Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[PaleoRevenge]

Cili është qëllimi i këtyre karllëqeve që poston këtu? Përse duhet që të manipulosh dhe pështysh në historinë tonë? Kërkon ti japësh njëfarë kuptimi jetës tënde të dhjerë?
P.S.
Të fala nga Vincenzo D'Amico.

O lolo, karlliqe je vet. Do te japesh mund kur ske asgje te ofrosh. Karlliqe eshte kur dilni ne televizor dhe deklaroni Shqipja eshte motori i IE, kur flisni per piramidat e Egjiptit dhe Pellazget. Jeni te semur ne mendje. Boll na felliqet, jeni ber turpi Evropes.
Une te ofendoj ti njesoj si ajri paster ofendon kalbesiren. Po ta them trock, problemi nuk eshte qellimi im, problemin e ke mbi vete, se urren te verteten. Kerkon te panduren, do qe njerzit te jen pa sy dhe pa mendje si vetvetja, prandaj acarohesh.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Albanians are descended from Native Illyrians and Dacian or Thracian newcomers.
A good chunk of R1b is also of East Balkanic origin.

How many of the Illyrian R1b's are Z2103?

 

[Pashai Janinës]

O lolo, karlliqe je vet. Do te japesh mund kur ske asgje te ofrosh. Karlliqe eshte kur dilni ne televizor dhe deklaroni Shqipja eshte motori i IE, kur flisni per piramidat e Egjiptit dhe Pellazget. Jeni te semur ne mendje. Boll na felliqet, jeni ber turpi Evropes.
Une te ofendoj ti njesoj si ajri paster ofendon kalbesiren. Po ta them trock, problemi nuk eshte qellimi im, problemin e ke mbi vete, se urren te verteten. Kerkon te panduren, do qe njerzit te jen pa sy dhe pa mendje si vetvetja, prandaj acarohesh.

Më ngatërron me debila të kallëpit tënd. Unë nuk merrem me karllëqe të atij lloji apo të llojit që janë ekskluzivitet i joti. Si ti edhe kategoria që po përshkruan jeni një hall më vete. Unë nuk jap mend. Unë vetëm të kujtoj ty debilave të tjerë që rrinë gjithë ditën në këtë forum se sa budallenj jeni. Do na nxirrni bullgarë tani, alanë? Sa të çmëndur që jeni. Mbeti të diskutohet historia nga rrotat e karit dhe nga fshatarët.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Më ngatërron me debila të kallëpit tënd. Unë nuk merrem me karllëqe të atij lloji apo të llojit që janë ekskluzivitet i joti. Si ti edhe kategoria që po përshkruan jeni një hall më vete. Unë nuk jap mend. Unë vetëm të kujtoj ty debilave të tjerë që rrinë gjithë ditën në këtë forum se sa budallenj jeni. Do na nxirrni bullgarë tani, alanë? Sa të çmëndur që jeni. Mbeti të diskutohet historia nga rrotat e karit dhe nga fshatarët.

Nese nuk kupton, ske mend. Dhe sme plas shum. Intellektualisht, une fshij bythen me surratin tende.

 

[Pashai Janinës]

Nese nuk kupton, ske mend. Dhe sme plas shum. Intellektualisht, une fshij bythen me surratin tende.

Intelektualisht!!!! Ik o loqe mos u merr me gjëra që nuk i kupton. Ik loz ndonjë lojë në internet atë bëj, lëri këto gjëra se nuk janë për ty. Tëmën e sëmës janë mbledhur një tufë me loqe këtu, më shumë se gjysma e antarëve janë shqiptarë. Ik ore hajdarë shkoni punoni. Mbeti shkenca të ju. Gjenetistët e leshit.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Intelektualisht!!!! Ik o loqe mos u merr me gjëra që nuk i kupton. Ik loz ndonjë lojë në internet atë bëj, lëri këto gjëra se nuk janë për ty. Tëmën e sëmës janë mbledhur një tufë me loqe këtu, më shumë se gjysma e antarëve janë shqiptarë. Ik ore hajdarë shkoni punoni. Mbeti shkenca të ju. Gjenetistët e leshit.

