Ancient Rome Test (Various Calculators)

Jovialis how do you know
R136 and R1544 are in the c6 cluster
and not the in the C5 east -med cluster?

Dont think they cluster with tuscans or greeks
More with sicily shouldn't they be in the c5 cluster instead ?

Kind regards
Adam
 
Nor really the best fit compared to you guys.
I wonder if Jovialis could do more of these, they are really fun. Kudos Jovialis.


Distance to:Archetype0ne
8.17841672R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
9.49043202R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
10.45319090R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
10.97280730R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.19476217R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.64425180R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.90423874R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.11107757R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.14406028R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.24889791R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.34779333R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.57198075R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.49002965R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
13.56204631R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.59329614R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
13.62363021R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.72950473R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
14.07759923R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
14.42007628R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
14.78462039R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
14.79541145R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
14.97120570R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
15.17480807R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
15.25957404R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
15.27694014R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 1.0602% / 1.06020438

40.2R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
20.0R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
17.8R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.0R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
6.0R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.2R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
2.8R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


TargetDistance | ADC: 1xR1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
Archetype0ne6.87135240•
79.021.0
Average6.87135240•
79.021.0
RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV

TargetDistance | ADC: 0.5xR1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
Archetype0ne5.77328434•
33.641.624.8
Average5.77328434•
33.641.624.8
RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV

TargetDistance | ADC: 0.25xR1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
Archetype0ne3.60369635•
3.211.868.616.4
Average3.60369635•
3.211.868.616.4
RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV

TargetDistanceR11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
Archetype0ne1.05915256•
9.418.43.45.820.639.82.6
Average1.05915256•
9.418.43.45.820.639.82.6







Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 1.0602% / 1.06020438

40.2R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
20.0R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
17.8R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.0R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
6.0R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.2R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
2.8R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
 
@King John,

R66 and R1544 are in C6, if you look at page 67 of the supplement, and compare it to Figure 4.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf

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kingjohn said:
Jovialis how do you know
R136 and R1544 are in the c6 cluster
and not the in the C5 east -med cluster?

Dont think they cluster with tuscans or greeks
More with sicily shouldn't they be in the c5 cluster instead ?

Kind regards
Adam
Click to expand...

I think Sicily sits in the C6 to C5 cluster. Look at my results above in post 195. I think i am pretty representative of someone whose ancestors are all from there and in particular West to Northwest Sicily. I think out of 44 distances < 10, 42 are in the C6 cluster and 2 in the C5.
 
Also, all southern Italians, including Sicilians are in the C6 cluster. Though there is some overlap between C6 (Mediterranean) and C5 (Eastern Mediterranean) in the more southernly areas, which Sicily plots in.

cQbk39f.png
 
Thanks for clarification
As western jew i cluster with sicily
So samples who are close to modern
Sicilians are in c6.....
Than the results look logic in my case...

P.s
To be in c5 cluster is also not bad😂
With the R850 outlier that would
Be cool😎
 
kingjohn said:
Thanks for clarification
As western jew i cluster with sicily
So samples who are close to modern
Sicilians are in c6.....
Than the results look logic in my case...

P.s
To be in c5 cluster is also not bad������
With the R850 outlier that would
Be cool������
Click to expand...

Kingjohn: Here are those Different samples from Sicily, Calabria, and Abruzzo that you had GED match Kit numbers for. I ran the Dodecad 12B coordinates for these samples against Jovialis updated ancient Roman samples categorized by Clusters in the Antonio et al 2019 study. All the Sicilian samples, and the others, Calabria, Abruzzo_Calabria are consistent with what Jovialis stated above, they are in the C6 Cluster in general with some overlap with the C5 in terms of distances (top 25 for each presented).


Distance to:Cosenza_Calabria_A619640
3.16461688Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
4.19580743Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.24897635Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.34978160Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
4.48571065Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.52583694Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
4.53180979Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.57582779Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.67221575Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.70605992Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
4.81831921Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
4.91513988Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.95320099Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.24060111Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.28101316Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.33511012Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.54936032Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.67011464Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
5.98447993Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
6.08019737Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.45913307Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
6.52197823Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.22629919Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
7.58020448Near_Eastern_C4:R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
7.68154281Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Crotone_Calabria_A172427
3.44792691Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.65147915Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
3.91752473Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
3.99942496Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.12491212Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
4.34368507Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.51799734Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.56737342Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.62002164Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.77120530Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.88419901Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.90174459Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.05906118Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.26587125Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.34659705Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.37869873Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.39382981Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.51335651Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.77654741Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.79090666Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.60071966Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.63473436Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.67964819Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
6.73063147Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.74891843Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro

