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Noel Malcolm is not Matzinger.
Noel Malcolm is not a linguist. He's a journalist. You want to quote some drug dealers too?
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Noel Malcolm is not Matzinger.
Noel Malcolm is not a linguist. He's a journalist. You want to quote some drug dealers too?
Keep going, show everybody here exactly what a low order of creature you are.
Equating Noel Malcolm with a drug dealer is so pathetically desperate.
You must have gotten very mad that your stupid wikipedia linked romanian linguist Mihaescu and his argument from the 50s is not valid in the slightest and not accepted as serious by anybody in academia.
As for Noel Malcolm, here is something from your beloved wikipedia about who he is:
He studied history at Peterhouse, Cambridge, between 1974 and 1978. He received his PhD in history while he was at Trinity College, Cambridge.
Malcolm was a Fellow and college lecturer at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge, from 1981 to 1988.
He was knighted in the 2014 New Year Honours for services to scholarship, journalism, and European history.
If you had five lifetimes you wouldn't be able to achieve what he has done, because you are a very low and irrelevant nobody. You can keep yapping all you want, nobody respects your yapping.
My paternal line is f'ing Illyrian... the African answer was just at the same cognitive level as your weird answer to my phenotype comment. Sure but I don't think these E1b people were as fair as PIE Illyrians or had in any way similar features... I mean would be obscure if they did. Also just looking at that turban like garnment of those Berisha/Kelmendi/Sopi whatever guys in Rugova and their tan and features...yikes.
Distance to: | I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp |
---|---|
22.35843912 | German |
26.77410316 | Scottish |
30.37995885 | Danish |
32.95071168 | Algerian |
41.36360840 | Russian |
43.87628403 | Syrian |
48.73961941 | Lebanese_Druze |
Distance to: | I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp |
---|---|
22.59103362 | Algerian |
33.04508284 | Syrian |
36.74405938 | Lebanese_Druze |
40.89445928 | German |
45.71078866 | Scottish |
49.24464742 | Danish |
55.60052068 | Russian |
Distance to: | I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp |
---|---|
5.12415847 | French_Provence |
5.43453770 | Italian_Veneto |
5.56891372 | Italian_Piedmont |
6.91223553 | Italian_Friuli |
7.23040801 | Italian_Liguria |
7.50322597 | Italian_Trentino |
7.63498527 | Italian_Lombardy |
7.66717679 | Italian_Emilia |
7.95719800 | Italian_Aosta_Valley |
8.92562603 | Swiss_Italian |
9.82746661 | Portuguese |
9.86850039 | Spanish_Extremadura |
10.24896092 | Italian_Tuscany |
10.95161175 | Spanish_Galicia |
11.07736882 | Swiss_French |
11.18624602 | Austrian_Tyrol |
11.19579385 | Spanish_Catalonia |
11.31314722 | Spanish_Murcia |
11.36757230 | Spanish_Andalusia |
11.75111910 | Italian_Romagna |
11.85622200 | Spanish_Castile-León |
12.05249767 | Spanish_Valencia |
12.38313369 | Italian_Umbria |
12.63928795 | Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha |
12.65749975 | French_South |
Well, in absence of South Illyrian genomes, i guess the algorithm automatically picks up Iron Age Bulgarian instead of Dalmatian. I am like sure of this. Probably the ancient Balkans was more divided in an horizontal axum as well, having more Mediterranean to the South and more Steppe to the North. On a vertical axum it was the slight WHG admixture which differed the West Balkans from deeper South/East Balkans.
Realistically i expect South Illyrian + Thracian + Greek (more Mediterranean) and North Illyrian + Danubian Daco-Moesians and last Slavic admixture among Albanians.
Well, in absence of South Illyrian genomes, i guess the algorithm automatically picks up Iron Age Bulgarian instead of Dalmatian. I am like sure of this. Probably the ancient Balkans was more divided in an horizontal axum as well, having more Mediterranean to the South and more Steppe to the North. On a vertical axum it was the slight WHG admixture which differed the West Balkans from deeper South/East Balkans.
Realistically i expect South Illyrian + Thracian + Greek (more Mediterranean) and North Illyrian + Danubian Daco-Moesians and last Slavic admixture among Albanians.
"Po të pyesim pleq të ndryshëm nga Malësia e Lezhës, nga Bajrakët e Ohrit, nga Mirdita, nga Berisha, nga Merturi i Gurit, për prejardhjen e tyne, të gjithë kanë me t'u përgjegjë në një mënyrë:
Na nuk jemi anas, por jemi të ardhun; këtu në këtë vend banonte një popullsi tjetër."
Dardanians were also Latinized by the Romans too, not only the Illyrians from Illyria Proper
In both Illyria and Dardania, there were Latinized Illyrians, as well as Non-Latinized Illyrian rebels, living in the mountains, avoiding Roman rule the best they could
So if these linguists want to argue that Albania has Latin toponyms, and that the Proto-Albanian population couldn't have come from there, then why don't they apply that logic for Dardania? Dardania has plenty of Latin toponyms, so Proto-Albanians couldn't have come from Dardania either?
"This might mean Central Ghegs and Northwest Ghegs possibly have an Illyrian component not present in Tosks and Northeast Ghegs."
This is false, North-East Ghegs have plenty of the J2b2 Illyrian component, Kukes is 48% J2b2, Tropoja is a J2b2 hotspot as well, Gjakove and Prishtine have high J2b2, so North East Ghegs have a significant amount of Illyrian genes. Tosks have J2b2 in Laberia and near the coast, and an Arbereshe was found to be J2b2 as well, so the Illyrian component is found not only in Central and North West Ghegs, but all over Albanian lands. The oldest J2b2 branch, at 3200ybp, also belongs to a Tosk from Korca.
Trying to attribute Illyrian J2b2-Z638 as a purely Romanized, non-Albanoid haplogroup, is jumping to conclusions without enough evidence. We know the Proto-Albanian language was likely formed above the Jiricek Line, where this Illyrian component, happens to be at it's highest frequencies, in Malsi, Kosova, and other Northern Albanians above the Drin River, with hotspots in Mirdite/Mat/Diber, the Arber stronghold. Dukagjin royal family are proven to be J2b2, calling one of the oldest royal Albanian families, non-Albanoid, sounds insane to me. We shouldn't be quick to call J2b2 a Romanized lineage, when it could very well be a non-Romanized lineage. We don't have proof that the Latin toponyms in Albania are from J2b2 people. What if the R1b/J2a/G2 Romans brought these toponyms, to J2b2 Non-Romanized Illyrians?
We need linguists who also are also proficient in genealogy, and Albanian Gheg, to analyze the Albanian language. We may not have much material on what the ancient Balkan people spoke, which gives linguists not much to work with, so their best-guessed assumptions or theories, are just that, and not enough to be conclusive. But we do have solid DNA evidence, which can help conclude the origins of Albanian language.
Indeed. Chances are they didn't. At least those in the Balkans.
Illyrian Iapodian in K13, closer to North Euros than to MENA's
Distance to: I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp 22.35843912 German 26.77410316 Scottish 30.37995885 Danish 32.95071168 Algerian 41.36360840 Russian 43.87628403 Syrian 48.73961941 Lebanese_Druze
Iron Age Thracian in K13, closer to MENA's than NE's.
Distance to: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp 22.59103362 Algerian 33.04508284 Syrian 36.74405938 Lebanese_Druze 40.89445928 German 45.71078866 Scottish 49.24464742 Danish 55.60052068 Russian
Albanians are autosomally better modelled as mainly Iron Age Thracians + obvious Slavic input (Albanians get higher Baltic than Illyrians despite being more Southern and less Steppe in comparison, so certainly this is Slavic derived). Illyrians were North Italian-like. Illyrian autosomal element seems to pop up in calculations involving Ghegs.
Distance to: I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp 5.12415847 French_Provence 5.43453770 Italian_Veneto 5.56891372 Italian_Piedmont 6.91223553 Italian_Friuli 7.23040801 Italian_Liguria 7.50322597 Italian_Trentino 7.63498527 Italian_Lombardy 7.66717679 Italian_Emilia 7.95719800 Italian_Aosta_Valley 8.92562603 Swiss_Italian 9.82746661 Portuguese 9.86850039 Spanish_Extremadura 10.24896092 Italian_Tuscany 10.95161175 Spanish_Galicia 11.07736882 Swiss_French 11.18624602 Austrian_Tyrol 11.19579385 Spanish_Catalonia 11.31314722 Spanish_Murcia 11.36757230 Spanish_Andalusia 11.75111910 Italian_Romagna 11.85622200 Spanish_Castile-León 12.05249767 Spanish_Valencia 12.38313369 Italian_Umbria 12.63928795 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha 12.65749975 French_South
The evidence for a Latinised Illyrian people in North Albania can be found in placenames like:
Kashnjet <- Castanetum
Kallmet <- Calametum
Qerret <- Ceretum
Laç <- Latio
Vinjall <- Vinealis
Etc.
But what happened to these Latin speaking Illyrians?
There are indications that at least some of these Illyrians were assimilated by the Proto-Albanians.
This might mean Central Ghegs and Northwest Ghegs possibly have an Illyrian component not present in Tosks and Northeast Ghegs.
Illyrian in Croatia and Slovenia are not all Illyrians. Of course you know that, but want to keep bullshitting. We still have no Z638 Illyrians.
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Albanians are autosomally better modelled as mainly Iron Age Thracians + obvious Slavic input
Illyrian in Croatia and Slovenia are not all Illyrians. Of course you know that, but want to keep bullshitting. We still have no Z638 Illyrians.
And we went over this. Albanians are still closer to Croatian Iron Age dude, than they are to Bulgarian Iron Age, which they have almost nothing to do with.
The evidence for a Latinised Illyrian people in North Albania can be found in placenames like:
Kashnjet <- Castanetum
Kallmet <- Calametum
Qerret <- Ceretum
Laç <- Latio
Vinjall <- Vinealis
Etc.
But what happened to these Latin speaking Illyrians?
There are indications that at least some of these Illyrians were assimilated by the Proto-Albanians.
This might mean Central Ghegs and Northwest Ghegs possibly have an Illyrian component not present in Tosks and Northeast Ghegs.
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