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    HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

    HarappaWord admixtures. Use Gedmatch calculator:
    https://www.gedmatch.com
    First upload your genome data file to Gedmatch, if you there for the first time.
    Go to Analyze Your Data, then click on Admixture (heritage), then select HarappaWorld, continue, type your Kit Number in the window, and continue. In about 15 seconds you should see your results.

    Latest results for Europe and Ancient samples.

    Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    Norway 7 0 9 4 56 0 3 0 0 1 1 25 0 0 0 0 0
    Sweden 11 0 8 5 56 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 1 0 0 0 0
    Ireland 2 0 12 4 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 33 0 0 0 0 0
    Scotland 4 0 10 6 51 0 0 0 0 0 1 31 0 0 0 0 0
    Wales 3 0 10 6 50 0 0 0 0 1 0 32 0 0 0 0 0
    England 7 0 10 7 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 0 0 0 0 0
    Holland-North 4 0 10 6 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 0 0 0 0 0
    Germany, North 8 0 9 8 53 0 0 0 0 1 0 27 1 0 0 0 0
    Germany, South 2 0 9 12 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 3 0 0 0 0
    Switzerland-French 3 0 8 15 41 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 4 0 0 0 0
    French Harappa 0 9 10 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 2 0 0 0 0
    South France hrvclv 0 7 12 39 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 4 0 0 0 0
    Portugal 7 0 5 13 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 8 0 1 0 1
    Spain Harappa 1 6 10 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 5 0 1 0 0
    Basque 4 1 6 1 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 1 0 0 0 0
    Italy, NE 7 0 7 20 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 6 0 0 0 0
    Italy, NW 5 0 6 20 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 6 0 0 0 0
    Italy, Tuscany 4 0 7 25 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 8 0 0 0 0
    Italy, South 5 0 8 32 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 13 0 1 0 0
    Sicily 5 0 9 32 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 12 0 1 0 0
    Malta 7 0 7 33 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 14 0 1 0 1
    Sardinia 5 0 0 24 16 0 0 0 1 0 0 49 10 0 0 0 0
    Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    Saami 4 1 3 0 59 1 18 3 1 2 4 5 0 0 0 0 3
    Finland 6 1 4 3 71 0 6 1 0 0 1 11 3 0 0 0 0
    Latvia 5 1 7 7 65 0 1 0 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 0
    Lithuania 5 1 8 7 62 0 0 0 1 0 1 20 1 0 0 0 0
    Russia Harappa 1 4 13 64 0 3 0 0 1 1 13 0 0 0 0 0
    Belorussia Harappa 1 5 10 64 1 1 0 0 0 0 16 1 0 0 0 0
    Ukraine Harappa 1 6 12 58 0 1 0 0 0 0 17 2 0 0 0 0
    Poland 3 0 8 11 56 1 1 0 0 0 0 22 2 0 0 0 0
    Czechy 3 1 9 9 52 0 0 0 0 1 0 26 2 0 0 0 0
    Slovenia 3 0 7 15 50 0 1 0 0 0 0 24 3 0 0 0 0
    Croatia 8 0 7 17 45 0 1 0 0 0 0 24 4 0 0 0 0
    Bosnia 2 0 9 21 41 0 1 0 0 1 0 23 5 0 0 0 0
    Serbia 1 0 8 20 40 0 1 0 0 1 0 27 4 0 0 0 0
    Austria 2 0 7 15 43 1 0 0 0 0 0 30 4 0 0 0 0
    Hungary 3 0 9 15 47 0 1 0 0 1 0 25 2 0 0 0 0
    Romania 5 0 8 23 35 1 1 0 0 0 0 25 6 0 0 0 0
    Bulgaria 5 0 9 25 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 7 0 0 0 0
    Macedonia selectivememri 0 6 25 35 0 1 0 0 0 1 25 7 0 0 0 0
    Albania 17 0 6 28 29 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 8 0 0 0 0
    Albania, Tosk 7 0 7 30 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 9 0 0 0 0
    Greece, Mainland 5 0 7 30 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 9 0 0 0 0
    Greece, Ionian 2 0 9 34 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 12 0 0 0 0
    Greek, Islands, East 13 0 9 38 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 14 0 0 0 0
    Crete 5 0 8 39 15 0 0 1 0 0 0 21 14 0 0 0 0
    Cyprus 4 1 10 44 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 20 17 0 0 0 0
    Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    Ashkenazi 11 0 7 33 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 15 0 1 0 0
    Sephardi, Tunisia 6 1 7 33 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 22 0 3 0 1
    Turkey 4 1 15 44 11 0 4 3 0 0 1 11 9 0 0 0 0
    Armenia 7 1 20 52 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 13 0 0 0 0
    Georgia 6 0 21 58 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 6 0 0 0 0
    Lebanon 7 0 11 45 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 24 0 1 0 0
    Samaritans 3 0 7 45 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 31 0 2 0 0
    Palestine Harappa 1 7 39 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 31 0 5 0 2
    Iran Harappa 4 27 40 5 1 2 1 1 0 1 5 13 0 0 0 0
    Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    Ancient samples
    WHG 78 1 21
    SHG 90 1 2 1 7
    EHG 14 76 10
    CHG 1 34 51 6 1 1 6
    Iran Neolithic 6 63 25 4 2
    Levant BA 4 37 1 12 45
    Yamnaya 33 7 56 2 1 1
    Armenia BA 23 39 19 1 1 1 1 9 5 2
    Anatolia LN 9 48 6 27 9
    Hungary LN 19 17 56 8
    Hungary BA 3 15 46 32 3
    Italy BA 11 21 1 61 5 1
    Spain MN 19 11 58 12
    Spain LN 4 24 63 5 3
    Unetice BA 16 6 58 1 19
    Ireland BA 1 13 2 53 1 1 27 2
    BellBeaker 11 2 54 32
    Hungary IA 15 15 44 3 2 21
    Sarmatian, IA 25 6 51 4 2 1 11
    England IA 11 6 50 1 31 1
    Sweden IA 10 61 1 28 1
    Andronovo, BA 1 21 3 56 2 1 1 14 1
    Greece LN 0 35 4 1 44 13 3
    Minoan, average 47 1 39 13
    Mycenaean, average 3 39 13 36 9

    Here are the source/ancient best matching populations of Harappa admixtures:

    Admixtures Iranian Neolithic
    10,000 Years Ago
    CHG
    13KYA
    Natufian
    13 KYA
    EHG Samara
    7.5 KYA
    Anatolian EF
    8 KYA
    WHG
    Hungary K01
    7.5 KYA
    EEF
    Stuttgart
    7.5 KYA
    Yamnaya
    Rise 522
    4.5 KYA
    Notes
    S-Indian 6.13 0.62
    Baloch 62.71 36.63 14.33 33.24 Ancient Central Asian, high in Early Iranian Farmer, also present in Steppe
    Caucasian 24.97 54.15 13.98 37.64 30.6 6.58 CHG mostly
    NE-Euro 3.84 71.08 0.86 82.06 7.82 56.02 EHG, mostly WHG/ANE
    SE-Asian 0.59
    Siberian 0.77
    NE-Asian
    Papuan 0.35 0.68 0.2
    American 6.89 2.46
    Beringian 1.7 0.75
    Mediterranean 27.39 47.24 17.44 49.46 Anatolian EF and WHG mix
    SW-Asian 3.88 53.62 14.00 12.01 Mostly Natufian
    San 0.18 0.11
    E-African 4.33
    Pygmy 0.25
    W-African 1.78 3.01 0.13 0.27 0.26 0.98
    Some observation:
    Baloch is maxed out in Iranian Neolithic population, and 1/3 in CHG. Interestingly it exists also in EHG. In EHG it didn't come from INF or CHG because EHG lacks Caucasian admixture. It must be ancient?
    Caucasian is highest in Caucasian Hunter Gatherer, and spills over to Natufians and Iranian Early Farmers. But it didn't spill over Caucasus mountain to European Hunter Gatherer. This is rather surprising.
    Caucasian admixture is seen first time on other side of Caucasus in Yamnaya sample. Proportions of Baloch and Caucasian in Yamnaya point of its mediation from Iranian Farmers and not from CHG.
    South West Asian admixture is highest in Natufian, which is almost not found in CHG or Iranian farmer. This admixture can easily identify Natufian genes.
    Mediterranean admixture is highest in Anatolia. It also in part Natufian and in part WHG as we can see it in Hungarian Hunter gatherer at almost 20% level.

    Here are the links to ancient samples with Kit Numbers:
    http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html
    http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=8462.0
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/archive/...hp/t-6947.html



    Here is something very interesting, genomes of Kostenki and Mal'ta boy which are very connected to ancient populations of this region:

    Admixtures Kostenki
    Black Sea
    36 KYA
    Mal'ta boy
    Siberia
    24 KYA
    Notes
    S-Indian 13.18 10.13
    Baloch 12.49 24.09 Early Iranian Farmer admixture mostly
    Caucasian 0.00 0.00 CHG mostly
    NE-Euro 29.02 40.14 EHG, SHG and most of WHG/ANE
    SE-Asian 4.28
    Siberian 1.75
    NE-Asian
    Papuan 5.16 0.7
    American 3.32 17.71
    Beringian 1.43 6.74
    Mediterranean 18.76 0.00 Anatolian EF and WHG mix
    SW-Asian 5.89 0.00 Mostly Natufian, high in semitic countries
    San 1.24 0.3
    E-African 1.82
    Pygmy 0.92 0.19
    W-African 0.73
    Mal'ta contains only Baloch and NE Euro. Pretty much what was present in EHG, and likewise they miss Mediterranean and SW-Asian.
    Kostenki lived north of Black Sea area though much earlier. It contains all the admixtures, even in relation to Natufians, but it is missing Caucasian admixture, same as Mal'ta boy. It seems that Caucasian admixture was a late arrival to the area. These two have even the connection to S-Indian but not to Caucasian!? Where did Caucasian come from? Perhaps it is a young admixture of secluded HGs in Caucasus mountains, separated from Baloch group.


    Ethnicity Dataset N C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9 C10 C11 C12 C13 C14 C15 C16
    S Indian Baloch Caucasian NE Euro SE Asian Siberian NE Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW Asian San E African Pygmy W African
    basque hgdp 24 0% 8% 1% 33% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 58% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    belorussian behar 9 1% 5% 10% 64% 1% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 16% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    bulgarian yunusbayev 13 0% 5% 28% 36% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 1% 23% 5% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    cypriot behar 12 0% 7% 49% 6% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 19% 17% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    finnish 1000genomes 100 1% 1% 2% 80% 0% 6% 0% 0% 0% 1% 5% 5% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    french hgdp 28 0% 9% 10% 42% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 36% 2% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    hungarian behar 19 0% 7% 15% 49% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 24% 3% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    italian hgdp 13 0% 5% 22% 29% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 37% 6% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    lithuanian behar 10 0% 7% 5% 72% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 15% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    romanian-a behar 14 1% 6% 26% 36% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 23% 5% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    russian behar 2 1% 4% 13% 64% 1% 3% 0% 1% 1% 1% 13% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    sardinian hgdp 28 0% 0% 20% 12% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 60% 7% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    serbian harappa 1 0% 8% 23% 42% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 22% 3% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    slovenian xing 25 1% 6% 15% 51% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 23% 3% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    spaniard behar 12 0% 7% 11% 32% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 44% 5% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    turk-istanbul hodoglugil 20 1% 16% 45% 11% 1% 3% 3% 0% 0% 1% 11% 9% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    tuscan 1000genomes 11 0% 6% 29% 24% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 32% 8% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    ukranian yunusbayev 20 1% 6% 12% 58% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 17% 2% 0% 0% 0% 0%


    Population S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    algeria 0.46 2.32 2.82 0.53 0.32 0.36 0.14 0.25 0.19 0.58 38.88 30.20 0.46 10.30 0.34 11.83
    assyrian 0.24 19.37 51.67 1.19 0.05 0.09 0.37 0.42 0.15 0.26 8.17 17.89 0.02 0.04 0.00 0.07
    egypt 1.02 2.55 28.48 0.76 0.14 0.26 0.10 0.42 0.23 0.25 16.60 32.75 0.08 11.30 0.54 4.53
    egyptian 0.26 3.06 30.48 0.36 0.27 0.14 0.11 0.35 0.19 0.29 12.84 33.11 0.26 12.42 0.15 5.69
    iraqi-arab 3.80 18.72 37.81 2.05 0.18 0.92 0.97 0.77 0.17 0.76 8.03 21.89 0.48 2.33 0.57 0.56
    iraqi-mandaean 0.84 20.18 47.80 0.00 0.06 0.00 0.00 0.18 0.59 0.60 7.08 22.21 0.00 0.45 0.00 0.00
    jordanian 0.59 9.43 38.85 1.22 0.24 0.22 0.50 0.31 0.21 0.43 11.89 28.28 0.15 5.05 0.27 2.36
    lebanese 0.54 10.84 41.42 2.87 0.61 0.58 0.61 0.33 0.24 0.21 13.09 23.47 0.19 3.35 0.14 1.49
    lebanese-christian 0.36 9.86 49.26 0.10 0.34 0.45 0.32 1.06 0.50 0.72 11.66 22.86 0.66 1.63 0.23 0.00
    lebanese-druze 0.76 10.65 49.86 0.35 0.44 0.46 0.20 1.27 0.47 1.07 10.58 20.74 0.54 1.93 0.51 0.17
    lebanese-muslim 0.95 10.98 45.29 1.55 0.35 0.98 0.44 1.08 0.65 1.11 10.71 20.83 0.66 3.16 0.60 0.67
    libya 0.45 1.09 10.75 0.81 0.37 0.36 0.22 0.27 0.36 0.47 26.54 38.71 0.10 10.73 0.36 8.40
    moroccan 0.90 0.30 3.71 0.58 0.07 0.20 0.08 0.21 0.19 0.05 35.13 32.21 0.00 10.61 0.02 15.75
    morocco-n 0.70 1.15 1.69 1.13 0.34 0.37 0.10 0.51 0.25 0.49 46.28 28.24 0.29 10.20 0.05 8.20
    morocco-s 0.31 0.00 0.05 0.06 0.18 0.32 0.04 0.28 0.04 0.17 36.35 23.01 0.26 12.53 0.40 25.99
    mozabite 0.39 0.32 0.56 0.54 0.08 0.61 0.03 0.10 0.03 0.26 39.57 33.74 0.01 10.07 0.00 13.67
    palestinian 0.88 7.40 39.30 1.03 0.26 0.14 0.10 0.35 0.19 0.17 11.81 31.00 0.23 4.70 0.19 2.26
    saudi 0.86 4.89 26.18 1.16 0.16 0.16 0.16 0.22 0.30 0.16 3.39 57.74 0.31 3.03 0.34 0.93
    syrian 1.74 12.18 41.07 2.97 0.28 0.46 0.21 0.22 0.19 0.43 10.07 25.36 0.19 2.64 0.26 1.73
    yemenese 2.44 7.85 26.76 0.93 0.46 0.24 0.21 0.43 0.28 0.55 5.40 35.59 0.33 8.24 1.44 8.85
    ashkenazi 0.87 5.36 33.87 19.33 0.48 0.49 0.63 0.16 0.19 0.25 24.00 13.60 0.14 0.46 0.15 0.03
    ashkenazy-jew 0.69 6.61 34.46 15.63 0.38 0.71 0.40 0.38 0.28 0.28 24.14 14.88 0.16 0.88 0.07 0.07
    azerbaijan-jew 0.90 17.34 53.58 1.42 0.30 0.43 0.00 0.19 0.40 0.28 8.01 17.02 0.04 0.08 0.03 0.00
    bene-israel-jew 34.93 26.16 21.28 1.09 0.24 0.48 0.32 0.81 0.24 0.83 4.67 8.08 0.11 0.49 0.12 0.16
    ethiopian-jew 0.05 0.03 6.46 0.00 0.12 0.10 0.04 0.26 0.08 0.12 4.10 35.35 2.69 50.04 0.48 0.10
    georgia-jew 0.34 15.80 52.14 2.36 0.51 0.12 0.04 0.12 0.42 0.30 7.96 19.42 0.00 0.46 0.00 0.00
    iranian-jew 0.47 18.93 49.60 0.00 0.50 0.20 0.33 0.15 0.19 0.22 7.06 21.97 0.04 0.26 0.07 0.00
    iraq-jew 0.54 17.27 48.77 0.15 0.30 0.00 0.00 0.36 0.13 0.05 8.65 23.57 0.02 0.17 0.02 0.00
    morocco-jew 0.86 6.36 32.76 8.33 0.16 0.04 0.06 0.13 0.10 0.15 27.54 20.00 0.22 1.96 0.06 1.26
    sephardic-jew 0.79 6.61 36.38 9.22 0.18 0.33 0.09 0.28 0.10 0.15 25.60 18.42 0.10 1.07 0.19 0.49
    uzbekistan-jew 1.44 20.59 46.03 3.99 0.22 0.42 0.16 0.70 0.29 0.25 7.41 18.31 0.00 0.19 0.00 0.00
    yemen-jew 0.78 1.53 35.81 0.03 0.15 0.07 0.00 0.27 0.14 0.12 5.87 50.72 0.17 4.34 0.03 0.00


    Population S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    abhkasian 0.33 18.49 69.15 7.62 0.40 0.83 0.42 0.26 0.30 0.71 0.67 0.71 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.07
    adygei 0.53 18.38 56.60 16.37 0.58 3.10 1.01 0.30 0.53 0.67 1.70 0.23 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
    armenian 0.41 17.07 57.29 5.35 0.10 0.29 0.16 0.26 0.22 0.23 8.21 10.40 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.00
    armenian 2.12 18.25 46.35 3.32 0.13 0.72 0.92 1.63 0.07 0.62 10.29 14.55 0.57 0.35 0.11 0.00
    armenian 0.52 17.65 56.61 2.95 0.13 0.09 0.09 0.27 0.18 0.20 8.40 12.91 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
    azeri 3.03 19.73 45.69 7.84 0.04 3.83 1.41 0.29 0.27 1.36 6.36 9.50 0.12 0.13 0.21 0.17
    chechen 0.15 22.44 51.00 20.05 0.40 1.89 0.62 0.30 0.91 0.70 0.87 0.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
    georgian 0.29 17.46 71.97 6.38 0.12 0.33 0.23 0.32 0.24 0.37 1.10 1.16 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00
    georgian 0.05 19.93 62.40 6.08 0.40 0.26 0.79 0.55 0.18 0.86 1.83 6.38 0.22 0.06 0.00 0.00
    iranian 3.93 27.42 38.80 4.14 0.47 0.95 0.52 0.39 0.34 0.48 4.98 15.08 0.14 0.81 0.30 1.26
    iranian 3.69 27.14 40.66 5.33 0.54 1.80 1.49 0.65 0.39 1.11 5.17 11.35 0.21 0.30 0.14 0.03
    kumyk 0.38 21.20 47.50 16.16 0.57 3.73 2.85 0.36 0.67 0.61 2.82 3.12 0.00 0.00 0.03 0.00
    kurd 3.01 25.64 41.13 4.69 0.43 1.29 0.58 0.81 0.62 0.87 6.38 13.37 0.38 0.55 0.24 0.00
    kurd 0.75 27.90 44.12 4.87 0.30 0.57 0.28 0.39 0.75 0.51 4.86 13.94 0.12 0.32 0.13 0.19
    kurd 1.56 26.52 45.34 5.55 0.32 0.49 0.58 0.38 0.38 0.19 5.67 12.81 0.09 0.05 0.07 0.00
    lezgin 0.02 28.15 46.69 20.10 0.14 1.05 0.32 0.14 0.92 0.84 0.74 0.88 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00
    stalskoe 0.07 23.71 40.73 20.55 1.65 2.76 0.81 0.59 1.56 1.34 3.97 1.55 0.20 0.07 0.24 0.21
    urkarah 0.27 27.90 43.17 24.08 0.45 1.05 0.00 0.39 1.10 0.90 0.11 0.29 0.06 0.06 0.12 0.05
    north-ossetian 0.28 19.35 45.41 13.79 0.97 5.35 3.10 1.41 1.32 0.57 4.12 3.08 0.51 0.00 0.75 0.00
    north-ossetian 0.10 18.43 56.38 14.71 0.27 3.91 2.92 0.39 0.55 1.14 1.08 0.10 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00