Distance to:ReggioCalabria_A405665
3.88114674Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.18393356Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
4.27933406Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.45779093Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.75788819Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.84873179Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.04661273Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.19951921Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.24674185Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
5.48764977Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.51059888Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.75431143Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.06139423Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
6.09113290Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.11650227Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.14455043Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.19475585Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.51932512Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.53791251Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
6.54631194Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.69229408Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.78550661Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.81174721Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
6.91786094Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.95885766Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo

Distance to:Mammola_ReggioCalabria_T476333
3.98327754Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.67069588Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.77341597Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
5.37688572Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.38644595Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.42630629Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.49657166Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.66190781Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.69363680Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.81634765Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.13541360Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.21383939Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.31426955Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.33550314Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.40771410Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.86911202Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.89139318Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
7.08699513Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.11529339Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
7.66018277Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.66045038Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.85674233Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.89930377Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.09504169Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.14583329Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Abruzzo_Calabria_A454745
2.12934262Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.15705818Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
2.41404225Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.66137183Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
2.78102499Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.79664084Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
2.99993333Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.08042205Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.52603176Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.70584673Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.83253180Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.86462159Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.98682831Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.22994090Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.31798564Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.34129013Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.62334295Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
4.64289780Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.86463770Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.98403451Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.18506509Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.19853826Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.26713395Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.33265412Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.41006469Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

Distance to:Messina_A538499
2.98357169Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.04738187Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.39646449Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
4.82463470Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.94406715Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
4.98528836Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
5.26344944Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.32155992Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.33456652Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.45550181Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.57937272Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.65507736Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
5.66977072Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.90506562Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.99978333Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.14913002Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.18519199Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.35416399Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.38061909Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.51322501Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.68178120Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.82364272Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.09143850Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
7.15770215Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.36870409Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Messina_A482096
3.43323463Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
3.80947503Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.26012911Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.49189270Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.71256830Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
4.77467276Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.79867690Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.90263195Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.14256745Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.26830143Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.79174412Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.81307148Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.86319879Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.91985642Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.09678604Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.32834101Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.40827590Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.46026315Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.52236154Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.60192396Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.69144977Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.93618771Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
7.02274163Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
7.04855304Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.10207716Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

Distance to:Caltanisseta_M090932
5.36887325Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.42023985Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.42705261Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.52481674Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
5.69253898Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.92846523Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.96866819Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.08957306Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.13035072Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.58990136Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.59738585Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.66288976Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.68940954Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.72917528Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
7.05588407Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.10007746Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.10309792Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.10775633Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
7.14509622Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.19002782Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
7.25339231Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.26486751Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.73100252Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
7.91598383Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.93307633Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Catania_M041450
3.68515943Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.71366396Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
3.91090782Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.13464630Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.29366976Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.37314532Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
4.85454426Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.97560047Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.14786363Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.20950094Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.22500718Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.39546106Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.52980108Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.61261080Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
5.64622883Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.77557789Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.87122645Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.05956269Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.16176923Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
6.21413711Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.39032081Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.91858367Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
7.07679306Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.16255541Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.22656903Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Catania_M164106
2.87325599Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
2.99856632Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
3.15933537Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.67392161Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
4.03741254Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
4.23549289Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.27604958Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
4.44571704Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.76298226Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.37326716Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.54708933Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.62020462Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.63458960Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.67490969Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
5.71131333Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.77026862Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.79624879Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.79639543Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.98419585Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
5.99478106Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
6.14264601Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.19079155Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.34692839Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.57227510Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.72741406Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Distance to:Trapani_T303793
3.21393839Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
3.84751868Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.11891976Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.20238028Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.36500859Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.38295562Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.61000000Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.16750423Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.39495134Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.52713307Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.53163629Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.64255261Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.73832728Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.74099295Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.93786157Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
6.03889063Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.06861599Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.11342784Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
6.15920449Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.19154262Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.36434600Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.51709291Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.65744696Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
7.02341085Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.15350963Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
 
Thanks palermo trapani informative 😉
Yes most of them in c6 cluster and the 2 who
Are more close to c5 cluster ( 1 catanian sample + 1 cosenza)
Are also extremely close to c6....

P.s
It is amazing how dieneks created this calculator few years ago...
And it is still relevant to academic papers👍
 
KingJohn: It is the best one I have seen for me in terms of how it matches with ancient samples. I think Jovialis demonstrated in a comparison of the models the Dodecad converges with the Ancient Roman samples in Antonio et al 2019 better than any other models. No, thank you for providing those gedmatch kits in an earlier thread this summer. It helped my corroborate that my own results are in line with modern Italians in Sicily, Calabria and Abruzzo.
 
@PT ... got the message ... :)

@ Jovialis ... thanks (y)

... 23andme V5:

uNaYll1.jpg



Combined:
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As I figured, I'm a mix of mom and dad...

