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Thread: Extensive female-biased immigration in Early Medieval Bavaria

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    Quote Originally Posted by LATGAL View Post
    Milan, I think you misunderstood some of my points but it doesn't matter since we agree on the basic thing - we'll know with more data.

    I have seen your various theories in the past trying to link Thracians, Goths, Slavs etc. all together and everything else but I'm curious about your explanation on why e.g. Gheg Albanians are so much more southwestern compared to Slavic Macedonians despite not being geographically more southern (if anything the opposite on average) or the same with northern Italians and Croats? What's your current theory?
    he seems to be saying that they are not the same /race/people but some of these where absorbed into certain societies......example thracian triballi with serbs, goths absorbed saramatians and thracian getae, Dorianns absorbed myceneans who previously absorbed the minoans etc
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post

    To be precise here, are you suggesting that all Goths of History were Getae or that some of the supposed ones only were Getae, by confusion? Do you say: no gothic language? "forgery"??? mistake, bad assimilation or forgery? this last word seems to me being very in the fashion, today... History is not truth everytime but DNA seems to me confirming it, broadly said, rather than the opposite.
    Thanks for your answer.
    My opinion and on some people that i follow that did some research is that "codex argenteus" is based on Langobardic documents and language work done in the XVII century and that is not a Gothic language neither Gothic alphabet.
    Yes Goti (Goths) and Geti or Getae (Gets) are one and a same,just one quote from "unreliable" Historia Augusta about emperor Maximinus Thrax.
    Maximinus the elder became famous in the reign of Alexander; but his service in the army began under Severus. He was born in a village in Thrace bordering on the barbarians, indeed of a barbarian father and mother, the one, men say, being of the Goths, the other of the Alani… This youth, half barbarian and scarcely yet master of the Latin tongue, speaking almost pure Thracian, publicly besought the Emperor
    Actual explanation of the "confusion"

    The references to his "Gothic" ancestry might refer to a Thracian Getae origin (the two populations were often confused by later writers, most notably by Jordanes in his Getica), as suggested by the paragraphs describing how "he was singularly beloved by the Getae, moreover, as if he were one of themselves" and how he spoke "almost pure Thracian"
    Not to mention that every author quote them as one and same,i was disscusing this in some other threads and i will not debate that here,since the topic is huge and as well the "confusion" a big amount of time was put into.

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    It seems the Roman soldier FN_2 was G-L42. He is already in YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L42/

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    Well, that fits then.


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    Not a migration, but simply exotic prestige imports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milan.M View Post
    My opinion and on some people that i follow that did some research is that "codex argenteus" is based on Langobardic documents and language work done in the XVII century and that is not a Gothic language neither Gothic alphabet.
    Yes Goti (Goths) and Geti or Getae (Gets) are one and a same,just one quote from "unreliable" Historia Augusta about emperor Maximinus Thrax.
    Hum... very astonishing aswer indeed!
    Which people then wrote the 'gotic runes' found in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, of typical germanic language origin?
    We can say the original religious texts adwritten in high middle ages (codex argenteus) are not too reliable concerning the primary language, but who can assure it was a longobardic language? ATW the older runes exist; and where would be come the germanic names of Ostrogoths and Wisigoths in Western Europe from?
    Getae for a lot of scholars are to be put close to Dacians and Thracians for I know, beofre a newer theory (?) -
    excuse me for this aspect not in the focus of the present thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey View Post
    Not a migration, but simply exotic prestige imports.
    Who didn't migrate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    All samples on Gedmatch Genesis

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    GN1214883 AED 1119 15812
    TR2672977 AED 1135 25580
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