O Shkencar, ke mesuar si te hedhesh plera ne kazan, apo akoma e ben mutin ne brek? Si mendon? Aleks Maqedonis hidhte plera ne plazh si ju shkencaret dhe perandor Romak?
Flet shpellari per shkence, kto tema jan abstrakt per ty.

 

[1337_]

I just went through the Albanian data, geography is key. Korca region is Albanian with strong Slavic and some Greek mixture. It entered the Albanian sphere in the late 1300s. Kukes region where lots of these samples are from(the sample site super close to the Kosovo border) did not become an Albanian area until the 1600-1700s period. It was Slavic before and today it is dominated by R1b clans and J2b clans.
All these "medieval" and post-medievial R1b and J2b are from a region that today is R1b and J2b (Kukes). There is even one I2 sample, which is probably assimilated Slav, this region once had strong Slavic presence, still does on the Shar mountains(google Gorani). One of the female samples even clusters with Macedonians.

In Korca we have one J2a(assimilated Greek) and one R1b, Korca is one of the regions with least E-V13 in Albania. Same applies to Kukes, where J2b and R1b are the top lineages.

The only Ottoman sample in central Albania which is R1b has Vlach autosomal DNA, and clusters with Bulgarians and Romanians.

Geography and context matters, don't expect an honest approach from that individual. Mentally un-European, vulgar manners, low IQ.

Prizren and West Kosova was Albanian. Do you have any evidence that Kukes was Slavic until then? Kukes county surely wasnt?

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Prizren and West Kosova was Albanian. Do you have any evidence that Kukes was Slavic until then? Kukes county surely wasnt?

I was wrong about the Kukes corridor, it does not have much Slavic toponyms, but Prizren was dominated by Slavs until it was healed back to native DNA. The former Slavic population still survives in the mountains to the south.

 

[Johane Derite]

Leka (Paulician leader)


Leka (Lekas in Skylitzes Continuatus) was a Paulician leader in the 11th century Byzantine Balkans in the territory of contemporary Bulgaria.
He is mentioned in the History of Michael Attaleiates and in Skylitzes Continuatus partly based on information from Attaleiates. Lekas was a member of the Paulician Christian sect. He lived in Philippopolis (Plovdiv) and was married to a Pecheneg woman.^[1] The Pechenegs north of the Danube in the 11th century had been influenced by Paulician ideas. In alliance with them and the Paulician leader Dobromir (Dobromiros in Skylitzes Continuatus) he launched a revolt in the eastern Balkans in 1078-79 in an attempt to become an independent ruler. In the revolt he killed Michael, bishop of Serdica (Sofia). Dobromir expanded in the region of Mesembria (coastal Bulgaria).^[2] As the new Emperor Nikephoros III Botaneiates organized an army to send against them, they accepted the rule of the emperor and were given many gifts and privileges.
The mention of the Paulician Leka is the first mention of the Albanian name Leka and indicates that this individual may have been an Albanian.^[2] As such, it is the first reference of a medieval Albanian by name by the same author (Attaleiates) who mentions medieval Albanians for the first time in Byzantine literature. The attestation of a Paulician Albanian suggests that Paulicians had become popular among Albanian groups. Toponymy between Sofia and Plovdiv in the 10th and 11th centuries indicates that (Proto-)Albanian populations had migrated from their native lands to the eastern Balkans before the era of Leka.^[3] The next mention of the name Leka is three centuries later in the names of the brothers Leka (ancestor of Lekë Dukagjini) and Pal Dukagjini who held the city of Lezha.^[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leka_(Paulician_leader)#cite_note-FOOTNOTESaldzhiev2019668-3

https://czasopisma.uni.lodz.pl/sceranea/article/view/6744/6334




Hmmmmmmmmm
Hristo's conclusion is backward, because Albanian autochonous cannot be questioned, he thinks an early group of Albanians migrated to western Bulgaria.

Really fascinating find, thanks for this.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Really fascinating find, thanks for this.

It was kind of random. In the Bulgarian-Serbian border zone I was reading the histories of various villages. Some had founders, or early settlers with names like Leka, Kole, Joka (Gjoka?), Buzadzhi, Lale-Lalin. So I was simply googling to see if Leka is a common Bulgarian name and this info showed up.

