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j2b dude MOK15 was uploaded to yfull
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/
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j2b dude MOK15 was uploaded to yfull
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/
But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
Davidski leaked this:
Davidski leaked this:
yes
i now saw that would be cool :cool-v:
A said...Is this the Greek paper you mentioned a while ago, or is there another one coming out?
May 14, 2021 at 4:19 AM
Davidski said...There's at least one more paper coming soon about Greece or the Balkans and Greece, with samples from the Iron Age, Classical period, Middle Ages, etc.
Davidski said...Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.
This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.
But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
Davidski leaked this: But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
Davidski said...Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.
This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.
But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
It would be for the umpteenth time the discovery of hot water. It is obvious that a civilization such as the Greek one, which was able to expand and cover a territory that went from Anatolia to North Africa and the Spanish and French coasts, was genetically a non-homogenous population.
The typical error of these amateur bloggers passionate about genetics, who some users, with great naivety, consider professionals, is that they lack the most basic historical and archaeological knowledge. Even geneticists have often insufficient historical, archaeological, linguistic and anthropological knowledge, let alone amateur bloggers.
Davidski is saying this because of the presumed Slavic migration story in Greece. He is angry at geneticists who don't give a damn about this story, as if the whole world should revolve around the Slavs.
When people stop being interested in ancient history only because of personal issues concerning their own identity, it will always be too late.
MOK9B,0,0,0.03,0,34.91,41.38,0.62,2.15,1.33,0.59,18.99,0
MOK10B,2.9,0,0,0.12,37.97,30.7,0.07,0,11.34,0.29,15.86,0.75
MOK12,0,0.78,3.05,0,39.46,34.27,0,0.04,2.67,0,19.64,0.09
MOK13,1.81,0,0.45,0,39.16,29.14,0.85,0.01,5.53,0,22.58,0.47
MOK14,3.79,0.7,3.3,0,37.97,33.85,0,0,3.07,0,17.16,0.14
MOK15,2.94,0,1.57,0,38.53,35.15,0,0.09,6.33,0,14.98,0.4
MOK16A,2.09,0,1.51,0,37.51,41.07,0.71,0,2.36,0,14.46,0.29
MOK17A,3.36,0,1.65,0.31,36.89,19.28,1.59,1.28,7.87,0,27.77,0
MOK18A,0.01,0,2.97,0.74,38.6,30.24,0.64,0,3.08,0,22.3,1.42
MOK19A,0.17,0,1.55,0.73,35.22,44.82,0,0,2.14,0.06,14.62,0.7
MOK20,2.95,0,0.82,0,37.08,34.18,1.15,0,5.41,0,17.71,0.69
MOK21A,0,0,1.45,0,36.38,48.33,0,0,0.16,0,13.07,0.62
MOK22,0,0,0.53,0.94,37.66,49.11,1.45,0,1.9,0,7.81,0.59
MOK23,0.85,0.55,1.15,0.04,34.58,49.86,0.04,0,3.16,0.31,8.53,0.93
MOK24A,1.88,0,0.88,0,38.46,36.91,2.31,0,5.47,0,13.82,0.28
MOK25A,1.39,0.43,0,0.14,40.33,37,0,0,4.04,0.55,15.22,0.89
MOK26A,3.08,0,0.41,1.87,40.71,29.78,0,0,6.35,0,17.22,0.58
MOK27,0,1.05,0,0.13,38.38,32.27,0.34,0,7.32,0,20.51,0
MOK28A,1,0.03,1.17,0.51,36.23,45.39,0,0,3.48,0,11.31,0.87
MOK29A,5.26,0.6,1.21,0,41.01,30.6,0.03,0,2.48,0,18.66,0.15
