v1 The pre print is out. Very interesting samples, but the conclusions seem a bit weak. 1) Picenes plot very close to northern italian and have less WHG admixture than other central italian IA group (cc @Vitruvius ) 2) there are clearly...

It's funny because we keep arguing with each other but overall we don't have much different visions. For Tuscany I think that the east med ancestry might be a bit higher than 20%, but linked primarily to greeks. Let's say a 20/30% greek admixture, on top of which you could add some more distant...

Yes, those were the samples I had in mind, wich plot in a similar position as the latin oultiers and the unpublished samples from Pithecousa. This kins of genetic profile was already present before the roman empire and must be kept in mind when speaking about an east med shift.

I agree on the metodology. We need sample from Magna Grecia before the II century BC. Just one clarification: we have some samples from Himera who plot with imperial samples. Other samples from Himera are on a cline towards IA Sicanian and are therefore less similar to the imperial samples.

The central italian-like individuals and this very high number of otuliers are not found in the Rome study and their presence in Pompei might be connected to the circumstance of the eruption: the more italic-like individuals would have normally been cremated in this era, while many outliers were...

PhD thesis about Pompei's population, in Italian. The population seems pretty heterogeneous, with the bulk of it being aegean-like. Some individuals look central italian-like and could be of mixed italic and greek ancestry. There are a lot of outlier however, several from the Levant, while...

I know you didn't say that. I just don't think jews could have been a significant source of east med ancestry due to their low number, expecially when compared to the Greek colonization during the Iron Age. Of course, other movements of people from the Levant might have augmented this shift...

Jews were a small minority in the mediterranean and in Europe after their diaspora and experienced a significative population increase in the middle age, if I recall correctly. Of course, the Romans didn't bring 10 million jews to Europe. I don't see why Syrians and Anatolians should have...

I personally respect ihype's point of view even if I don't agree with it. That's quite interesting. If those inside the black dots are actually the latin outliers from the Rome study, with the two samples from Ischia we would already have four iron age samples from continental Italy wich could...

Some daunian samples show an east med shift well before the imperial age, which is likely due to a Greek presence in the region. This east med signal might have been strengthened by a later influx from west Asia, but was already present in Magna Grecia since several centuries

I believe the sites are all connected to the etruscan presence during the Iron Age, but so far we only have the abstract.

Good question: unfortunately I find that these studies often use very genetic geographical expression when discussing the origin of a certain genetic input. In this abstract, for instance, the terms used are "middle east" and "eastern mediterranean", wich aren't even the same geographical...

New study on northern Italy between the Iron age and the roman era. There is an etruscan-italic like substratum during the iron age, while the increase of the eastern mediterranean component during the roman era might be connected to movements from Magna Grecia, mediated by the roman...

I'm not aware of any historical account of mass migration from Anatolia to Greece following the death of Alexander, while we have several examples of greeks migrating from their homeland to the eastern mediterranean hellenistic kingdom, usually to serve as soldiers (kleroukoi). I'm not saying...

As i wrote in other threads, I also believe that during the Iron Age, from archaic to classical period (VIII-V century BC), we will see an increase of west asian admixture in mainland Greece (and a symmetrical increase of greek admixture in West Asia) due to a significant mobility in the Aegean...