Pax Augusta
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I just don't understand why, if you're going to speculate, you can't at least get the facts straight.
Get facts straight is much more challenging.
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I just don't understand why, if you're going to speculate, you can't at least get the facts straight.
I can show you dozens of results from fully Tuscans who are further north of TSI. TSI is a huge sample but based on 3 out of 4 grandparents born in Tuscany. Not the best and most reliable sample.
I notice you're literally trying to change the subject. So we went from the Italics in a Lombard cemetery to the Etruscans.
what is the Balkans ID or the Anatolian ID ? .........since TSI equals Tuscan
Distance to: | Angela |
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6.46676117 | SZ43 |
7.88178279 | CL36 |
8.36475343 | SZ28 |
9.17988562 | SZ31 |
9.21016829 | CL23 |
10.41424025 | SZ36 |
12.03847582 | SZ19 |
13.46236235 | CL121 |
13.64184738 | SZ37 |
13.75852463 | SZ40 |
14.98977652 | CL49 |
15.28010471 | CL94 |
15.45590826 | SZ1 |
18.31423490 | CL47 |
18.74603958 | CL110 |
19.23289630 | SZ45 |
19.41088870 | CL57 |
19.69635753 | SZ27 |
20.23486595 | CL102 |
21.11674217 | SZ18 |
21.87732388 | CL25 |
21.92327074 | CL53 |
22.38530321 | CL63 |
22.54289689 | SZ6 |
23.64079736 | SZ5 |
23.93474253 | SZ20 |
24.87802444 | CL31 |
25.30196040 | CL38 |
25.77662119 | SZ8 |
26.01374252 | CL30 |
26.34819538 | SZ3 |
28.14467800 | SZ35 |
28.53845476 | CL97 |
29.06323795 | SZ23 |
30.40050657 | SZ14 |
30.73170350 | SZ38 |
31.38078552 | CL87 |
32.23384867 | SZ42 |
32.39700603 | SZ30 |
32.73854914 | SZ24 |
32.78214758 | SZ12 |
33.55152158 | SZ11 |
34.32145976 | SZ15 |
34.33362929 | SZ25 |
34.96199794 | CL83 |
35.22221032 | SZ7 |
35.75875837 | CL84 |
36.47753418 | SZ22 |
36.86300720 | SZ13 |
37.47259532 | CL92 |
Target: Angela Distance: 5.4553% / 5.45531241 | ADC: 0.5x | |
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45.8 | SZ43 |
32.6 | SZ28 |
21.6 | SZ19 |
Distance to: | SZ43 |
---|---|
3.22347173 | Italy_Tuscany |
3.67599497 | Italy_Emilia |
3.76627137 | Italy_Romagna |
4.34573148 | Italy_Liguria |
5.98984105 | Italy_Veneto |
6.14160708 | Italy_Lombardy |
6.66834463 | Italy_Piedmont |
6.80685669 | Italy_Marche |
6.83240397 | Italy_Lazio |
7.08566271 | France_Corsica |
8.15740155 | Albanian_Kosovo |
8.31026931 | Italy_FriuliVG |
8.45714491 | Albanian_North |
9.51176443 | Swiss_Italian |
10.06146411 | Italy_Trentino |
12.47558791 | Italy_Abruzzo |
13.21395122 | Italy_Aosta_Valley |
13.42635468 | Macedonian |
13.48384589 | Gagauz |
14.15735851 | Greek |
14.17751628 | Italy_Apulia |
15.21394446 | Italy_Campania |
15.75183164 | Pomak |
15.86236631 | Italy_Sicily |
17.08022248 | Bulgarians |
Distance to: | SZ28 |
---|---|
3.15688415 | Italy_Lombardy |
3.68586183 | Italy_Veneto |
4.18856241 | Italy_Piedmont |
4.35651954 | Swiss_Italian |
4.71988328 | Italy_Liguria |
5.48467319 | Italy_Trentino |
5.55766417 | Italy_Emilia |
6.21216516 | Italy_FriuliVG |
6.92259128 | Italy_Tuscany |
8.29791210 | Italy_Aosta_Valley |
9.19060934 | Italy_Romagna |
9.78190554 | France_Corsica |
11.12790187 | Albanian_North |
11.51133789 | Albanian_Kosovo |
12.48216864 | Italy_Lazio |
12.51259198 | Italy_Marche |
13.76495914 | Macedonian |
14.89189377 | Baleares |
15.67665143 | Gagauz |
16.13758036 | Galicia |
16.55178238 | Pomak |
17.28839206 | Extremadura |
17.83082724 | Portuguese |
18.07756897 | Romanians |
18.11171168 | Bulgarians |
Distance to: | SZ19 |
---|---|
9.50406745 | Italy_Marche |
9.76339214 | Italy_Campania |
10.06507326 | Italy_Abruzzo |
10.27952820 | Greek |
10.81723504 | Italy_Lazio |
11.13217122 | France_Corsica |
11.28365632 | Italy_Romagna |
11.75672425 | Italy_Sicily |
12.19551967 | Ashkenazi |
12.21422743 | Italy_Calabria |
12.24901580 | Italy_Apulia |
12.71852193 | Ashkenazy_Jews |
13.08157445 | Italy_Tuscany |
14.63705267 | Italy_Emilia |
15.20139172 | Italy_Liguria |
15.72546661 | Greek_Crete |
16.03143475 | Albanian_Kosovo |
16.15626504 | Sephardic_Jews |
16.85413896 | Albanian_North |
17.28014796 | Italy_Lombardy |
18.05386108 | Morocco_Jews |
18.42836177 | Italy_Veneto |
18.70324892 | Italy_Piedmont |
18.93550369 | Crimean_Tatar_Coast |
20.45296350 | Italy_FriuliVG |
Distance to: | Torziok12b |
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4.82277928 | Collegno23 |
6.00532264 | Szolad28 |
6.60955369 | Collegno49 |
6.93799683 | Collegno94 |
7.62312272 | Collegno57 |
7.70831369 | Collegno36 |
7.72828571 | Collegno47 |
7.93197958 | Szolad45 |
8.04854024 | Szolad43 |
8.12515231 | Szolad27 |
9.50909039 | Collegno102 |
9.57848631 | Szolad18 |
9.71251255 | Szolad31 |
10.29711610 | Szolad36 |
10.30020874 | Szolad1 |
11.11805738 | Collegno63 |
11.31026083 | Szolad37 |
11.39341915 | Collegno53 |
11.80897963 | Szolad6 |
12.50922460 | Szolad5 |
15.35938801 | Szolad8 |
16.17804067 | Szolad3 |
17.42612981 | Collegno121 |
17.49300432 | Collegno97 |
18.09335790 | Szolad23 |
51.6 | Collegno23 |
27.2 | Szolad27 |
14.8 | Szolad28 |
6.4 | Collegno47 |
Distance to: | PonzanoK12b |
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5.67751706 | Collegno49 |
5.95225167 | Szolad28 |
6.08940063 | Collegno47 |
6.10329419 | Collegno23 |
6.37341353 | Collegno94 |
6.61260161 | Szolad45 |
7.21248917 | Collegno57 |
8.10768771 | Collegno102 |
8.39875586 | Szolad27 |
8.68036866 | Szolad18 |
9.25234565 | Collegno36 |
9.39199659 | Szolad43 |
10.01059439 | Szolad6 |
10.70744601 | Collegno63 |
10.81569693 | Szolad1 |
10.94461055 | Szolad31 |
11.36055456 | Szolad36 |
11.44666764 | Collegno53 |
11.56374939 | Szolad5 |
12.27215547 | Szolad37 |
14.14405175 | Szolad8 |
15.19414361 | Szolad3 |
16.54548881 | Collegno97 |
17.22175949 | Szolad23 |
18.43368655 | Szolad14 |
mine .......................which are the Germanics?
They come very close to my sample.
SZ7 is even from all ancients samples the closest match.
Match top three:
That would make the Germanic picture clear, but I have doubts because the Celtic vs Germanic PCA of Eurogenes has more focus on recent drift.
The picture is different:
So what's most close to the Germanics?
A practical solution would be if you have only G25 than my initial distances are ok.