I find it more interesting that a Bulgarian historian thinks there is Albanian toponyms from 10th-11th century between Plodiv and Sofia. I am sure that's not the case at present. Would be interesting to contact Hristo Saldzhiev and see what these historical toponyms are, were called.

 

[Pashai Janinës]

O Shkencar, ke mesuar si te hedhesh plera ne kazan, apo akoma e ben mutin ne brek? Si mendon? Aleks Maqedonis hidhte plera ne plazh si ju shkencaret dhe perandor Romak?
Flet shpellari per shkence, kto tema jan abstrakt per ty.

Ke marrë dy artikuj të Wikipedia, një në Anglisht dhe tjetrin në Bullgarisht dhe I ke bashkuar në një postim të vetëm pa sqaruar ku fillon njëri dhe ku mbaron tjetri. Ke marrë nga artikujt çfarë ke dashur dhe I ke bashkuar për të ilustruar idetë e tua idiote. Ky quhet falsifikim. Me që përmende plehrat, ke bërë atë gjë që bëjnë lypset në kazanët e plehrave. Çfarë ka për të mos kuptuar? Toponimi që ti e lidh me Muzakët është një toponim aziatik. Citoje studiuesin Italian dhe posto lidhjen se ku e ke marrë fragmentin që ti ke përkthyer nga Bullgarishtja në Anglisht.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Ke marrë dy artikuj të Wikipedia, një në Anglisht dhe tjetrin në Bullgarisht dhe I ke bashkuar në një postim të vetëm pa sqaruar ku fillon njëri dhe ku mbaron tjetri. Ke marrë nga artikujt çfarë ke dashur dhe I ke bashkuar për të ilustruar idetë e tua idiote. Ky quhet falsifikim. Me që përmende plehrat, ke bërë atë gjë që bëjnë lypset në kazanët e plehrave. Çfarë ka për të mos kuptuar? Toponimi që ti e lidh me Muzakët është një toponim aziatik. Citoje studiuesin Italian dhe posto lidhjen se ku e ke marrë fragmentin që ti ke përkthyer nga Bullgarishtja në Anglisht.

It's one article, from Bulgarian wikipedia, nothing in the paragraph has been edited or recombined. It's word for word. Bulgarians as light years ahead as they are of of your village style historians, they still suffer from the famous incompetence that plagues the Balkans. What does not make sense is three different theories squeezed into one paragraph. One explanation talks about the village possibly being from a Turk named Musa, another mentions a 5th century settlement Muzaca near a watch tower by the Via Militaris road. And bizarrely they mentioned Italian Musaccio as being proof of Bulgarian(Turkic) migration to Italy(7th or 8th century event - Bulgars in Lombardy learn something). What is obvious, it is that they are not sure of the origins and threw three different explanations, because they are not sure.

Musaccio though is actually an Arberesh surname that derives from Albanian not Bulgar tribesman. I am relying on a google translator, so maybe I am interpreting the Musaccio part wrong.

 

[Pashai Janinës]

It's one article, from Bulgarian wikipedia, nothing in the paragraph has been edited or recombined. It's word for word. Bulgarians as light years ahead as they are of of your village style historians, they are still suffer from the famous incompetence that plagues the Balkans. What does not make sense is three different theories squeezed into one paragraph. One explanation talks about the village possibly being from a Turk named Musa, another mentions a 5th century settlement Muzaca near a watch tower by the Via Militaris road. And bizarrely they mentioned Italian Musaccio as being proof of Bulgarian(Turkic) migration to Italy(7th or 8th century event - Bulgars in Lombardy learn something). What is obvious, it is that they are not sure of the origins and threw three different explanations, because they are not sure.

Musaccio though is actually an Arberesh surname that derives from Albanian not Bulgar tribesman. I am relying on a google translator, so maybe I am interpreting the Musaccio part wrong.

