Riht.According to Ken Nordtvedt y haplogroup I2a1b3a is 2030 years old.No, you cannot prove with the existence of an older branch that the younger branch doesn't exist, even in Northern Europe or Scandinavia. It doesn't logically follow.
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Riht.According to Ken Nordtvedt y haplogroup I2a1b3a is 2030 years old.No, you cannot prove with the existence of an older branch that the younger branch doesn't exist, even in Northern Europe or Scandinavia. It doesn't logically follow.
How did an I2a3* alpine (L233-) man end up in the Pisa region of Tuscany, any suggestions or info on this branch would be much appreciated. Which migrations could have brought it and where is it most frequent?
Would it have arrived via recent migration or is it a piece of italian pre-history?
For me it is interesting to find out to which haplogroups belonged the members of old Balkan cultures, for example people who created the culture at Lepen Whirl, eastern Serbia (peak about 7,000 years ago). Skeletons of these people has been saved and probably it is possible to determine haplogroups (I started thread on it).
Also Vincha culture (Serbia, Romania) who had early period (7,500-6,800 years ago) and late period (6,800-6,200 years ago). Researches of this kind will surely be performed and we see results.
This seems to be right. Welcome to Eupedia Dule84."After quite a number of old tested DNA from Neolithic sites in region Starcevo primarily as well as the surrounding Neolithic cultures, there is little doubt that the majority of the population consisted of Vinca population is predominantly belonged to haplogroup G2a. He is here and there to be some Cro-Magnon and I haplogroups. In autosomal dna today nearest formerly Vinca were the inhabitants of Sardinia."
This information is not 100% official
I2a1b in Balkans is clearly of Slavic derivation and has nothing to do absolutely with indigenous Thraco Illyrians, which would have been mostly E-V13, J2 with probably a R1b elite.
Then how do you explain the I2a-Din in kurdish population and the hi % of I2a in Vlachs and Romanian all around in Balkans?
Never heard that before. You should change your friends.
Never heard that before. You should change your friends.
I have no idea what you're saying. Try again using prefrontal cortex.You appear indoctrinated beyond repair! I2a got the name for the reason I am saying. What do you think today genetics people do not read their predecessors?
Explanation: Before Slavs making it to the Balkans spend a lot of time in Romania. Many Slavs were absorbed in today's Romanian population. Its believed that the initial homeland of I2a is Ukraine-Romania border. Same thing for Kurd's its Slavic invasion.
"Nationalization" of haplogroups might harm By the same token if i follow your logic Romanians have higher R1a than Bulgarians and Macedonians who are Slavic,Moldavians even more? you will say that R1a is Slavic then,so you appear to carry more "Slavic" haplogroups as Romanians(Romance speakers) than Slavs themselves.Agree that slavs spent time in Romania, were absorbed in Romanian population and I agree that I2a initial homeland was Ukraine-Romania border.
But I want to ask you: If I2a homeland and slavs homeland it is not the same, how do you say that I2a -din is slavic? If slavs came to Romania with the I2a-din, than the procentege should pick in the slavs in balkan, not in the Romanian Vlachs. Bulgarians that are slavs have less I2a than Romanians, and their I2a is higher in north ar the border with Romania. In Greece, Albania, Macedonia also I2a from the vlachs. It must predate slavs. I believe it must have been Dacian, Thracian. Slavs never went to Kurdistan. The Thracians cold have arrived at some point in Kurdistan.
"Nationalization" of haplogroups might harm By the same token if i follow your logic Romanians have higher R1a than Bulgarians and Macedonians who are Slavic,Moldavians even more? you will say that R1a is Slavic then,so you appear to carry more "Slavic" haplogroups as Romanians(Romance speakers) than Slavs themselves.
This is linguistic groups to be clear,to my knowledge the Thracians and Dacians did not spoke Latin language either,so your claim to fit the mythos of your own origin and your supposed "Thracianess" and "Dacianess" giving explanation of certain haplogrups is not at all higher than your neighbors.
Vlachs and Romanians dwell in different places despite both of them were Romanized,their "origin" or place of dwelling might not be some,i mean obvious geography and distribution of haplogroups.
Haplogroup does not equote language.
You are Romanian and forget the haplogroups,if you want to think that you are Dacian and I2 is Dacian,then you do think that way and you will be Dacian.
In Kurdistan could have migrated the Cimmerians who were neighbors of Thracians and no one else according to written sources,but i do not exclude possibility if this haplogroup in fact migrated from Anatolia in Balkans and spread further even if there is no such proofs,more testing can tell us.
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