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Where is that RafC work? Are you talking about Argonauts of the Balkans?
Anyway, I wouldn't be so sure about it. Western Europeans in general are huge Greek larpers because of their 'democracy' fetish.
On the other hand, they hugely underestimate the influence of other Balkan people especially during the Roman times.
Once again, it's very hard for me to believe that E-V13 has anything to do with proto-Greeks, that's just wishes of some people.
Don't be confused by modern distribution of E-V13.
So far we haven't found any V13 among the ancient Greeks although the ancient Greeks are some of the most represented in the archeogenetic studies.
I've heard they found couple of R1b among them in the upcoming papers by leaks on Anthrogenica and I haven't heard anything of V13.
On other hand, I have informations that some upcoming papers will throw light upon V13 in the near feature and the Carpathian basin will be very important for this group.
So judging by archeogenetics so far, neither Pelasgians nor proto-Greeks were E-V13. The Pelasgians would just be a mainland version of the Minoans and probably mostly J2a and G, while R1b brought the proto-Greeks.
Anyway, pls share what RafC paper you was talking about.
In some few regions there was a majority replacement like in Macedonia, Attica, Boetia and Euboea but not in all regions.I don’t think so. Actually a lot of Greeks have tested, and it’s growing, based on results posted in social media, where many can see and share. I think the academic studies so far have established that Greeks weren’t completely obliterated or replaced by medieval invasions. Rather, the invaders likely more or less blended in with pre-existing populations. Studies appear to have discredited the opposite propaganda, that of complete replacement. That may not be sitting very well with replacement proponents, be they Nordicists, Fallmerayer types, etc.
Where is that RafC work? Are you talking about Argonauts of the Balkans?
Anyway, I wouldn't be so sure about it. Western Europeans in general are huge Greek larpers because of their 'democracy' fetish.
On the other hand, they hugely underestimate the influence of other Balkan people especially during the Roman times.
Once again, it's very hard for me to believe that E-V13 has anything to do with proto-Greeks, that's just wishes of some people.
Don't be confused by modern distribution of E-V13.
So far we haven't found any V13 among the ancient Greeks although the ancient Greeks are some of the most represented in the archeogenetic studies.
I've heard they found couple of R1b among them in the upcoming papers by leaks on Anthrogenica and I haven't heard anything of V13.
On other hand, I have informations that some upcoming papers will throw light upon V13 in the near feature and the Carpathian basin will be very important for this group.
So judging by archeogenetics so far, neither Pelasgians nor proto-Greeks were E-V13. The Pelasgians would just be a mainland version of the Minoans and probably mostly J2a and G, while R1b brought the proto-Greeks.
Anyway, pls share what RafC paper you was talking about.
No more than ~10 - 15% of Romanians/Vlachs carry E-V13. And much probably up and down Bronze Age subclades. It didn't have strong presence in North Balkans. By guessing South Albania/Epirus - North-Western Greece seems to be the right place to look. Cardium Pottery Culture starting point was Adriatic Balkans, South Albania and Epirus region.
Yes but still, they are saying that Ghegs arrived in 15 century AD while these same Ghegs have at least double the amount of main Greek haplogroup, so E-v13.
Majority of Greek E-v13 must be from assimilated Illyrians and later Albanians/Arvanites. Even if its not, how can they be alien when they have double the amount of main Greek haplogroup, if anything they are more Greek then Greeks are. You dont know all the E-v13 clades ancient Illyrians and even Albanians had 1000 years ago. You only see modern result after severe bottlenecks and then expansions.
How do you explain this picture when Albanians have double the amount of main Greek haplogroup and Greek second and third largest groups are R1a and I2a-CTS10228 which are Slavic in origin ?
Where are Greeks in this story ? And even tho i agree with you that real Greeks would have to be E-v13, E-v13 cant be proto Illyrian neither proto Greek. Proto Greek and Illyrian can be only R1b since they are original Indo-European centum carriers. E-v13 and J2b2 also J2a for that matter got indo-europeanised by R1b therefore we cant consider them true proto-Greeks neither proto-Illyrians.
Somehow i had a feeling that i will activate you if i say that E-v13 is Albanian hehe, but you can't deny that there is nowhere in the world E-v13 percentage like in Albanians. Also accompanied with fair diversity. Geographically further from Albanians less E-v13 we find, simple as that.
Just explain this to me ? Why Greeks have only the half of main Albanian haplogroup while the other two of their primary haplogroups are Slavic in origin.... Where are real Greeks ?
E-V13 can hardly be more Albanian in general than Greek because when V13 started expanding if it was anything defined the most likely version is: proto-Greek (among few others ofc)
Where is that RafC work? Are you talking about Argonauts of the Balkans?
Anyway, I wouldn't be so sure about it. Western Europeans in general are huge Greek larpers because of their 'democracy' fetish.
On the other hand, they hugely underestimate the influence of other Balkan people especially during the Roman times.
Once again, it's very hard for me to believe that E-V13 has anything to do with proto-Greeks, that's just wishes of some people.
Don't be confused by modern distribution of E-V13.
So far we haven't found any V13 among the ancient Greeks although the ancient Greeks are some of the most represented in the archeogenetic studies.
I've heard they found couple of R1b among them in the upcoming papers by leaks on Anthrogenica and I haven't heard anything of V13.
On other hand, I have informations that some upcoming papers will throw light upon V13 in the near feature and the Carpathian basin will be very important for this group.
So judging by archeogenetics so far, neither Pelasgians nor proto-Greeks were E-V13. The Pelasgians would just be a mainland version of the Minoans and probably mostly J2a and G, while R1b brought the proto-Greeks.
Anyway, pls share what RafC paper you was talking about.
Ofc it is his Argonauts paper. he argued for E-L618/E-V13 -> Cetina -> Bubanj Hum III, Armenochori (Cetina related) spread as being proto-Greek
But now we know Yamnaya Glina III culture played very important part in genesis of Cetina.
So E-Y37092 Cetina , Greekoid in some respects but not Greek proper.
E-CTS1273 Glina III Schenkenberg (Romania) -> Bubanj Hum III, Armenochori etc. So indeed Carpathians should be important for V13.
Of course the question is were these people Greek? That's far more complicated, but in all likelihood at least part of these made up proto-Greeks. And this is where you get some of Greek E-V13 LBA arrivals from.
ofc problem is for some proto-Illyrian conenction. This group of cultures has literally nothing to do with proto-Illyrians (Western Balkans). But ofc it is possible as some authors say that both proto-Illyrians and proto-Thracians came in Late BA..
I mean clearly Albanians hate Greeks, and Greeks hate Albanians. You dislike Greeks.. All that I am interested in here is reconstructing E-V13..
I'm also a bit of a Spartan larper. I do rate them higher than 20 other random ancient tribes put together.. And so do great many people. You won't get any 300 movies about some random Illyrian or Thracian tribe...
One more thing, Syracuse Italians 15/138 = 10.9 % of E-V13.. Can't see Arvanites in this sample.. Now why would Syracuse have more E-V13..
Don't forget also that Greeks founded colonies along the entire Eastern Adriatic sea coast. They literally came to Illyrian backyard.. You should be getting some E-V13 of Greek extraction there too who are today Albanians, South Slavs etc..
Most of r1a and i2a in albanans is slavic origin. The point is that j2a is lower than slavic lineages in all Albanian groups, yet this guy is trying to make a fantasy world where it was dominant 500 years ago..
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