MOK30,4.32,0,0.09,0,39.17,45.76,0.3,0,2.73,0.6,6.03,0.99
MOK31,0.37,1.72,1.69,0,38.81,24.37,0,0,7.79,0,24.86,0.4
MOK32,3.91,0,2.12,0,35.47,33.15,0,0,7.66,0,17.19,0.5
MOK33,18.53,3.96,0,2.64,43.61,26.92,0,0,4.35,0,0,0
Distance to: | Jovialis |
---|---|
10.74864643 | MOK17A |
16.31440774 | MOK31 |
19.85563900 | MOK13 |
21.57664015 | MOK18A |
22.90904625 | MOK27 |
22.99284236 | MOK32 |
23.45421071 | MOK26A |
23.51066992 | MOK29A |
23.51083580 | MOK10B |
24.50256109 | MOK20 |
25.09657347 | MOK14 |
25.75641668 | MOK12 |
27.03900701 | MOK15 |
29.38907110 | MOK24A |
29.64236327 | MOK25A |
30.56213343 | MOK9B |
32.11255206 | MOK16A |
34.90534486 | MOK19A |
36.82939994 | MOK28A |
38.20334409 | MOK33 |
39.12751078 | MOK21A |
40.56357110 | MOK30 |
41.65608479 | MOK23 |
42.42588243 | MOK22 |
Distance to: | Dodecadk12bStuvanè |
---|---|
7.10973980 | MOK17A |
7.13288862 | MOK31 |
9.34752374 | MOK13 |
11.53205966 | MOK18A |
11.84456838 | MOK27 |
12.36716621 | MOK32 |
12.84523258 | MOK10B |
12.89133042 | MOK26A |
13.68285789 | MOK29A |
13.76925924 | MOK20 |
14.79943918 | MOK14 |
15.25246210 | MOK12 |
16.21934956 | MOK15 |
18.60279280 | MOK24A |
18.79096858 | MOK25A |
20.63358427 | MOK9B |
21.68185416 | MOK16A |
24.69359634 | MOK19A |
26.41023097 | MOK28A |
28.97581578 | MOK21A |
30.24503430 | MOK30 |
31.47546981 | MOK23 |
31.62416955 | MOK33 |
31.96579891 | MOK22 |
Distance to: | PalermoTrapani_Combined |
---|---|
11.44593378 | MOK17A |
17.42200620 | MOK31 |
22.03547140 | MOK13 |
23.86057837 | MOK18A |
24.96407018 | MOK27 |
24.99093035 | MOK10B |
25.23786045 | MOK26A |
25.45299982 | MOK32 |
26.03796075 | MOK29A |
27.12167583 | MOK20 |
27.80877200 | MOK14 |
28.22450354 | MOK12 |
29.35501150 | MOK15 |
31.76865908 | MOK24A |
32.08000779 | MOK25A |
33.79543164 | MOK9B |
35.05058915 | MOK16A |
37.97799494 | MOK19A |
39.70144204 | MOK28A |
39.71255343 | MOK33 |
42.30256612 | MOK21A |
43.32400836 | MOK30 |
44.63727590 | MOK23 |
45.25635535 | MOK22 |
Before the Slavs were the Celts and the Goths, the Vandals and the Avars. Get in line, Slavs! Before those invaders there was all the migration of artisans to Athens and other thriving Greek cities from all over the Med. Even before that all the pockets of surviving Pelasgians (EEFs). Yep there was a lot of admixture.It would be for the umpteenth time the discovery of hot water. It is obvious that a civilization such as the Greek one, which was able to expand and cover a territory that went from Anatolia to North Africa and the Spanish and French coasts, was genetically a non-homogenous population.
The typical error of these amateur bloggers passionate about genetics, who some users, with great naivety, consider professionals, is that they lack the most basic historical and archaeological knowledge. Even geneticists have often insufficient historical, archaeological, linguistic and anthropological knowledge, let alone amateur bloggers.
Davidski is saying this because of the presumed Slavic migration story in Greece. He is angry at geneticists who don't give a damn about this story, as if the whole world should revolve around the Slavs.
When people stop being interested in ancient history only because of personal issues concerning their own identity, it will always be too late.
Distance to: | Torziok12b |
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6.67385945 | MOK13 |
7.29586184 | MOK32 |
7.53574150 | MOK29A |
7.87324584 | MOK26A |
8.30419773 | MOK20 |
8.79490762 | MOK14 |
8.84277106 | MOK18A |
8.90372956 | MOK27 |
9.18165562 | MOK10B |
9.36960511 | MOK31 |
10.54345769 | MOK15 |
10.92896152 | MOK12 |
11.97106512 | MOK17A |
12.97427069 | MOK24A |
13.20777423 | MOK25A |
15.97026612 | MOK16A |
16.24850147 | MOK9B |
19.69233099 | MOK19A |
20.98221866 | MOK28A |
23.70530109 | MOK21A |
23.91177325 | MOK30 |
25.72246295 | MOK33 |
26.11773727 | MOK23 |
26.31809454 | MOK22 |
Distance to: | Torziok12b |
---|---|
3.72852309 | 35.60% MOK17A + 64.40% MOK32 |
4.04195166 | 67.60% MOK17A + 32.40% MOK30 |
4.25372434 | 59.20% MOK14 + 40.80% MOK17A |
4.34019108 | 38.80% MOK17A + 61.20% MOK20 |
4.51732965 | 53.80% MOK15 + 46.20% MOK17A |
4.74925299 | 70.00% MOK17A + 30.00% MOK23 |
4.78553473 | 41.80% MOK16A + 58.20% MOK17A |
4.85535097 | 65.20% MOK17A + 34.80% MOK28A |
5.08207860 | 52.40% MOK17A + 47.60% MOK24A |
5.15947700 | 33.80% MOK17A + 66.20% MOK29A |
5.17663295 | 70.60% MOK17A + 29.40% MOK22 |
5.28975067 | 39.40% MOK31 + 60.60% MOK32 |
5.43340976 | 64.00% MOK17A + 36.00% MOK19A |
5.46173407 | 86.80% MOK13 + 13.20% MOK33 |
5.48872104 | 68.40% MOK17A + 31.60% MOK21A |
5.55140447 | 56.20% MOK13 + 43.80% MOK32 |
5.55700743 | 53.00% MOK17A + 47.00% MOK25A |
5.84829498 | 33.60% MOK17A + 66.40% MOK26A |
5.96149832 | 52.80% MOK14 + 47.20% MOK31 |
5.99147593 | 55.60% MOK20 + 44.40% MOK31 |
6.04822978 | 61.40% MOK29A + 38.60% MOK31 |
6.12986656 | 60.00% MOK10B + 40.00% MOK17A |
6.13453409 | 47.40% MOK29A + 52.60% MOK32 |
6.20750626 | 26.60% MOK10B + 73.40% MOK13 |
6.23290019 | 64.00% MOK13 + 36.00% MOK29A |
MOK9B,0,0.47,0.33,0,4.84,0,37.24,0,2,5.45,48.53,0,1.14
MOK10B,0,0.61,0.78,0,11.69,0,38.83,0,0,6.1,40.76,0.76,0.46
MOK12,0,0,0.12,0,6.11,0,42.05,1.47,0.31,6.54,43.01,0,0.41
MOK13,0,0.39,0.75,0,8.05,0,42.3,0.49,0.69,9.68,37.64,0,0
MOK14,0,0.78,0.52,0.54,6.68,0,38.85,0.57,0,9.6,42.46,0,0
MOK15,0,0.11,0.75,0,7.98,0,38.74,0.65,0.1,7.08,44.37,0,0.22
MOK16A,0,0,0.21,0.45,5.15,0,37.78,0.74,0,5.83,49.77,0.09,0
MOK17A,0.13,0,0,1.41,12.09,0.89,43.6,0.87,0.53,16.55,23.43,0.17,0.35
MOK18A,0,0,1.38,0.14,8.32,1.24,41.86,0.89,0,7.43,38.72,0,0
MOK19A,0,1,0.82,0,6.86,0.43,35.32,0.58,0,2.76,52.21,0,0.02
MOK20,0,0,0.96,0,8.75,0,37.91,0.36,0.39,8.35,42.92,0.35,0
MOK21A,0,1.63,0.86,0,4.08,0,35.55,0,0,1.48,56.4,0,0
MOK22,0,0.25,0.89,0,5.24,1.53,33.36,0.33,0,0,58.39,0,0
MOK23,0.51,1.24,0.67,0,4.69,0.13,32.78,0,0,0.78,59.21,0,0
MOK24A,0.51,0,0.9,0,7.87,0,38.15,0,0,5.05,46.37,1.15,0
MOK25A,0.95,0,0.38,0.45,7.53,0.5,37.87,0.01,0,6.18,46.14,0,0
MOK26A,0.29,0,0.69,0,8.55,1.05,40,0,0,9.88,39.55,0,0
MOK27,1.35,0.54,0.55,0,9.46,0,39.96,0.45,0,6.07,41.44,0,0.18
MOK28A,0.24,0.46,1.07,0.01,6.34,0,34.92,0.75,0,2.13,54.07,0,0
MOK29A,0.33,0,0.55,0,4.94,0,41.88,0.25,0.5,10.9,40.65,0,0
MOK30,1.13,0.05,1.28,0.16,2.32,0,34.92,0.31,0,4.13,54.93,0.77,0
MOK31,0,0.05,0.73,0,10.74,0,43.52,2.31,0,10.52,32.14,0,0
MOK32,0,1.54,0.4,0.24,12.08,0,36.08,0,0.1,6.19,43.38,0,0
MOK33,0,0,0,1.09,3.87,0,30.33,0,6.81,9.07,48.83,0,0
Distance to: | Jovialis |
---|---|
9.13749419 | MOK17A |
17.67078097 | MOK31 |
22.07027186 | MOK13 |
22.96831513 | MOK26A |
24.19065935 | MOK18A |
24.60202431 | MOK29A |
25.60164253 | MOK10B |
25.83504596 | MOK14 |
26.36555897 | MOK20 |
26.52408340 | MOK27 |
27.58360201 | MOK32 |
28.39128387 | MOK15 |
28.40546778 | MOK12 |
30.41982413 | MOK25A |
31.18597762 | MOK24A |
33.42938827 | MOK9B |
33.78767231 | MOK33 |
34.11848473 | MOK16A |
37.44198980 | MOK19A |
39.43855347 | MOK28A |
40.17974863 | MOK30 |
42.13969388 | MOK21A |
44.49260500 | MOK22 |
44.92748713 | MOK23 |
I think it's the opposite. Some Slavic-like R1a was already present, while Slavic I2a was practically zero percent.The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant percentage of their ancestry.