Distance to:Angela
6.16793320Mediterranean_C6:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.20598904Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.88215809Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.01179227Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.10498215European_C7:R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.25520934Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.40529638Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.43736722European_C7:R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.62268674European_C7:R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.77213385European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.80181106European_C7:R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
10.29759195Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.75215327European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.89582948European_C7:R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
10.91591957European_C7:R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.16737659European_C7:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.21531542Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.66933700Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.94033230Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.02701424Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
13.18377791European_C7:R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
13.22393663European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.23101281Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.78290245Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
13.98591792Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
 
Angela: Your pretty much centered on C6 to C7. Salento, Jovialis and I am centered on C6 with some overlap to C5.

Seems like the C6 samples are kind of the Core anchor point with some drift in regions North of Lazio towards C7 cluster and for those south of Lazio towards C5. The other Southern Samples from the kits Kingjohn provided (post 209) follow the same pattern as Salento, Jovialis and Myself.
 
Mine:

Distance to: italouruguayan


14.49613397 European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
15.10816667 European_C7:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
15.22995404 European_C7:R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
15.88132866 Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
16.09330606 European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
16.18212285 European_C7:R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
16.54376620 European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
16.54425278 European_C7:R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
16.80742990 European_C7:R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
16.97161159 Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
17.10969024 European_C7:R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
18.57265194 European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
18.65686737 European_C7:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
18.66116556 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
18.88363313 European_C7:R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
19.00279190 Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
19.04756152 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
19.15197901 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
19.45814739 European_C7:R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
19.83336835 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
20.19679182 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
20.32977127 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
20.38448675 European_C7:R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
20.61857658 European_C7:R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
20.65616857 Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
21.06469796 Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
 
with living dna raw data ( which overlapp in markers more with 23and me v5)

maybe a better name for the c6 cluster instead of just med would be central- med :unsure:
Distance to:adam
4.66567251Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.87204269Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.58970482Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.60952761Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.13001631Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.13033441Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.20411960Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.20735854Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.41811499Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.77302001Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.00799543Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.04564404Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.07136479Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.10638445Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.23189463Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.25054481Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.30501198Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
7.33805833Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.54931785Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.61152416Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.72594331Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.72848627Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.89257246Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.52406593Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.68073154Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
 
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Thanks for the results king john, but this kind of demonstrates the limitations of using tools like this. Western Jews are about half-near eastern, with eastern Mediterranean, and central Mediterranean admixture, as well as Slavic and/or Germanic input. Western Jews are not central Mediterranean, only partly. Sort of like the way a half-English, half-Chinese person would plot with Indians. Or an Irish person with a Korean great-grandfather would plot with Sami, it doesn't make him Sami. I think your Bulgarian ancestry is pulling you towards the position you plot in, because your Ashkenazi, combined with your Sephardic would plot you more "east".
 
Jovialis said:
Thanks for the results king john, but this kind of demonstrates the limitations of using tools like this. Western Jews are about half-near eastern, with eastern Mediterranean, and central Mediterranean admixture, as well as Slavic and/or Germanic input. Western Jews are not central Mediterranean, only partly. Sort of like the way a half-English, half-Chinese person would plot with Indians. Or an Irish person with a Korean great-grandfather would plot with Sami, it doesn't make him Sami. I think your Bulgarian ancestry is pulling you towards the position you plot in, because your Ashkenazi, combined with your Sephardic would plot you more "east".
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Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Some studies actually posit up to 60% non Middle Eastern Ancestry in the Ashkenazim.

Can't wait to see classical era samples from Israel to finally get a hold on it.

In King John's case, being one quarter Bulgarian would also affect his scores.

It's not IBD like genetic material from Jews to Italians or Italians to Jews that makes them plot where they are; that at least has been shown in studies.
 
Vahaduo Dodecad k12b changing, in the source data, the original Roman coordinates by the new Roman Coordinates produced by Jovialis at post #191
Distance to:Duarte
6.29654667GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
6.83142738GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
7.15328596EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585
7.40270896I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
7.51741312I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
7.79453013European_C7:R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.87062895Roman-SoldierFN_2
7.96743999EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
7.98827891GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852
8.29628230MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649
8.57093927CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
8.65500433I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
8.79383307I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
8.85043502GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
8.99556557European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.14401444I2215_Malak_Preslavets
9.16999455European_C7:R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.54338514I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
9.68139453European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
9.70848598CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
9.77754570I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
9.77754570SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
9.85898575France_BA_NIED
10.09213060GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866
10.16175674I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
10.26428760IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
10.27705211I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
10.28605367European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.32874145Collegno94
10.34106861European_C7:R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
10.80122678I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
10.82306796European_C7:R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.96510374European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.98636428I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
 
@Kingjohn,

Those Sicilian samples that Palermo asked you to post look very familiar. Are they from Sikeliot's cache and now floating around on the internet?

I'd just advise that I wouldn't bet any money on them being randomly chosen. :)
 
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