    Maximums in modern populations:
    Ethnicity Dataset S Indian Baloch Caucasian NE Euro SE Asian Siberian NE Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW Asian San E African Pygmy W African
    paniya chaubey 3 84% 0% 3% 0% 4% 2% 2% 4% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    brahui hgdp 25 12% 58% 12% 2% 1% 0% 0% 1% 0% 0% 2% 10% 0% 1% 0% 1%
    georgian behar 20 0% 17% 72% 6% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 1% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    finnish 1000genomes 100 1% 1% 2% 80% 0% 6% 0% 0% 0% 1% 5% 5% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    iban xing 25 5% 0% 0% 0% 87% 4% 0% 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    nganassan rasmussen 12 0% 1% 1% 3% 0% 89% 1% 0% 0% 4% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    japanese 1000genomes 7 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 1% 99% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    papuan hgdp 17 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 100% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    colombian hgdp 7 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 100% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    chukchi rasmussen 15 0% 0% 1% 5% 0% 12% 0% 0% 1% 80% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    sardinian hgdp 28 0% 0% 20% 12% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 60% 7% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    saudi behar 20 1% 5% 26% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 3% 58% 0% 3% 0% 1%
    san hgdp 6 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 100% 0% 0% 0%
    gumuz pagani 18 0% 0% 0% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 2% 1% 93% 3% 0%
    mbutipygmy hgdp 13 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 100% 0%
    yoruba 1000genomes 5 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 100%


    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...dd4/edit#gid=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Interesting Iran_Recent had elevated NE Euro and more Caucasian. Can you run Neolithic Iranian through this calculator?
    Nothing special. In general Kurds from Northern Kurdistan (Turkish occupied) score also more 'Caucasian' and 'NE Euro' than me or Kurds from South East Kurdistan (Iran) in general.


    Native Caucasian speakers (like Adygeans) have also more 'Caucasian' and 'NE Euro' than Iranians.


    So, Iran_Recent is more shifted toward Caucasus, while Southern Kurds / modern Iranians are slightly more shifted toward the Iranian Plateau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok
    Interesting Iran_Recent had elevated NE Euro and more Caucasian. Can you run Neolithic Iranian through this calculator?
    I couldn't find that Neolithic Iranian on GEDmatch, but I found the Chalcolithic one (kit number M124870):

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    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 45,47 49,91 ?
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 26,89 37,82 ?
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 13,13 10,88 ?
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 7,27 - ?
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 4,87 - ?
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 1,23 1,05 ?
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0,65 - ?
    W-African - - - 0,2 0,33 ?
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0,18 - ?
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0,12 - ?
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - - - ?
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 - - ?
    American 0,67 - 0,98 - - ?
    San 0,63 - - - - ?
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - - - ?
    Pygmy - - - - - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I couldn't find that Neolithic Iranian on GEDmatch, but I found the Chalcolithic one (kit number M124870):

    HarappaWorld:

    Admixture: Zoran: Arya: Goga: Irn1400s: IrnCopperAge IrnNeolithic
    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 45,47 49,91 ?
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 26,89 37,82 ?
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 13,13 10,88 ?
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 7,27 - ?
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 4,87 - ?
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 1,23 1,05 ?
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0,65 - ?
    W-African - - - 0,2 0,33 ?
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0,18 - ?
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0,12 - ?
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - - - ?
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 - - ?
    American 0,67 - 0,98 - - ?
    San 0,63 - - - - ?
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - - - ?
    Pygmy - - - - - ?
    Wow, now it is getting interesting. Copper Age guy has fewer admixtures. He/she is of much "purer" origin. Mainly two sources, Caucasus and Baloch. Is Baloch same as Gedrosia?
    Could it be run by something showing Yamnaya/Afansievo or Step admixtures?

    NE Euro and Mediterranean is missing completely. When did it come to The middle East? Greek/Roman/Anatolian/Turkic conquests?
    Half of Mediterranean admixture in this run could contain Semitic/Arabic admixture, and some in SW Asian I suppose.

    It'd be interesting to check other guys from the area to see what was native and what came with Steppe invasion of IEs, or source of Gedrosia. Even to check if Steppe theory holds water.
    Mesolithic guys from Iran, Caucasus and Yamnaya. Whoever they have in this calculator, please.

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    He already had almost 11% SW Asian, and modern people have only 13-15%.

    It's the North East European and Mediterranean that he's missing. The North East European could have come with steppe people in the Bronze or even the Iron Age, and so could the little bit of Mediterranean as well perhaps. The Srubnaya, Andronovo type people were, what, 40% Middle Neolithic as well as EHG?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    He already had almost 11% SW Asian, and modern people have only 13-15%.

    It's the North East European and Mediterranean that he's missing. The North East European could have come with steppe people in the Bronze or even the Iron Age, and so could the little bit of Mediterranean as well perhaps. The Srubnaya, Andronovo type people were, what, 40% Middle Neolithic as well as EHG?
    Good point angela NE European could have been connected to the Steppe admixture. In this case this copper age Iranian could have been Iranian Neolithic Farmer like before Steppe invasion.

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    I share 701 matching segments with RISE150 and 921 with BR2.

    Numbers such as 701 - 921 matching segments seem to be a lot.

    I made a similar comparison with ancient and modern Iranians:

    Kit T637158 (Medieval Iranian) shares 758 segments with a modern Iranian.

    Kit M124870 (Copper Age Iranian) shares 597 segments with a modern Iranian.

    Finally, T637158 and M124870 share 380 matching segments with each other.

    Criteria of comparison were the same in each case:

    Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 25 SNPs
    Mismatch-bunching Limit = 25 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    It seems that there was a some kind of a migration from the Balkans into the western parts of the Iranian Plateau, and Aryans (West Iranian like the Medes and Persians) mixed a little bit with those people. Maybe from the Indo-European West Anatolians like the Hittites and Phrygia or something???


    Y-DNA hg. I2a and E-V13 are not native to Iranian/Aryans otherwise there would be some Y-DNA hg. I2a and E-V13 in BMAC and SouthCentral Asia or even in India.
    Has to be either from the Lydians who lived on the western side of the Aryan Medes or has to be from the East Iranized Scythians who lived just north of the first Aryan mighty Median Empire. Or both, from Lydians AND Scythians. Althought we have DNA of Alano-Sarmatians, but they were not I2a & E-V13, BUT J1, J2, G2a, R1a-Z93 which are very common among the modern day Aryan people (Kurds & Persians) of the western Iranian Plateau




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    LeBrok, you have a lot of Hindu Kush as well, and your wife too.

    Interesting, where did it come from? Why do we have so much?

    How did Hindu Kush got to Poland? With Gypsies?
    Check how much of "South India" do you have in HarappaWorld.

    Someone with Gypsy ancestry should score a lot of South India.

    On the other hand, "Hindu Kush" is more similar to "Baloch".

    My results:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    LeBrok, you have a lot of Hindu Kush as well, and your wife too.

    Interesting, where did it come from? Why do we have so much?



    Check how much of "South India" do you have in HarappaWorld.

    Someone with Gypsy ancestry should score a lot of South India.

    On the other hand, "Hindu Kush" is more similar to "Baloch".

    My results:

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    S-Indian 0.62
    Baloch 7.47
    Caucasian 10.05
    NE-Euro 57.28
    SE-Asian 0.54
    Siberian 1.22
    NE-Asian 0.35
    Papuan -
    American -
    Beringian 0.07
    Mediterranean 21.53
    SW-Asian 0.86
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Nothing extraordinary here, though I have bunch of many small admixtures. Some of my far ancestors have been around, lol.

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    This 0,62 South Indian is not enough for Gypsy ancestors. At least not anything recent.

    Gypsies most probably have some "Hindu Kush", but they have even more of S-Indian.

    It is too elevated to be explained with few Gypsies in Poland
    Maybe it is from Armenians in Poland ???

    You are from southern regions (Cracow and Galicia, right?) so maybe "Hindu Kush" is higher there.

    Surprisingly, for a guy who loves HGs, your Farmer/Near Eastern is the highest, Tomenable. ;)
    Maybe that's why I love HGs, lol. ;)

    The "average" group of Poles was really high on WHG and Steppe and low on Farmer. I wonder what region they were from?
    Perhaps from North-Eastern Poland? It is Davidski's calculator, so he probably chose the sample.

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    How do you check who from ancient samples they have in Gedmatch calculator? I would like to see Yamnaya folks, Afansievo, and Samara HGs in K15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maybe it is from Armenians in Poland ???

    You are from southern regions (Cracow and Galicia, right?) so maybe "Hindu Kush" is higher there.
    Armenians are also receivers and not donors of this component. Armenians don't have as much of the so called 'Gedrosia' "Hindu Kush" component as Iranians and native people of the Iranian Plateau.


    from Dodecad K12b results Armenians score between 15 - 178 % of Gedrosian.


    My Dodecad K12b results :


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 37.76
    2 Gedrosia 28.04
    3 Southwest_Asian 14.71
    4 Atlantic_Med 8.76
    5 North_European 4.87
    6 South_Asian 2.69
    7 Northwest_African 1.76
    8 Siberian 0.88
    9 Southeast_Asian 0.32
    10 East_Asian 0.21


    from Spreadsheet for Dodecad K12b

    Population Gedrosia Siberian Northwest_Africa Southeast_Asia Atlantic_Med North_Europe South_Asia East_Africa Southwest_Asia East_Asia Caucasus Sub_Sahara
    Armenian 16.82 0.00 0.00 0.00 10.31 3.00 0.00 0.00 14.01 0.00 55.86 0.00
    Armenians 15.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.80 4.50 0.20 0.00 9.90 0.00 59.80 0.00
    Armenians_15 18.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.80 3.40 0.40 0.00 13.70 0.00 55.70 0.00
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    HarappaWorld:
    Added late Afanasevo Culture samples Rise 509, or (early Andronovo?).

    Admixture: Zoran: Arya: Goga: Irn1400s: IrnCopperAge Afansevo
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    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 45,47 49,91 2.03
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 26,89 37,82 29.56
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 13,13 10,88 -
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 7,27 - 63.24
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 4,87 - 1.89
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 1,23 1,05 -
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0,65 - 1.64
    W-African - - - 0,2 0,33 0.72
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0,18 - -
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0,12 - 1.45
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - - - -
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 - - -
    American 0,67 - 0,98 - - 1.40
    San 0,63 - - - - -
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - - - -
    Pygmy - - - - - -

    Interestingly Rise 509 has a lot of Baloch, but almost no Caucasian. Perhaps the Baloch is same as Early Neolithic Iranian Farmer, who migrated to the Steppe.
    It has a lot of Euro at 63%. In this case, if Rise 509 is a good proxy of IE who invaded South, the ratio would need to be 1 invader to 9 locals. In order to leave only 7% of NE Euro in ancient Iranian (Iran1400).