0.03215508 | ScythiansEU_MA_ACD_NW_54 |
0.04234237 | Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy305 |
0.04536127 | Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy197 |
0.04889319 | Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy300 |
0.05228462 | Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy192 |
0.06228043 | GermanicsEU_MA_AED_1135 |
0.06614894 | Getae:UKR_Cimmerian_MJ12 |
0.06967941 | Goths:UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky_MJ37 |
0.07145475 | Thracians:BGR_IA_I5769 |
0.08030358 | Scythians:Scythians_UKR_scy010 |
0.01844831 | IBERIAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36 |
0.01939716 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Scythian_Moldova:scy305 |
0.02074078 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN::Germany_Medieval_ACD:NW_54 |
0.02078750 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ37 |
0.02215920 | IBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892 |
0.02454689 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Scythian_Moldova:scy197 |
0.02488735 | GRECO-ROMAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL121 |
0.02665746 | IBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895 |
0.02682257 | GRECO-ROMAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43 |
0.02767562 | CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673 |
0.02947338 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ32 |
0.03009252 | GERMANIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 |
0.03143390 | IBERIAN:Germany_Roman:FN_2 |
0.03181886 | CELTIC:England_Roman:3DT16 |
0.03216209 | CELTIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 |
0.03347536 | ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Balkans_IA:I5769 |
0.03365293 | AQUITANIAN:Iberia_North_IA:I3758 |
0.03389602 | CELTIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ8 |
0.03398367 | CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777 |
0.03483848 | GERMANIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 |
0.03484494 | CELTIC:England_Roman:6DT22 |
0.03506722 | CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 |
0.03543713 | GERMANIC:Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_220 |
0.03579665 | GRECO-ROMAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL25 |
0.03619876 | IBERIAN:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585 |
mine .......................which are the Germanics?
Distance to: Torziok12b 4.82277928 Collegno23 6.00532264 Szolad28 6.60955369 Collegno49 6.93799683 Collegno94 7.62312272 Collegno57 7.70831369 Collegno36 7.72828571 Collegno47 7.93197958 Szolad45 8.04854024 Szolad43 8.12515231 Szolad27 9.50909039 Collegno102 9.57848631 Szolad18 9.71251255 Szolad31 10.29711610 Szolad36 10.30020874 Szolad1 11.11805738 Collegno63 11.31026083 Szolad37 11.39341915 Collegno53 11.80897963 Szolad6 12.50922460 Szolad5 15.35938801 Szolad8 16.17804067 Szolad3 17.42612981 Collegno121 17.49300432 Collegno97 18.09335790 Szolad23
51.6 Collegno23 27.2 Szolad27 14.8 Szolad28 6.4 Collegno47
my father below
Distance to: PonzanoK12b 5.67751706 Collegno49 5.95225167 Szolad28 6.08940063 Collegno47 6.10329419 Collegno23 6.37341353 Collegno94 6.61260161 Szolad45 7.21248917 Collegno57 8.10768771 Collegno102 8.39875586 Szolad27 8.68036866 Szolad18 9.25234565 Collegno36 9.39199659 Szolad43 10.01059439 Szolad6 10.70744601 Collegno63 10.81569693 Szolad1 10.94461055 Szolad31 11.36055456 Szolad36 11.44666764 Collegno53 11.56374939 Szolad5 12.27215547 Szolad37 14.14405175 Szolad8 15.19414361 Szolad3 16.54548881 Collegno97 17.22175949 Szolad23 18.43368655 Szolad14
this abstract should be interesting in connection to the previews samples ......
Investigating population genomic continuity between the fifth and sixth century
The fourth through sixth centuries CE in Europe are commonly known as the Migration Period. Historical texts document that a group known as the Lombards, had settled in Pannonia (present-day western Hungary and surrounding regions) in the early sixth century, abandoned Pannonia in 568 CE and invaded Italy, ruling much of Italy for the next two centuries. We analyzed paleogenomic data from cemeteries associated with their migration and the communities that preceded them to test if and to what extent the population of Pannonia in the sixth century showed a change (possibly due to the arrival of the Lombards) and whether the migration/invasion into Italy may have occurred. We generated genomic data from 40 individuals from fifth century (pre-Lombard era) cemeteries from Hungary (Balatonszemes and Hács) and Italy (Bardonecchia and Lavazza). We analyzed these data alongside previously generated data from nearby sixth/seventh century (Lombard-era) cemeteries from Szólád (Hungary) and Collegno (Italy). We found that individuals from Bardonecchia and Lavazza predominantly had ancestry associated with contemporary southern Europeans, consistent with their geography. However, many of the individuals from Collegno possessed almost exclusively ancestry associated with contemporary northern Europeans, supporting the proposed Lombard migration into Italy during the sixth century. In contrast, we found that individuals from Balatonszemes and Hács possessed both northern and southern ancestry, as previously observed for Szólád. We analyzed the sharing of rare variants using medium (5-14x) coverage whole genomes to test whether this was representative of population continuity or migration between the fifth and sixth centuries.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...002/ajpa.24023
p.s
hope for paper soon
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