Interesting that I2a1 was already there; came to the area way before the Slavs, apparently, yes?
More steppe than in Bronze Age Italy and certainly than in Bronze Age Greece. Easier access I suppose.
Certainly no R1a yet, so perhaps only arrived with Slavs.
I think it's the opposite. Some Slavic-like R1a was already present, while Slavic I2a was practically zero percent.
It's interesting they lack E-V13, while late antiquity was full of it, and so were the Thracians. Could the E-V13 carriers caused a south-eastern shift?
We noticed that IA Thracian samples shared most genetic drift with Neolithic and especially chalcolithic Balkan samples; they however did not
show continuity with the preceding Copper and Bronze age samples from
Bulgaria, which is puzzling.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.02.446576v1
Distance to: | Duarte |
---|---|
11.41465286 | MOK26A |
11.85893334 | MOK29A |
13.71989431 | MOK14 |
14.37556608 | MOK18A |
14.40763339 | MOK10B |
14.51881882 | MOK13 |
14.84355079 | MOK15 |
14.87050436 | MOK32 |
15.19026662 | MOK20 |
15.63879791 | MOK31 |
15.65147597 | MOK12 |
16.27092192 | MOK27 |
16.59652373 | MOK25A |
16.68498726 | MOK24A |
18.15247366 | MOK17A |
20.15258048 | MOK16A |
20.68951425 | MOK33 |
22.80255907 | MOK9B |
24.37376869 | MOK19A |
24.45839324 | MOK28A |
25.04026358 | MOK30 |
27.50002909 | MOK21A |
28.45475004 | MOK22 |
29.31282484 | MOK23 |
Distance to: | Duarte |
---|---|
8.75957231 | 62.20% MOK18A + 37.80% MOK33 |
8.76850845 | 59.20% MOK31 + 40.80% MOK33 |
9.50581125 | 54.40% MOK17A + 45.60% MOK33 |
9.77410889 | 63.00% MOK13 + 37.00% MOK33 |
9.86483447 | 76.00% MOK26A + 24.00% MOK33 |
10.29639858 | 75.40% MOK29A + 24.60% MOK33 |
10.90973430 | 61.00% MOK12 + 39.00% MOK33 |
11.29476280 | 59.60% MOK27 + 40.40% MOK33 |
11.29917487 | 69.00% MOK26A + 31.00% MOK29A |
11.31295289 | 9.60% MOK17A + 90.40% MOK26A |
11.38379609 | 69.20% MOK14 + 30.80% MOK33 |
11.62343608 | 14.40% MOK17A + 85.60% MOK29A |
11.72240240 | 17.60% MOK10B + 82.40% MOK29A |
11.78009781 | 88.20% MOK29A + 11.80% MOK31 |
12.02661288 | 68.00% MOK10B + 32.00% MOK33 |
12.04271102 | 65.80% MOK32 + 34.20% MOK33 |
12.06443484 | 64.60% MOK20 + 35.40% MOK33 |
12.47802453 | 69.80% MOK14 + 30.20% MOK17A |
12.51590784 | 62.20% MOK17A + 37.80% MOK30 |
12.58441893 | 67.60% MOK15 + 32.40% MOK33 |
12.71559827 | 62.80% MOK15 + 37.20% MOK17A |
12.85642720 | 65.00% MOK14 + 35.00% MOK31 |
13.15300526 | 45.00% MOK17A + 55.00% MOK24A |
13.17291788 | 44.80% MOK17A + 55.20% MOK25A |
13.18084850 | 39.60% MOK10B + 60.40% MOK14 |
Target: Duarte Distance: 8.1806% / 8.18059376 |
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39.2 | MOK18A |
38.3 | MOK33 |
22.5 | MOK17A |
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