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    [QUOTE=LeBrok;490734]HarappaWorld:
    Added Catacomb Culture (post Yamanya) Rise 552, ~2000 BC, just North of Caucasus. It has more Caucasian and Baloch. I'm starting to think that Caucasian admixture in this run is the same as Anatolian/Levant Neolithic and Baloch is the Iranian Neolithic. NE European is all the WHG/ANE from hunter gatherers. Well, all very roughly counted, I should add.

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    Rise 509
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    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 45,47 49,91 2.03 6.58
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 26,89 37,82 29.56 33.24
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 13,13 10,88 -
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 7,27 - 63.24 56.02
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 4,87 - 1.89
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 1,23 1,05 -
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0,65 - 1.64
    W-African - - - 0,2 0,33 0.72 0.95
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0,18 - -
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0,12 - 1.45 0.75
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - - - -
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 - - -
    American 0,67 - 0,98 - - 1.40 2.46
    San 0,63 - - - - -
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - - - -
    Pygmy - - - - - -

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    HarappaWorld:
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    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 45,47 49,91 2.03 6.58 10.05 Part of EEF
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 26,89 37,82 29.56 33.24 7.47 Iranian Neolithic
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 13,13 10,88 - 0.86 Semitic?
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 7,27 - 63.24 56.02 57.25 EHG
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 4,87 - 1.89 21.53 Part of EEF
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 1,23 1,05 - 0.62
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0,65 - 1.64 1.22
    W-African - - - 0,2 0,33 0.72 0.95
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0,18 - - 0.54
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0,12 - 1.45 0.75 0.07
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - - - -
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 - - -
    American 0,67 - 0,98 - - 1.40 2.46
    San 0,63 - - - - -
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - - - -
    Pygmy - - - - - -

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    HarappaWorld:
    Added late Afanasevo Culture samples Rise 509, or (early Andronovo?).

    Interestingly Rise 509 has a lot of Baloch, but almost no Caucasian. Perhaps the Baloch is same as Early Neolithic Iranian Farmer, who migrated to the Steppe.
    It has a lot of Euro at 63%. In this case, if Rise 509 is a good proxy of IE who invaded South, the ratio would need to be 1 invader to 9 locals. In order to leave only 7% of NE Euro in ancient Iranian (Iran1400).
    Nice try.


    It was actually the other way around.


    proto-East Iranians from proto-BMAC culture from SouthCentral Asia went to the Eastern Steppes and 'Iranized' the natives of the Andronovo horizon.



    Caucasian and Baloch components were brought into the Yamnaya Horzion by PIE folks from Maykop/Leyla Tepe. Those PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe were folks with 2 main components: Caucasian and Baloch. Than Yamnaya invaded Europe and brought Baloch/Gedrosia component into Europe.


    Afansevo can't be directly from Yamnaya Horizon (second stage of PIE) because there is not much of Caucasian auDNA there.


    That means that there was a migration from the Iranian Plateau into the Steppes who Indo-Europized ( / Iranized ) native people of the Steppes.


    By the time when Iranians from proto-BMAC invaded the Steppes, the Eastern Steppes were not Indo-European yet because there was not enough Caucasian auDNA yet, while in Yamnaya was a lot Caucasian auDNA.



    Baloch components is true PIE and later even an Iranian (Aryan) component.

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    " Hints of a northward movement from the Southern Central Asian oases are also in Ferghana, a region rich in tin deposits, because there has been found a store of bronze and silver objects of southern origin (op. cit., pp.243-244). It is remarkable that Bactrian camels are among the animals bred in the Andronovo cultures succeeding Sintashta culture (they are dated 1800-1000 BC), and camels were domesticated in Turkmenistan at least in the first half of the 3rd millennium BC (see here); they had an Indo-Iranian name (*uštra-), which was borrowed into Finno-Ugric and Turkic languages. "

    http://new-indology.blogspot.nl/2013...spectives.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Nice.

    It was the other way.

    proto-East Iranians Iranians from proto-BMAC culture from South Central Asia went to the Eastern Steppes and 'Iranized' the natives of the Andronovo horizon.
    We don't have genetic from this place, so lets not get ahead of ourselves.


    Caucasian and Baloch components were brought into the Yamnaya Horzion by PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe. Those PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe were folks with 2 main components: Caucasian and Baloch.
    Baloch yes, we see lots of it in the Steppe, but Caucasian is barely trickling. It look like Iranian Farmers were mostly Baloch admixtures went to the Steppe. Caucasian, which I'm guessing is like Levant Neolithic here, came later and slowly trickled down through Caucasus. Look at Rise samples, not much Caucasian there. It means that at the time farmers of Maykop crosse the mountains they had mostly Baloch admixture and nothing else.

    Afansevo can't be directly from Yamnaya Horizon (second stage of PIE) becasue there is not much of Caucasian auDNA there.
    Caucasian in this run is not Caucasian you expect. I think it must be Anatolian Neolithic, which came later to this area.


    That means that there was a migration from the Iranian Plateau into the Steppes who Indo-Europized ( / Iranized ) native people of the Steppes.
    There was, nobody can deny it. In this run it shows in Baloch admixture in steppe people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    We don't have genetic from this place, so lets not get ahead of ourselves.


    Baloch yes, we see lots of it in the Steppe, but Caucasian is barely trickling. It look like Iranian Farmers were mostly Baloch admixtures went to the Steppe. Caucasian, which I'm guessing is like Levant Neolithic here, came later and slowly trickled down through Caucasus. Look at Rise samples, not much Caucasian there. It means that at the time farmers of Maykop crosse the mountains they had mostly Baloch admixture and nothing else.

