mt-DNA Nordic haplogroups

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?

[Chris]

Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?

U4 I think.

[Wilhelm]

K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

[Cambrius (The Red)]

All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.

[Semitic Duwa]

K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.

[rogers]

I would have thought subclades of U like U5b.

[Nasturtium]

23andme comes up with these if you search "Viking":

J1 - J1a2-16192
I - though rare now
T1 - " "
H4

In each case, they're being introduced to Scandinavia through Viking raids. U4a and U4b are very good candidates for being ancestral (per 23andme).


In regards to the J1 link...J1a2-16192...does anyone know how to determine if I have the correct allele for this Viking link? I'm classified as J1a* by 23andme, J by deCODEme, J1c3a if I try to calculate it using Jim Logan's paper on Haplogroup J:

http://www.jogg.info/41/Logan.htm

I have these results for cCRS 16192:

4001097 A or C C
4001099 C or T C

At deCODEme, there's a very strong pattern of Northern Europeans matching highly on one particular region on the X chromosome. My highest matches are a Swedish woman and Norwegian man, with high matching on the X.

Reference Links:
dbSNP Lookup
Google Scholar (SNP) dbSNP Orientation: Plus
dbSNP Genotype: C

[Maciamo]

It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.

All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.

That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.

[Carlitos]

I took the test in Igenea, my mitochondrial DNA is J and the result I got is Celtic origin Europe, does that mean that in the Neolithic my mother was not yet in the Iberian Peninsula and arrived with subsequent migration to the Iberian Peninsula?

[Yorkie]

Frankly, I don't know why 23andme just list J1-J1a2, I, T1 and H4 as 'Viking'. U5a1a has been found in 'Viking' remains, and U5a1 has a peak in Scandinavia. Equally good candidates one would think..

[willy]

It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.



That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.

J1 mt came to Scandinavia from the Caucasus if you want the " near east " ... J mt is Indo Aryan found in the Kalash people and in Sweden Norway Finland we can say J1 is viking yes no doubt . That story that IE took wives among their southern neighbors is completely false

[willy]

J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.

Yes Semitic definitively right ! this mt haplogroup is also found in the Kalash people who is from an Indo Aryan stock .

[willy]

K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

Don't forget J1c mt who is Germanic - Nordic

[foryouandme]

Well here's an interesting link from PLoS One:

Genetic Diversity among Ancient Nordic Populations
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912848/

[foryouandme]

Table 1

Individual	Coding sequence	HVR-1 region nt16064–16405	Haplogroup
D1	7028T, 12308G	16356C	U4
D2	7028T, 12308G	16114A, 16192T, 16256T, 16270T, 16294T	U5a
Bt1	7028T, 12308G	16179T, 16356C	U4

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Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Neolithic site Damsbo (4,200 YBP) and the Early Bronze Age site Bredtoftegård (3,300–3,500 YBP).
D1 and D2, Damsbo; Bt1, Bredtoftegård.

Table 2

Individual	Coding sequence	HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405	Haplogroup
B1	7028T, 10034C	16129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
B2	7028T	16126C, 16355T, 16362C	R0a
B3	7028T, 12308G	16129C, 16183C, 16189C, 16362C	U2e
B4	7028C	CRS	H
B5	7028T, 10034C	16129A, 16223T, 16304C, 16391A	I
B6	7028C	CRS	H
B7	7028T, 12308G	16074G, 16189C, 16192T, 16249C, 16270T	U5b
Si2	7028C	16189C	H
Si4	7028C	16172C, 16311C	H
Si5	7028T, 10034C	16129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
Si6	7028C	16093C, 16221T	H
Si8	7028T, 12308G	16192T, 16270T, 16304C	U5b
Si9	7028T, 15607G	16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C, 16362C	T2b
S1	7028T, 13708A	16069T, 16126C	J
S2	7028T, 12308G	16224C, 16311C	K
S3	7028C	16304C	H
S4	7028C	16311C	H
S5	7028C	16162G, 16266T, 16319A	H
S6	7028C	16299G	H
S7	7028T, 4580A	16298C	V
S9	7028T, 13708A	16069T, 16093C, 16126C	J
S11	7028T, 12308G	16093C, 16224C, 16311C	K
S13	7028T, 12308G	16343G, 16390A	U3a
S14	7028C	16263C, 16319A	H

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Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Roman Iron Age sites Bøgebjerggård (AD 1–400), Simonsborg (AD 1–200) and Skovgaarde (AD 200–400).
B1–B7, Bøgebjerggård; Si1–Si9, Simonsborg; S1–S14, Skovgaarde.

Table 3

Individual	Coding sequence	HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405	Haplogroup
G1	7028T, 12308G	16126C, 16224C, 16311C, 16320T	K
G2	7028C	16278T	H
G3	7028C	16093C, 16212G, 16222T, 16255A	H
G4	7028C	16213A	H
G5	7028T, 12308G	16256T, 16270T, 16399G	U5a
G6	7028T, 10034C	16129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
G7	7028T, 14470C, 8705C	16189C, 16223T, 16255A, 16278T	X2
G8	7028C	16174T	H
G9	7028T, 15607G	16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C	T2
G10	7028C	16172C, 16304C	H
G11	7028T, 12308G	16172C, 16256T, 16399G	U5a
K1	7028T, 12308G	16189C, 16318T	U7
K2	7028T	16129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
K3	7028T	16069T, 16126C	J
K4	7028T	16126C, 16174T, 16266T, 16294T, 16304C	T
K5	7028C	CRS	H
K6	7028C	16221T	H
K7	7028T	16129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
K8	7028C	16129A, 16316G, 16360T	H
R1	7028T, 15607G	16126C, 16153A, 16294T	T2
R2	7028T, 12308G	16093C, 16224C, 16311C, 16319A	K
R3	7028T, 13708A	16069T, 16126C	J
R5	7028C	16261T, 16296T, 16304C	H
R6	7028T, 12705T	16147A, 16172C, 16195C, 16223T, 16248T, 16320T, 16355T	N1a
R9	7028C	rCRS	H
R10	7028T, 13708A	16069T, 16126C	J
R11	7028T, 13708A	16069T, 16126C, 16256T	J
R12	7028T, 10034C	12129A, 16223T, 16391A	I
R13	7028T, 12308G	16189C, 16192T, 16270T, 16398A	U5b

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Tabel 3. Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Viking Age burial sites Galgedil (AD 1000), the Christian cemetery Kongemarken (AD 1000–1250) and the medieval cemetery Riisby (AD 1250–1450).
G1–G11, Galgedil; K1–K8, Kongemarken; R1–R13, Riisby.

[Barantes]

Just out of curiousity, do any of you know who may have brought T2B into Iberia? like what tribe/group of people may have done so?

[Joey37]

J1c is Germanic-Nordic? Mine is Irish-Celtic. Hey, maybe one stowed away in a Viking ship and made it to Waterford...would explain why my mother's maternal grandmother was such a light blonde.