blevins13
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BYE BYE BLEVINS13
Forum members have memmory on what is published,
most are more than 2 years, before Lazarides papper,
look how many years you are,
Only Blinded by ultranationalist hate like you, can not See and ask sources, Which I am forced to wrie at bottom of post.
With an ancestry of 10-14% Steppe
the lowest Altaic component in all IE, almost 0%, even after 400 Ottoman-Turkish occupation,
Only one sample of Ydna N found until now, at more than 20 000 000 Greeks of Hellas and diaspora (one found in Peloponese)
There is NO chance that Greeks and especially the Mycenean part, to be origined from Seima Turbino.
Seima Turbino is a culture of Ydna N, and heavily charched with Altaic Component.
GENNETICS SPEAK
if we follow the theory of Antoni, or Gibutas
which does not fit in Helladic space, and Genetics,
Then Greeks both Linguistically and gennetical Origin from Yamnaa, and Vucedol-Vatin alternative name Cetina,
This is expressed By 1928, and has archailogical evidences, Carl Blegen,
which is the descent of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin (Cetine),
in fact Cetina is also a big split, giving also Latin to West, etc
IRELAND GENETICALLY IS MORE POSSIBLE FOR SEIMA TURBINO, THAN GREECE, DUE to Altaic component
The Genetical structure of Greece, almost Palaiolithic and Neolithic mixture,
with the lowest STEPPE, and almost Zero Altaic,
Shows other Theories as primary,
Especially the Mycenean Branch Genetics Suggest rather a Neolithic origin
or a South Caucasos origin, Armenia High Lands
The R1a in Greece, and Greek world, is the only Ydna mark That may connect Greek to Baltics, As Hammond express it, (although I disagree)
and came from the possible road of Yamnaa to Vucedol-Vatin (Cetina) (Croatia/Serbia today) with descent of Greeks at 3000 BC to the area of proto-Greeks
Period,
Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,
Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.
BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS
THE MOST BLIND OF ALL MEMBERS,
Seima Turbino culture
TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]
migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia.[11]
Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]
BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N
I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.
SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.
:useless: :useless: :useless: :useless: :useless:
SO THIS MEMBER,
BLINDED BY ULTRA NATIONALISM.
WITH MAYBE TRAUMAS IN HIS PSYCHOLOGY.
NOW TELL US THAT MYCENEANS
WERE CONNECTED WITH ALTAI Mt (nomatter Altaic component is almost Zero) etrified:
SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, (Mycenean is one of the most typical IE) etrified:
WERE HEAVILY hg Ydna N (Almost 0%, only one found until now in whole Greek nation) etrified:
etrified: etrified: etrified: etrified:
WHAT CAN SOMEONE SAY?
Except a wish for Peace of Mind.
I am sure Gods are with him,
Gods protect and take care of such guys.
you could read at least the Carl Blegen and Giannopoulos, and escape from your hell,
even read about Seima-Turbino culture.
or even trust Lazarides papper,
But No, you insisted,
may Gods protect your soul, cause mind ......
You were and asking fo it,
you scratch the sheperd's bat wrong way. :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
Blevins the Catacomb culture, or the S Caucasos cultures were not enough for you,
you have to Go to Altaic mountains and uralic languages?
or you never of other IE cultures outside steppe?
a pathetic pittyfull aproach, by member Blevins13
guided by hate of ultranationalism
which with strange methods,
want us to Believe that Myceneans are steppe Altaic people,
and Spoke Uralic languages
while Lazarides papper on Myceneans is clear of S Caucasos and Armenia highlands origin
with low average 14% (10-20%) of Steppe, and Zero Altaic
BLEVINS MYCENEANS DID NOT SPOKE URALIC,
AS YOU LIKE THEM TO BE.
BYE BYE
The Academic pappers you ask
- Marchenko et al. 2017.
- ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 447.
- ^ A Dictionary of Archaeology, edited by Ian Shaw, Robert Jameson, page 517
- ^ Frachetti, Michael David, Pastoralist Landscapes and Social Interaction in Bronze Age Eurasia, pp. 52–3
- ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 444-7.
- ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 443-4.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Anthony 2007.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Chernykh, E.N. (2008). "Formation of the Eurasian "Steppe Belt" of Stockbreeding cultures". Archaeology, Ethnology and Anthropology of Eurasia. 35 (3): 36–53. doi:10.1016/j.aeae.2008.11.003.
- ^ Chernykh 1992, p.220-21, figs. 74, 75.
- ^ Christian 1998.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Keys, David (January 2009). "Scholars crack the code of an ancient enigma". BBC History Magazine. 10 (1): 9.
- ^ Higham, C.; Higham, T.; Kijngam, A. (2011), "Cutting a Gordian Knot: the Bronze Age of Southeast Asia: origins, timing and impact", Antiquity, 85 (328): 583–598, doi:10.1017/S0003598X00067971
- ^ E. Chernykh The “Steppe Belt” of stockbreeding cultures in Eurasia during the Early Metal Age Trab. Prehist., 65 (2008), pp. 73-93, 10.3989/tp.2008.08004
- ^ C. Der Sarkissian, O. Balanovsky, G. Brandt, V. Khartanovich, A. Buzhilova, S. Koshel, V. Zaporozhchenko, D. Gronenborn, V. Moiseyev, E. Kolpakov, et al., "Genographic Consortium Ancient DNA reveals prehistoric gene-flow from siberia in the complex human population history of North East Europe" PLoS Genet., 9 (2013), p. e1003296
- ^ "The American Journal of Human Genetics: Volume 99, Issue 1: Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup N: A Non-trivial Time-Resolved Phylogeography that Cuts across Language Families", 7 July 2016, Pages 163-173
- ^ http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/view/4182/4018
- ^ Lalueza-Fox, C.; Sampietro, M. L.; Gilbert, M. T. P.; Castri, L.; Facchini, F.; Pettener, D.; Bertranpetit, J. (2004), "Unravelling migrations in the steppe: mitochondrial DNA sequences from ancient central Asians", Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, 271 (1542): 941–947, doi:10.1098/rspb.2004.2698, PMC 1691686, PMID 15255049
- ^ Keyser, Christine; Bouakaze, Caroline; Crubézy, Eric; Nikolaev, Valery G.; Montagnon, Daniel; Reis, Tatiana; Ludes, Bertrand (2009), "Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people", Human Genetics, 126 (3): 395–410, doi:10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0, PMID 19449030
bye bye little Goebels
You are going crazy man it is not me ....I did not create this
R1a Greek Branch
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Greek
I happened to agree with this. That is all.
And I did not write this Hammond did.
Tumulus Burials in South Albania
Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.
Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132
Nicholas G. L. Hammond
The language used by Yetos is inappropriate.
I invite moderator to do something here.
And Yetos don’t copy from Wikipedia, show us academic papers for your statements.
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