    Caucasian in this run is not Caucasian you expect. I think it must be Anatolian Neolithic, which came later to this area.


    There was, nobody can deny it. In this run it shows in Baloch admixture in steppe people.
    No, the first (original) wave of PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe who invaded and Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon were partly Caucasian, partly Baloch folks. Native Caucasian auDNA is actually bordering the Yamnaya Horizon. So it has be that a lot Caucasian auDNA entered the Yamnaya with the PIE. Even due to some geneflow from Caucasus there would be alot Caucasian component in Yamnaya Horzion. There is more Caucasians auDNA in Northern Caucasus (CHG !!!), than Baloch compotent.

    So, I'm not sure about ratio between Caucasus-Baloch of PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe that entered the Yamnaya Horizon. It could be that at that time the ration of original PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe was in favor of Baloch component.

    Caucasian component in Northern Caucasus is from CHG!!!

    I'm sure that Y-DNA haplogroups R1a* and R1b* were correlated with that Baloch component.


    Afanasevo culture is older than Sintashta culture. That's why I take Afanasevo as example.

    Afanasevo = 2.03 % Caucasian and 25.56 % Baloch.

    100 / (2.03 + 29.56 ) = 3.166
    2.03 x 3.166 = 6.43
    29.56 x 3.166 = 93.57

    East Iranians from BMAC who invaded the Steppes and Iranized the Andronovo Horizion were for about 6.43 % Caucasian and 93.57 % Baloch, that makes sense since BMAC was located not far from Gedrosia/Hindu Kush area.


    The ratio between Caucasian/Baloch of West Iranian folks like the Medes and Persians was much more balanced..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
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    It is even chronologically impossible!!

    proto-East Iranian BMAC culture from the Iranian Plateau is OLDER than Sintashta..

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    about BMAC (Oxus culture) and Kopet-Dag. Kopet-Dag is an ancient prehistoric village located within BMAC and predate all Steppe Cultures by THOUSANDS of years!!!


    " The ancient Oxus culture may have arisen at sites like Anau, a settlement at the base of the Kopet-Dag mountains, which dates back to 6500 B.C.

    Pumpelly clung to his vision of an early civilization that thrived along the rivers flowing down from the Kopet-Dag. Years later, Soviet archaeologists working along the mountain foothills confirmed that as early as 6500 B.C., small bands of people were living in the Kopet-Dag, raising wheat and barley and grazing their sheep and goats on the mountains' foothills and slopes. That's a few thousand years after these grains were domesticated in the Near East but much earlier than most researchers had thought likely, supporting Pumpelly's view that Central Asian culture developed much sooner than commonly believed.


    By 3000 B.C., the people of the Kopet-Dag had organized into walled towns. They used carts drawn by domesticated animals, and their pottery resembles the kind later found in Gonur. Many Soviet and Western archaeologists suspect that the Oxus civilization—at least in Margiana, the region in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan—evolved from this Kopet-Dag culture. "





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    http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov...d-turkmenistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Many Soviet and Western archaeologists suspect that the Oxus civilization—at least in Margiana, the region in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan—evolved from this Kopet-Dag culture. "


    http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov...d-turkmenistan
    And it is a FACT that ARYANS (proto-East Iranian speakers) who invaded INDIA came from BMAC area. They did not come from the Steppes, but from BMAC. And BMAC predate the Indo-Europized / Iranized cultures in the Steppes by THOUSANDS of years. So, those Aryans from BMAC who invaded India belonged mostly to a Caucasian-Baloch (Iranid / Irano-Afghano) race at the first place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    No, the first (original) wave of PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe who invaded and Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon were partly Caucasian, partly Baloch folks. Native Caucasian auDNA is actually bordering the Yamnaya Horizon. So it has be that a lot Caucasian auDNA entered the Yamnaya with the PIE. Even due to some geneflow from Caucasus there would be alot Caucasian component in Yamnaya Horzion. There is more Caucasians auDNA in Northern Caucasus (CHG !!!), than Baloch compotent.
    You are confusing Caucasian region with Caucasian admixture in this run. It is not what usually we call Caucasian, like per Caucasian Hunter Gatherer. In this run it seems Caucasian is really Anatolian Neolithic.
    What is the True Caucasian is actually called Baloch here, which is Iranian Neolithic and CHG, both almost identical anyway. So Baloch is True Caucasian, and what is called Caucasian is Anatolian Neolithic.
    So, I'm not sure about ratio between Caucasus-Baloch of PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe that entered the Yamnaya Horizon. It could be that at that time the ration of original PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe was in favor of Baloch component.
    We can only say that Maykop brought part of PIE, especially farming technology. We don't know their language and religion.



    Caucasian component in Northern Caucasus is from CHG!!!
    Again, it is called Baloch here, and it is as CHG as Iranian Neolithic.


    I'm sure that Y-DNA haplogroups R1a* and R1b* were correlated with that Baloch component.
    Unless my R1b clade was found in Iran. ;)


    Afanasevo culture is older than Sintashta culture. That's why I take Afanasevo as example.

    Afanasevo = 2.03 % Caucasian and 25.56 % Baloch.



    We just need to find genome of CHG or Iranian Neolithic guy in Gedmatch to solve the rest of the puzzle.

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