A e more vesh se sa të vlen lëkura more qurravec? E falsifikove postimin tënd që të citova dhe e shtove. Por mos ki merak se qeni nuk rri dot pa ngrënë mut. Përsëri do falsifikosh dhe do kapesh mat duke postuar budallëqe të tilla.
Fisniku Shqiptar quhet Muzaka. More vesh ore kërriç gomari? Na del edhe ekspert në Bullgarisht dhe pretendon të dish si tingëllojnë toponimet e atij vendi. Të dhjefsha mu në përkthimin me Google. Ik ore koqe, bashkë me këtë budallanë tjetër që të fërkon kokën dhe që i gjeti Shqiptarët në Arvan Valley. Hapi një temë më vete në dy forume dhe pretendonte lidhje që në periudhën e Ilirisë ndërmjet banorëve të Arvan Valley dhe ilirëve. Dhe nuk kishte shans që t'ja mbushje mëndjen se e kishte gabim. Njerëz të shkarë nga trutë e kokës. Budallenj!

 

[PaleoRevenge]

A e more vesh se sa të vlen lëkura more qurravec? E falsifikove postimin tënd që të citova dhe e shtove. Por mos ki merak se qeni nuk rri dot pa ngrënë mut. Përsëri do falsifikosh dhe do kapesh mat duke postuar budallëqe të tilla.
Fisniku Shqiptar quhet Muzaka. More vesh ore kërriç gomari? Na del edhe ekspert në Bullgarisht dhe pretendon të dish si tingëllojnë toponimet e atij vendi. Të dhjefsha mu në përkthimin me Google. Ik ore koqe, bashkë me këtë budallanë tjetër që të fërkon kokën dhe që i gjeti Shqiptarët në Arvan Valley. Hapi një temë më vete në dy forume dhe pretendonte lidhje që në periudhën e Ilirisë ndërmjet banorëve të Arvan Valley dhe ilirëve. Dhe nuk kishte shans që t'ja mbushje mëndjen se e kishte gabim. Njerëz të shkarë nga trutë e kokës. Budallenj!

Where you retard, show it where. There is no edit you moron.

 

[Pashai Janinës]

Where you retard, show it where. There is no edit you moron.

Ti ende nuk e ke postuar lidhjen me artikullin përkatës. Je i detyruar që ta postosh, është rregull bazë i një debati. Postoje në mënyrë që njerëzit të shohin se si ti merr një artikull Wiki në Bullgarisht, e përkthen atë me Google në Anglisht dhe pretendon në këtë mënyrë të shkruash Historinë e Shqipërisë!!!!!! E kupton se çfarë hajdari je? Më keq se ata tipat që merren me Thot e të tilla budallëqe. Kuptohet që këtë e shoqëron me redaktimet e duhura, hiq këtej dhe shto andej. Ik o trap dhe mos më harxho kohën kot. Ti pas 5 minutash përsëri do biesh brenda me budallëqe që thua. Ik loz Play Station sepse familjen nuk ke mëndje që ta ndihmoshë.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Ti ende nuk e ke postuar lidhjen me artikullin përkatës. Je i detyruar që ta postosh, është rregull bazë i një debati. Postoje në mënyrë që njerëzit të shohin se si ti merr një artikull Wiki në Bullgarisht, e përkthen atë me Google në Anglisht dhe pretendon në këtë mënyrë të shkruash Historinë e Shqipërisë!!!!!! E kupton se çfarë hajdari je? Më keq se ata tipat që merren me Thot e të tilla budallëqe. Kuptohet që këtë e shoqëron me redaktimet e duhura, hiq këtej dhe shto andej. Ik o trap dhe mos më harxho kohën kot. Ti pas 5 minutash përsëri do biesh brenda me budallëqe që thua. Ik loz Play Station sepse familjen nuk ke mëndje që ta ndihmoshë.

There is hyperlinks on the quote, that would direct you to the original article. I don't have to do anything for you.

 

[torzio]

I think we can also tell from my posts that I have always been very thrilled with each paper that had J2b-L283 Illyrian samples. Meanwhile that person was protesting and still does, always belittling the J2b-L283 data. So his claim does not affect me at all, since it is not true. I like to keep discussions and threads sane and civil but whenever I post new J2b-L283 results it is always the same user(s) that get a temper tanrum and attack me even though I never engaged in a discussion with them. Also, funny I see that guy screaming on all threads and fora Illyrians are R1b-L2 . As I have said I won't give them (him) any further attention.

Agreed with what you've written here.

I agree and seen that there are many R-L2 illyrian and Venetic samples ................the illyrians are north croatia and soulthern slovenia .............they sit in a triangle from Rijeka-Brestova Draga-Trava

 

[torzio]

The Encheleans originate in Budva ( Montenegro ) part of the "proper illyrians " ....before fleeing to lake Ohrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ile:Illyrians_in_the_7th-4th_centuries_BC.png
Cadmus was their king in Budva
The name Sesarethii was used by Strabo as an alternative name for the Enchelei
Mentioned in Budva from 800 to 600BC ...............I assume they fled to Lake Ohrid after this period

 

[PaleoRevenge]

The Kukes samples are mostly from the Kukes corridor(where the white Drin river passes). It is also a location that had Komani(Latinised Illyrians) culture sites. The area did not experience Slavic intrusion. And the Ottoman era samples cluster closer to Illyrians than modern Albanians.

 

[Excine]

G25 Ancient Albania to CE samples scaled

1) I13833; ca. 1400-1800 CE; Barç, Korçë; J2a-Y18824 | I13833,0.086506,0.054839,-0.071653,0.020995,-0.023389,0.017012,0.002585,-0.003,0.007158,0.018953,0.002111,0.005695,0.004757 ,0.007294,-0.015744,-0.016043,0.002086,0.003927,0.007668,-0.001376,-0.006613,0.00643,0.005546,0.00012,0.00467

2) 2) I14688; ca. 600-400 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; R1b-L51 | I14688,0.122929,0.161469,0.02489,-0.028101,0.028005,-0.015618,0.004935,0.001846,0.000409,0.019499,-0.000974,0.01139,-0.016799,-0.004266,-0.006786,-0.016441,-0.009518,0.004054,0.005028,-0.007253,-0.013601,0.009398,-0.005176,0.011086,-0.007065

3) I14690; ca. 1700-400 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; R1b-CTS1450 | I14690,0.125205,0.149283,0.034318,-0.00646,0.029544,-0.005857,-0.001175,0.004846,-0.00225,0.019681,0.001461,0.002698,-0.020069,-0.006468,-0.003122,0.002121,0.001825,0.003167,0.002011,-0.002501,-0.007861,0.003462,0.005423,-0.004217,-0.005269

4) I16251; ca. 500-50 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; R1b-M269 | I16251,0.124067,0.144205,0.018102,-0.019703,0.025851,-0.003347,0.002115,0.008077,0.000205,0.022233,-0.000974,0.005095,-0.017096,-0.017753,-0.013301,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.003294,0.010182,-0.013006,-0.000125,0.005441,-0.007148,-0.001687,-0.004431

5) I16253; ca.658-403 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; J2b-Y21878 | I16253,0.130897,0.156392,0.034318,-0.010982,0.035083,-0.000279,0.002115,0.001846,0.0045,0.029158,0.00893 1,0.015436,-0.024083,-0.001927,-0.012893,0.000796,0.012647,0.008361,0.011816,-0.009505,-0.011355,-0.002349,-0.003944,0.008917,-0.007185

6) I16254; ca. 600-400 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; J2b-Z622 | I16254,0.120652,0.157407,0.039598,-0.006137,0.031698,-0.011992,0.00705,-0.014076,-0.011044,0.033896,-0.002761,0.001349,-0.018137,-0.005918,-0.010586,-0.007558,0.021774,0.00076,-0.009176,-0.013256,-0.006988,-0.003215,-0.010846,0.01446,-0.008382

7) I17633; ca. 700-400 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; J2b-Z593 | (Can’t find sample ID for G25?)

