Archetype0ne
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What are we to make of J2b2 being found in ancient samples from the Italian peninsula?
Couple of things I guess.
Some sort of association with the western Balkans given that 3/3 Etruscan samples are likely downstream of HRV MBA L283. Yet, peculiarly, despite hinting at an obvious connection with NW Balkans due to the YDNA, the autosomal profile is quite southern, in fact Apulians are the closest modern population based on some calculator I can not recall off the top of my head. This is weird, since the Daunians, likely z638, autosomal based on the authors conclusion had no continuity in todays Apulian's (not any of the top 25 modern populations in similarity), or any connection to the Greeks of the time for that matter (Magna Grecia), culturally or otherwise. Yet, here we are, a further north YDNA, associated with Etruscans, seems to have a more south-east med/Balkan autosomal makeup, (and maybe some autosomal continuity with Apulians?).
Whatever the case, L283 has been very lucky with ancient samples as of late.
First Maros, then rumored North Albania BA, then Daunians, then more Etruscans, and now I hear ""~30% of ancient Roman samples (0-400 AD) from Viminacium , and ~25% of Roman/Early Medieval samples (300-700 AD) from Timacum Minus are E-V13."
"It's from an upcoming aDNA paper by Reich's team. Since most, if not all sequencing and subsequent analyses are done (autosomal, Y-DNA, mtDNA), I hope we'll see the paper published this year. As per usual, they didn't bother much with Y chromosome, so we'll have to wait BAM files to discover deeper subclades. There are also J2b2a-L283 and R1b-Z2103>CTS1450 samples from Timacum Minus, dated 300-500 AD."
^As quoted from Waldemar on Anthrogenica.
What we can say for sure, around LBA-IA L283 liked to get around, and in my opinion I suspect given in how many different "unrelated" cultures it has been found, it must have had some widespread demographic boom and been incorporated into all these ancient peoples before this period. What gave this haplo the advantage to spread their seed around, I am not quite sure, but it must have been some Bronze Age technology, or phenomena.