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the Ancient Greek colonists were spread in S Italy and Sikelia,
they made their circle, and in some areas 'resist' and kept alive and in some not,
Roides mention about gathering the Greeks of Sicily and send them to Scythopolis to execute them,
Yet I believe that some 'pockets kept their language,
but after that many devastations happened through centuries,
I wrote a post about the waves and the reasons,
Many of what today apeak Grico Grecanica etc are not from antique, but from medieval devastations,
for example it is Certified that Galliciano are from today Κιλκις the Roman Callicum, Notice Gallicos river, Γαλλικος Not Εχεδωρος,
and moved there the era of Slavic expand to Balkans, and has nothing to do with Ancient Magna Grecia,
Yet the ancient Greek should be spoken in some pockets until the Normand occupation for me,
But major Greek were lost after Mediolanum treaty, ancient Greeks had a kind of holocaust after that.
yet due to the spread and those who convert to christianity the DNA remains.
So for those who know the history it is not surprising that many of the Grico are not ancient,
Until 1800 villages from Greeks moved to Italy and rest Europe silently.
The eras and the reasons
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...a-respectively?p=574082&viewfull=1#post574082
to understand
Notice the song,
Ti en glicea tusi nifta, ti en òria,
c’evò ‘e plonno pensèonta ‘s esena,
c’ettumpì sti’ fenèstrassu, agàpimu,
tis kardìammu su nifto ti’ pena.
Evò panta ‘s esena penseo,
jatì ‘sena, fsichimmu gapò,
ce pu pao, pu sirno, pu steo,
it says penseontas which is Italian Pense and Greek ending of grammatical participle -ωντας, it means not usage of ancient νοω, neither modern σκεφτομαι
also notice
glicea tusi nifta, glykea toytth nyhta
γλυκεα τουτη Νυχτα,
Ending -ea -εα is far old, back to antique, if was modern it should be γλυκια -ia
BUT
ce pu pao, pu sirno, pu steo,
και που παω που σερνω που στεω
we see usage of που ιnstead of οθεν
and ιστημι as στεω (strange active voice usage, passive is ισταμαι)
which is modern στε-κομαι.
that means that this dialect was close to Koine evolution, had communication, or come from centuries much after collapse of Hellenistic kingdoms
and also that comes from older ones ending -ea,
but is so many years in Italy, that did not replace νοω with σκεπτομαι but with Italian pense.
which means that either was alive and big center of commerce and studies, which is not
or is created after christianity stabilization, I don't know exactly when, I guess much much later,
or newcomers found a substractum of ancient Greek and create the dialect, which member Salento excludes it.
BTW a Joke
when few months ago was in Crete, accomodated by local native friends,
there was an Italian pasta maestro, fresh macaroni, handmade, etc
He is from somewhere central Italy,
he was well known to my friends so to tease him and make jokes,
every time they ask him the same question, due to history of island,
'hey, Do you want, to take back Crete? or would n't be nice, to take back Crete?
and the answer was so smart and so simple
'To do it what? we have an island bigger than yours, and our South is more Greek than you are'
:grin: :grin: :grin:
they made their circle, and in some areas 'resist' and kept alive and in some not,
Roides mention about gathering the Greeks of Sicily and send them to Scythopolis to execute them,
Yet I believe that some 'pockets kept their language,
but after that many devastations happened through centuries,
I wrote a post about the waves and the reasons,
Many of what today apeak Grico Grecanica etc are not from antique, but from medieval devastations,
for example it is Certified that Galliciano are from today Κιλκις the Roman Callicum, Notice Gallicos river, Γαλλικος Not Εχεδωρος,
and moved there the era of Slavic expand to Balkans, and has nothing to do with Ancient Magna Grecia,
Yet the ancient Greek should be spoken in some pockets until the Normand occupation for me,
But major Greek were lost after Mediolanum treaty, ancient Greeks had a kind of holocaust after that.
yet due to the spread and those who convert to christianity the DNA remains.
So for those who know the history it is not surprising that many of the Grico are not ancient,
Until 1800 villages from Greeks moved to Italy and rest Europe silently.
The eras and the reasons
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...a-respectively?p=574082&viewfull=1#post574082
to understand
Notice the song,
Ti en glicea tusi nifta, ti en òria,
c’evò ‘e plonno pensèonta ‘s esena,
c’ettumpì sti’ fenèstrassu, agàpimu,
tis kardìammu su nifto ti’ pena.
Evò panta ‘s esena penseo,
jatì ‘sena, fsichimmu gapò,
ce pu pao, pu sirno, pu steo,
it says penseontas which is Italian Pense and Greek ending of grammatical participle -ωντας, it means not usage of ancient νοω, neither modern σκεφτομαι
also notice
glicea tusi nifta, glykea toytth nyhta
γλυκεα τουτη Νυχτα,
Ending -ea -εα is far old, back to antique, if was modern it should be γλυκια -ia
BUT
ce pu pao, pu sirno, pu steo,
και που παω που σερνω που στεω
we see usage of που ιnstead of οθεν
and ιστημι as στεω (strange active voice usage, passive is ισταμαι)
which is modern στε-κομαι.
that means that this dialect was close to Koine evolution, had communication, or come from centuries much after collapse of Hellenistic kingdoms
and also that comes from older ones ending -ea,
but is so many years in Italy, that did not replace νοω with σκεπτομαι but with Italian pense.
which means that either was alive and big center of commerce and studies, which is not
or is created after christianity stabilization, I don't know exactly when, I guess much much later,
or newcomers found a substractum of ancient Greek and create the dialect, which member Salento excludes it.
BTW a Joke
when few months ago was in Crete, accomodated by local native friends,
there was an Italian pasta maestro, fresh macaroni, handmade, etc
He is from somewhere central Italy,
he was well known to my friends so to tease him and make jokes,
every time they ask him the same question, due to history of island,
'hey, Do you want, to take back Crete? or would n't be nice, to take back Crete?
and the answer was so smart and so simple
'To do it what? we have an island bigger than yours, and our South is more Greek than you are'
:grin: :grin: :grin: