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Where is e-v13 in the generall pictureThis makes sense, Log02 and Log04 were probably Proto-Greek while those Cycladic were what Herodotus labelled the Pre-Greek people as Pelasgian.
It's very odd. I'm assuming that's based on coordinates from the paper. It would be helpful if someone would provide them because I can't find an archaeological site named Logkas anywhere in Macedonia.
The closest I come is Logas in northern Corfu where there is indeed a Middle Bronze Age site.
Maybe it's a very new site and so isn't yet on any list of archaeological sites in Macedonia. What I did find is the arrival of Mycenaean artifacts in the Late Bronze Age, perhaps indicating influence from the south.
https://archeorient.hypotheses.org/11282
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0006:entry=kerkyra
Distance to: | TorzioK13 |
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4.01337763 | R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity |
4.43023701 | I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp |
5.30078296 | R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy .................Liburnian |
5.70971103 | I5524_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp |
5.75789892 | R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy |
6.02713033 | NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp |
6.53943423 | STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp |
6.89267002 | I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp ............................Dalmatian |
6.93354166 | I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp ...............................Dalmatian |
7.14688044 | R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy |
7.21058250 | I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp ..............................Dalmatian |
7.21271793 | CL36_longobard_north_italy |
7.38786843 | RISE483_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3700_ybp |
7.53441438 | SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp |
7.58433913 | R1221_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy |
7.62021653 | DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp |
7.67914709 | I5759_Switzerland_Bell_Beaker_4178_ybp |
7.70903366 | SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp |
7.71743481 | CL49_longobard_north_italy |
7.97612688 | col001_col001_ |
8.04037934 | E09538_Germany_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4288_ybp |
8.11592262 | R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy |
8.23627950 | Greece_MBA_Log04 |
8.23907155 | I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp |
8.27548790 | I7040_Hungary_BA_4300_ybp |
Maybe this, Loggas rather than Logkas
"An extensive Mycenaean cemetery with 31 undisturbed burials containing numerous items of jewellery and several different types of ceramic vases, including 12 ornate Mycenaean drinking cups or kylikes, has been unearthed by Greek archaeologists at the Loggas site near Elati in Kozani (Macedonia), a short distance from ancient Aiani."
https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/03/31-intact-burials-unearthed-in-large.html
Stop the presses everyone, the academic authority of ifunny.co has determined that Proto-Greeks have been found by quasi-neo nazi meme fatwa...
In fact, it is one of the only search items which appear to say so.
Seriously, though.
We need to see the paper, and know about the archeological context.
Some kind of meme website, it seems.who/what is ifunny?
Stop the presses everyone, the academic authority of ifunny.co has determined that Proto-Greeks have been found by quasi-neo nazi meme fatwa...
In fact, it is one of the only search items which appear to say so.
https://ifunny.co/meme/the-genomic-...atial-civilizations-identifiers-sra-jNctt8dI8
Seriously, though.
We need to see the paper, and know about the archeological context.
Why am I not surprised?
To the premise, I'd say maybe, and maybe we found Illyrian like people.
It very well could be, I want to read the paper to see.Bummer :wary2:
So it was to good to be true.....
"There are four types of graves that are found at sites from the Middle Helladic period; pit graves, tholos graves, cist graves, and shaft graves. A pit grave is self explanatory, as it is simply a pit in the ground, while tholos styled graves are characterized as being more of a chamber like tomb. Cist graves and shaft graves are interesting because they are two styles of burial that originate from the Middle Helladic period itself, and it is believed that migrants who moved to Greece during this period influenced the creation of these new burial styles. Cist graves are deep and rectangular with a tumulus, or mound of earth, placed over top and came about during the beginning of the Middle Helladic period.Shaft graves are larger and deeper than cist graves (measuring on average 6 meters long, 4 meters wide, and 4 meters deep) and came about during the end of the Middle Helladic period."
Middle Helladic
"Proto-Cetina/Cetina, in the southern Balkans, appears as a Bell Beaker periphery connecting the West Adriatic coast with the East Adriatic area ca. 2400–2300 BC (...) Tumuli of several meters in diameter, primarily of stone, can have a kerb of large stones. They contain usually a rectangular cist grave made of stone slabs, with a stone-covering slab. A single person buried in a contracted position on the left or right side is the standard."
https://indo-european.info/indo-europeans-uralians/VIII_9_Adriatic_province-.htm
The practice of digging shaft tombs was a widespread phenomenon with prominent examples found in
see american indian burial:
^
how about the other Mississippian culture?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_Point
Greek Theaters
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