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the question was raised by T project in regards to the ancient T1a ( LBK_EN ) found in Karsdorf central germany
autosomal ancestral components has been point to be around 70% Western European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) and 30% Basal Eurasian but If the WHG Loschbour is admixed with a Basal Eurasian group then the percentages for KAR6a should be around 34% WHG and 66% Basal Eurasian.
Its an ongoing discussion in another forum.
why do you never answer questions I give you , but you EXPECT answers from me ...........is this an administrators rights?I still await my data you requested and sent for your answers, I think its over a year or more now...........will I ever see this promised reply???
I think he may have meant that the border between the WHG and the genetically "Anatolian farmer/EEF like" hunter-gatherers of Greece (if it turns out that Mesolithic hunter gatherers similar to the farmers genetically had indeed moved into Greece before the "invention" of farming and animal domestication) was probably north and west of Greece.
That may be true, but as I've speculated before, perhaps it went up along the Adriatic, and perhaps it extended further to the west into Italy as well.
Ed. At any rate, this doesn't mean that the Neolithic didn't come to Europe with farmers from the Near East. It just means that it's possible some of their cousins had arrived before them.
??? Actually it took them around 2000 years (from ~8000 ybp to ~6000 years before present):
By the way - they migrated not only by land, but also by boat (for example from Greece to Iberia):
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/12/106/20150166.figures-only
Here we can see that once they moved north, the speed of their advance slowed down (red color):
What I find particularly interesting in this study is the absence of mt-haplogroup H, apart from one H5 sample. I have long argued that most H subclades were native to Europe (except H2, H5, H7, H13 and H20, which are Near Eastern in origin). Most people seem to have been convinced that H1, for instance, came with Neolithic farmers, simply because it hasn't been found in Mesolithic Europeans samples so far but suddenly pops up in Neolithic samples. Despite that evidence I continued to be skeptical and argued that H1 originated in southern Europe and was among the first lineages assimilated by Neolithic farmers and brought further north. The Anatolian data supports my hypothesis.
As for the Mesolithic Greek K1c, I have written several years ago that K1c was not brought by Neolithic farmers, but was probably of Indo-European origin, meaning Eastern Hunter-Gatherer. Those samples Mesolithic Thessaly would imply that K1c was found not just in the Steppes, but also a bit further south following the western Black Sea coast, which is very plausible for mobile hunter-gatherers.
EDIT : It would be interesting to see how the two Mesolithic Greeks samples compare with Steppe samples in term of admixture. Will they carry EHG admixture ?
The only way lots of H could be from Mesolithic Europeans IMO is if SE Europe was autosomally not WHG and had lots of H. IMO, there isn't enough data on H to have an idea what its history is. We need full sequences Hs from all over West Eurasia. We don't currently have that.
If it weren't for ancient mtDNA I'd think J1c and T2b colonized Europe after the Ice age, because there's not much of it in West Asia. But, ancient DNA has shown modern people aren't representative of ancient people in the same region. So, what may appear to be European H(or J or T) today is may not be from Europe.
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