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I have compared the 6 individuals that compose the Imperial cluster of Posth et al. 2021, to Antonio et al. 2019's populations. In the Antonio paper, it was verified that the 48 Imperial cluster individuals was divided into several different ethnic groups, (i.e. (C6) Central Mediterranean, (C5) Eastern Mediterranean, (C4) Near Eastern and (C3) North African). With 31 of the 48 individuals from the Antonio paper being C6 and C5, with rest being a minority of C4, and even smaller C3.
The findings here show that 4 of the 6 individuals here belong to the C6 cohort, with only one individual showing affinity to C3, and the other C5.
I was disappointed to see that Posth et al. 2021 had glossed over this nuance. Which is what has motivated me to make this thread.
We know from the Antonio paper, that C6 ancestry eventually became the most dominate in Rome, by the time of the middle ages. This also seems to be the case in Tuscany.
The findings here show that 4 of the 6 individuals here belong to the C6 cohort, with only one individual showing affinity to C3, and the other C5.
I was disappointed to see that Posth et al. 2021 had glossed over this nuance. Which is what has motivated me to make this thread.
We know from the Antonio paper, that C6 ancestry eventually became the most dominate in Rome, by the time of the middle ages. This also seems to be the case in Tuscany.
Distance to: | TAQ021 |
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3.65334094 | C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata |
4.97456531 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna |
5.18260552 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
5.70495399 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna |
6.04666024 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio |
6.28720129 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
6.57902728 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna |
6.65725920 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi |
6.71589160 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna |
6.98328003 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis |
7.02547507 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna |
7.26534239 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna |
7.33377802 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
7.65644173 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche |
7.96656764 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
8.01634580 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna |
8.20192660 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
8.33453058 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
8.54786523 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausole_di_Augusto |
8.69293966 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
8.70378653 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausole_di_Augusto |
8.72009174 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
8.73635508 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna |
8.78846972 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis |
8.91677072 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria |
Distance to: | TAQ020 |
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4.22571887 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio |
4.31196011 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
5.71508530 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
6.04187885 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria |
6.30849427 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
6.36097477 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche |
6.41825521 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria |
6.51541250 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
6.83435440 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
6.93213531 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria |
7.00451997 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
7.12097606 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
7.76882230 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche |
8.44433538 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna |
8.45839819 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo |
8.71862374 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna |
8.80415243 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna |
9.27257785 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
9.40364291 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
9.58771610 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna |
9.69825758 | C7:Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro |
9.83711340 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
9.94152403 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
10.02607600 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna |
10.34189054 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis |
Distance to: | MAS003 |
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7.72047278 | C3:Iron_Age_N_African/Euro-Mix:R475_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia |
8.71365021 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna |
8.89276672 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria |
9.07572587 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
9.62520130 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
9.93343344 | C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata |
10.17619772 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria |
10.30015048 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
10.30794354 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio |
10.45892442 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
10.58182876 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche |
10.58912650 | C3:Imperial_North_African:R80_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis |
10.72016791 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria |
10.76918753 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis |
10.82503118 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna |
11.26164730 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi |
11.38913956 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
11.47918116 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio |
11.57820366 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
11.66526039 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R45_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
11.79233649 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausole_di_Augusto |
11.82417862 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
12.06321682 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
12.10252866 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna |
12.33378287 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
Distance to: | MAS002 |
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2.96464163 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R81_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis |
4.41155301 | C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R41_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
4.43072229 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R134_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
4.49097985 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R34_Mausole_di_Augusto |
5.13506572 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
5.33598163 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R66_ANAS |
5.45977106 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R133_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
5.51823341 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1545_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese |
5.83553768 | C5:Iron_Age_Eastern_Mediterranean:R850_(Latini)_Ardea |
5.91614740 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1543_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese |
5.96332961 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R123_Casale_del_Dolce |
6.16414633 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R39_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
6.17226863 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R50_Centocelle_Necropolis |
6.54462375 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R40_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
6.85520970 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropolis |
7.11766816 | C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R73_ANAS |
7.13604232 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1548_Monterotondo |
7.20874469 | C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R75_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis |
7.60957949 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R130_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
7.64296408 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R114_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
7.67714791 | C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R72_ANAS |
8.11841733 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausole_di_Augusto |
8.52355560 | C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R70_ANAS |
8.78526038 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
9.15473102 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
Distance to: | ETR016 |
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3.63450134 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio |
4.49499722 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna |
4.96361763 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna |
5.19576751 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna |
5.29554530 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
5.36639544 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi |
5.38421768 | C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata |
5.62904965 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna |
5.66066251 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
5.70618086 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna |
5.81165209 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna |
6.07345865 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis |
6.37235435 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna |
6.80506429 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
7.05703904 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro |
7.20941745 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna |
7.22380786 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna |
7.37444913 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
7.40482951 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
7.67558467 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche |
7.68412650 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche |
7.71538074 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna |
7.76568091 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese |
7.78879965 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausole_di_Augusto |
7.92380590 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina |
Distance to: | ETR001 |
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3.08917465 | C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata |
3.12755496 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna |
4.03565360 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
4.13444071 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
4.93768164 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
5.00859262 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna |
5.05356310 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
5.56285898 | C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
6.02139519 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche |
6.29034975 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis |
6.51112126 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis |
6.52214689 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche |
6.66137373 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna |
6.98725983 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio |
7.02551777 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
7.25305453 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna |
7.88702098 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna |
7.93834366 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
8.01208462 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna |
8.17496789 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria |
8.30575704 | C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
8.45656550 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna |
8.47171765 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
8.53086748 | C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna |
8.58506261 | C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro |