MOESAN
Elite member
- Messages
- 5,893
- Reaction score
- 1,296
- Points
- 113
- Location
- Brittany
- Ethnic group
- more celtic
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b - L21/S145*
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H3c
I have remarked that IE roots attached to close enough meanings differed between them only by the alternation of R/L or the reverse.
According to M. POKORNIK (old reconstructions, but sensible):
*bal-bal- babbling, unclear speech
*bar-bar- babbling, unclear speech
*bhel- glittering white > bheleg to shine
*bher- shining, bright brown > bher[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ə[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]g, bhr[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]g [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to shine, bright, white[/FONT]
*bhl[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT]u- < bhel- to bloat, to swell, to blow up, to flow
*bhr[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT]u- > bhreu-d to swell, to sprout
*gel- to curl, to form into ball, round
*ger- to curl to wind, to turn
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*ğ[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hel- (*ghel-?) [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]>[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ğ[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hle-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to shine, to glare, to glow, gold, yellow, bright colour[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ğher- (-g-), *ğhre- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to shine, to beam, to shimmer[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]kal- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hard, callous, blister[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]kar- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hard[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]el- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to cut[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ker- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to cut[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]w[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]el- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to turn, wheel + ? neck[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]w[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]er- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]dish, pot (? meaning of roundness, or turned pots?)[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]r[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ā-(-u), *krə-, *krŭ- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to heap up, to pile together, heap, roof[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*klā- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to lade, to place, to heap up, to lay down[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]mel-, *mel[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ə[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]dark colour, dirty[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]mer-, *mor- > *moru-, *moro- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to blacken, dark colour, dirt spot[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]pel- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to fold >[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] pleǩ- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to plait, to ply, to weave[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]pr[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ā[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to bend[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*wel-, *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]wlē-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to turn, to wind, round, voluble[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]wer-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to turn, to bend, to wrap[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]S[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]o a repetition of the same phenomenon cannot be due to pure hazard. We could think that this alternation is old among IE languages ; in today dialects, it’s true, it ‘s a constant and so is not so surprising; it doesn’t need exchanges between remote IE dialects because it occurs on little scale too. I suppose it occurs also among other groups of languages.[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]What is your opinion? Could you post some similar examples in diverse languages?[/FONT]
According to M. POKORNIK (old reconstructions, but sensible):
*bal-bal- babbling, unclear speech
*bar-bar- babbling, unclear speech
*bhel- glittering white > bheleg to shine
*bher- shining, bright brown > bher[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ə[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]g, bhr[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]g [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to shine, bright, white[/FONT]
*bhl[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT]u- < bhel- to bloat, to swell, to blow up, to flow
*bhr[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ē[/FONT]u- > bhreu-d to swell, to sprout
*gel- to curl, to form into ball, round
*ger- to curl to wind, to turn
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*ğ[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hel- (*ghel-?) [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]>[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ğ[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hle-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to shine, to glare, to glow, gold, yellow, bright colour[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ğher- (-g-), *ğhre- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to shine, to beam, to shimmer[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]kal- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hard, callous, blister[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]kar- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]hard[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]el- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to cut[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ker- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to cut[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]w[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]el- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to turn, wheel + ? neck[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]w[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]er- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]dish, pot (? meaning of roundness, or turned pots?)[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*k[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]r[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ā-(-u), *krə-, *krŭ- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to heap up, to pile together, heap, roof[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*klā- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to lade, to place, to heap up, to lay down[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]mel-, *mel[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ə[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]dark colour, dirty[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]mer-, *mor- > *moru-, *moro- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to blacken, dark colour, dirt spot[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]pel- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to fold >[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] pleǩ- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to plait, to ply, to weave[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]? *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]pr[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]ā[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]- [/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]to bend[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*wel-, *[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]wlē-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to turn, to wind, round, voluble[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]*[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]wer-[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif] to turn, to bend, to wrap[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]S[/FONT][FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]o a repetition of the same phenomenon cannot be due to pure hazard. We could think that this alternation is old among IE languages ; in today dialects, it’s true, it ‘s a constant and so is not so surprising; it doesn’t need exchanges between remote IE dialects because it occurs on little scale too. I suppose it occurs also among other groups of languages.[/FONT]
[FONT=Liberation Serif, serif]What is your opinion? Could you post some similar examples in diverse languages?[/FONT]