8) I14689; ca. 2663-2472 BCE; Çinamak, Kukës; R1b-M269 | I14689,0.121791,0.117801,0.034695,0.045866,-0.006463,0.014781,0.009165,-0.000923,-0.027815,-0.01549,-0.003085,0,-0.008771,0.005367,0.013572,-0.011933,-0.012778,0.004181,0.006536,-0.01013,-0.003743,-0.005935,0.017008,0.013014,-0.011496

9) I8471; ca. 1880-1695 BCE; Shkrel, Malësi e Madhe; J2b-Z597 | I8471,0.124067,0.144205,0.017725,0.000323,0.03416,-0.019801,0.00564,-0.012461,0.011658,0.034078,0.003248,0.004346,-0.005352,-0.022432,-0.008822,0.004243,0.026989,-0.007475,0.001885,0.006128,-0.000873,0.006059,0.007765,0.010724,0.008143

10) I13834; ca. 1402-1439 CE; Barç, Korçë; R1b-PF7563 | 14:I13834,0.12862,0.145221,0.01961,-0.01292,0.012925,-0.007809,-0.00141,-0.006461,0.002863,0.025878,-0.000325,0.006145,-0.022002,-0.004266,-0.012486,-0.009546,0.003912,0.003421,0.008045,-0.013131,-0.010107,0.006059,-0.004437,-0.000602,-0.004191

11) I14622; ca. 773-885 CE; Kënetë, Kukës; T-FGC47678 | 16:I14622,0.111547,0.15436,0.013953,-0.033592,0.016003,-0.001673,-0.001645,-0.001385,-0.001227,0.016037,0.006008,0.005845,-0.005946,0.00234,-0.013436,-0.013259,0.015255,-0.007728,0.009302,-0.012381,-0.015348,0.006801,-0.005669,-0.00735,-0.005389

12) I13838; ca. 5000-3500 BCE; Tren Cave, Korçë; G-P303 | I13838,0.122929,0.18178,0.004903,-0.101745,0.04647,-0.049364,-0.001645,-0.002308,0.032519,0.080366,0.012666,0.015286,-0.02438,0.004129,-0.039359,-0.021347,0.002999,-0.00114,0.00993,-0.016133,-0.005615,0.005812,-0.000616,-0.001807,-0.010538

13) I13840; ca. 4313-4051 BCE; Tren Cave, Korçë; G-F2572 | I13840,0.125205,0.187873,0.003394,-0.101745,0.044008,-0.04518,-0.00517,-0.003692,0.043155,0.081095,0.005034,0.007643,-0.022745,-0.002477,-0.04058,-0.013259,0.012647,0.00228,0.007793,-0.02076,-0.015348,0.006059,-0.005793,0.000482,-0.005269

14) I14686; ca. 1400-1700 CE; Bardhoc, Kukës; I2a-Y4884 | I14686,0.114961,0.152329,0.006034,-0.027778,0.024004,-0.007809,-0.00235,0.004846,-0.002863,0.022415,-0.001461,0.013938,-0.011744,0.005367,-0.028773,0.001591,0.013299,0.00114,0.009176,-0.007754,-0.009858,0.008161,0.000739,0.005061,-0.00467

15) I14687; ca. 1400-1700 CE; Bardhoc, Kukës; R1b-CTS1450 | I14687,0.119514,0.155376,0.002263,-0.020995,0.032006,-0.008925,-0.002585,0.007384,0.004704,0.0277,0.00682,0.003897 ,-0.013231,-0.002752,-0.021851,0.005701,0.027511,0.005448,-0.000251,-0.008504,-0.018467,0.008656,0.006162,0.004579,-0.019639

16) I15706; ca. 1527-1660 CE; Pazhok, Elbasan; R1a-Y81700 | 24:I15706,0.1161,0.144205,0.018856,-0.013566,0.022773,-0.006693,-0.003995,0.002769,0.004909,0.005832,0.003248,0.001 349,-0.001784,0.009634,-0.014794,-0.001458,-0.000652,0.00152,0.000377,-0.003001,-0.006239,-0.002968,0.001725,-0.004579,-0.001078

17) I15707; ca. 1472-1632 CE; Bardhoc, Kukës; J2b-Z631 | I15707,0.126344,0.153345,0.020365,-0.026809,0.028928,-0.01506,0.01081,-0.006,0.00225,0.025149,-0.001786,0.005995,-0.019029,-0.004817,-0.019001,-0.000265,0.028554,0.001267,0.011313,-0.004502,-0.017594,0.004699,0.001356,0.00241,0.001796