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I believe that is obvius
Illyros son of Kadmus invte Illyria
so albania has J2
aeolian E wich was cut isolated and became another nation is the kossovo E-V13
the possibilty that GeG means also achaic ->agaig ->geg a+i = e
(watch acha-menides, aga-memnon, achaic, turkish aga =leader aga-memnon = ruler memnon)
now they are obviously, but originally I think they were not ...Question:
Gheg and Tosk speakers same people?
These are bullshit. Epirots were barbarians as ancient authors told us. If we wanna know what was their language we must look at todays epirots or Tosks.Origin of Albanians is twofold:
Quote:
Tosks are mostly albanized Epirots... dominant haplogroup J
Geghs probably origin from Dardanians... dominant haplogroup E-V13
Tha assimilation occur in the contrary direction, because thay who have the state they make assimilation, and they who have not state they bacome assimilated.
Sot because Greeks, had the state (Byzantium), they assimilated all peoples of Anatolia, even the Jews etc.
But Albanians could not assimilate anybody, because they had not state, specially not in th south, until the late medieval (Ghin Bue Spata).
How the Epirots became Albanized?? Maybe some Gheg children armed with sibynas came in south and said to them, "Hey Epirots, come speak Albanian, we kill you", and the epirots were frightened, and begaun to speak albanian. hahha
Haplogroup I-M170 is the most common Balkan haplogroup (Pericic et al. 2005a,b) and the second most frequent Arbereshe clade. Nevertheless, analysis of its network reveals unexpected results: most of the Arbereshe I-M170 haplotypes are not included in the Balkan cluster[/B] (Figure 3), but are located in the long branches containing mainly Italian chromosomes. Comparisons with literature data (Semino et al. 2000; Barac et al. 2003, Rootsi et al. 2004) show that the core haplotype of the Balkan cluster (16-14-15-13-31-24-11-11-13; locus order as above) is consistent with the almost Balkan exclusive I2a (formerly I1b) clade. The proposed interpretation of the Arbereshe as a proxy of the founder Albanian population leads us to hypothesize that the I2a clade was less common in the southern Balkans 500 years ago than nowadays. The very tight shape of the I2a cluster in the network suggests a very recent expansion of this haplogroup in the southern Balkans. Furthermore, I2a is still rare in
mountain populations such as the Albanians of Kosovo (Pericic et al. 2005a,b) and in a randomly selected Arbereshe sample from Rootsi et al. (2004).
This is an interesting finding in the light of recent evidence for selection in Y-haplogroup I.
The situation with J2 is also quite interesting as this is rarer in Arbereshe (3%) than Albanians (17%):
The scarcity of J2 chromosomes in the Arbereshe sample (1/40) is very difficult to explain, given that they are very common in both the Italian peninsula and the southern Balkans.
I do not believe this... please quote source...So, epirots maybe did'nt call themselves illyrian, we don't know about thet, but it is proved that Epir and Illyria and Macedonia, as ancient authors said, have the same race, same language and same customs.
lol, R1a Mongolian....R1a is of mongolian origin. And they originally were mongolian people, but, as for Ev13 it is not before 4700 years ago that came,
even it didnt came here, but it was evolved here, in the mesolithic, or at least in neolithic, it is linked to J2b, and are together since neolithic. note how perfectly R1a in Italy follows curves of shape of Etruscan area of influence....this is because it came into non-R1a area...
We know that Slavs came in Ballkan, I2a2 came in Balkan togethere. It is simple. Others are bullshit.
Hello stop with propaganda, stop with nazi, idea,Slavic people likely brought I2a2, but I2a2 is in Europe from its start... whether it was in Balkan is hard to say... I think it was as Veneti related tribes... I am pretty sure that Veneti are dominant I2 people.. and we know that early Slavs are from populous race of Veneti as written by Jordanes...
Hello stop with propaganda, stop with nazi, idea,
This is nazi idea of serbs, who wanna tell the world that Albanians are recent arrivals, and to expell albanians from Kosovo like they did in the 1999 when pushed away 1.000.000 peoples from their homes, and burnt tha houses etc.
Think of what your ideas might cause in the reality. Your ideas are cause of killing, massacres and terror, against albanians, for one hundred years.
Other are Venedi slavs, others are Veneti or Eneti Illyrians. They are diferent totally diferent.early Slavs are of Veneti race...
Which Veneti are I2 people? By which genetic study? Who examined the genes?Veneti are I2 people...
There is no out of Africa migration after mesolithis in Europe!!!! It is fact.E-V13 are recent arrival compared to R1a (which is not mark of Slavic people as you interpret)...
Killing is fact that was done in 1999, by serbs, They killed croatian, bosniaks and albanians. Your are linking R1a1 with prot-serbs, in the time when serbs never existed.killing is caused by people who speak of being more indigenous in some areas and having more rights....
I am not frightening, you are alone a frightened man, I have mercy for your psychic problems.never take such claims, but if you take them, I warn you that such attitude may come back to you (or to any people who claim being indegionous and having more right on land) as a boomerang...
There is no out of africa to Europe, migration in 4000 BP.only respond to that is that science shows that E-V13 came to area 4000 years before present while R1a came 11500 years before present... so it is clear who is more indigenous.. so, don't push it!
Other are Venedi slavs, others are Veneti or Eneti Illyrians. They are diferent totally diferent.
Which Veneti are I2 people? By which genetic study? Who examined the genes?
There is no out of Africa migration after mesolithis in Europe!!!! It is fact.
R1a1 came with Slavs, Slavs every where in Balkans were dispersed, even in Albania and Greece.
Killing is fact that was done in 1999, by serbs, They killed croatian, bosniaks and albanians. Your are linking R1a1 with prot-serbs, in the time when serbs never existed.
I am not frightening, you are alone a frightened man, I have mercy for your psychic problems.
There is no out of africa to Europe, migration in 4000 BP.
Ev134 is here since mesolithic.
R1a1 came with Slavs, Slavs every where in Balkans were dispersed, even in Albania and Greece.
Other are Venedi slavs, others are Veneti or Eneti Illyrians. They are diferent totally diferent.
that is what I was indicating here in many posts and what I believe in... which is why sometimes I state it very firmly...Which Veneti are I2 people? By which genetic study? Who examined the genes?
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/jordgeti.htmlin the land of Scythia to the westward dwells, first of all, the race of the Gepidae, surrounded by great and famous rivers. For the Tisia flows through it on the north and northwest, and on the southwest is the great Danube. On the east it is cut by the Flutausis, a swiftly eddying stream that sweeps whirling into the Ister's waters. (34) Within these rivers lies Dacia, encircled by the lofty Alps as by a crown. Near their left ridge, which inclines toward the north, and beginning at the source of the Vistula, the populous race of the Venethi dwell, occupying a great expanse of land. Though their names are now dispersed amid various clans and places, yet they are chiefly called Sclaveni and Antes. (35)
I guess your logic is Albanians are barbarians, so all people mentioned as barbarians are Albanians?As for Epirus, all ancient author said that they were barbarians, ie non greek.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScythiansSome legends of the Picts; the Gaels; the Hungarians; Serbs and Croats (among others) also include mention of Scythian origins. In the second paragraph of the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath the élite of Scotland claim Scythia as a former homeland of the Scots.
this is from the Declaration of ArbroathMost Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_peopleThe Scottish people (Scots Gaelic: Albannaich), or Scots, are a nation and ethnic group native to Scotland. Historically they emerged from an amalgamation of the Celtic Picts (east) and Gaels (west), incorporating neighbouring Britons to the south as well as invading Germanic peoples such as the Anglo-Saxons and the Norse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_dialect_(Scotland)Mid Northern Scots or Northeast Scots, popularly known as the Doric, refers to the dialects of Scots spoken in the northeast of Scotland.
Wrong.In south Balkan map you can find Illyrian Chelidoni close to Serdi, and of course lot of Hellenic tribes...
Serbs?? They even are not Slavs. They are some persian tribes from Iran related to Jats.but Caladuni & Seurbi vs. Chelidoni & Serdi are interesting match as they might point out that some Illyrian tribes did travel to conquer new land together with potential proto-Serb tribe....
that is typical Croatian propaganda... make story of own high worth origin and Serbian lower worth origin by inventing tribal name that has lower worth meaning for Serbs... Croatian quasi-historians as the one quoted in this article are often biased people in that respect.... I wouldnot trust their "findings" on this topic......same as I would not trust equivalent Serbian quazi-historian who claims Croats are just new name for Avars and how Albanians are settled in 11th century from Caucasus Albania...Serbs?? They even are not Slavs. They are some persian tribes from Iran related to Jats.
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
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