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I don't believe coordinates are intended to be used in this way though. The labels are fairly arbitrary and not even e.g. Amerindians score anywhere near 100% Amerindian.
They only mean something when compared with others' coordinates.
Mediterranean is:31,51% east_med and 13,8% west_med.We can see that turkish dna is only at 3,9%.
karis_samples
1. 4.61955626 Turkish
2. 4.91347128 Turkish_Southeast
3. 5.89691445 Turkish_East
Your samples check out to be Turks proper, and not even from close to the Black Sea region, if they really told you they are "Pontic Greeks", you should investigate further because it doesn't seem to be the case, (also just lols @ the 6% Baltic component for a Pontic person).
Code:karis_samples 1. 4.61955626 Turkish 2. 4.91347128 Turkish_Southeast 3. 5.89691445 Turkish_East
Νo they are not turks.They are pontic greeks.They are similar to turks bc they were living in turkey.
[SIZE=2]pontic1
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Components % [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]North_Atlantic 2.08 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Baltic 1.15 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]West_Med 17.10 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]West_Asian 37.49 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]East_Med 32.50 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Red_Sea 5.07 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]South_Asian 3.27 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]East_Asian 0.62 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Siberian 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Amerindian 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Oceanian 0.45 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Northeast_African 0.26 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Sub-Saharan 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]
pontic2
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Components % [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]North_Atlantic 2.45 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Baltic 0.62 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]West_Med 18.14 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]West_Asian 36.32 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]East_Med 34.32 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Red_Sea 3.91 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]South_Asian 3.38 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]East_Asian 0.12 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Siberian 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Amerindian 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Oceanian 0.74 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Northeast_African 0.00 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Sub-Saharan 0.00 [/SIZE]
Pontic Greeks don't score Baltic nor East Asian %s on ADMIXTURE components, neither do other groups in the areas they used to live in, like neighboring Lazes and Hamshens. They also get the reference Greek_Pontus in their top categories, your samples don't get it at all.
Your results have the profile of Turks because of their elevated (East) Asiatic components and there's nothing wrong with that.
If you are serious about genealogy, this is the sort of stuff you need to look out for.
To help you out, this the results real Pontics score on ADMIXTURE K13 on average:
Code:[SIZE=2]pontic1 [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Components % [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]North_Atlantic 2.08 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Baltic 1.15 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]West_Med 17.10 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]West_Asian 37.49 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]East_Med 32.50 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Red_Sea 5.07 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]South_Asian 3.27 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]East_Asian 0.62 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Siberian 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Amerindian 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Oceanian 0.45 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Northeast_African 0.26 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Sub-Saharan 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2] pontic2 [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Components % [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]North_Atlantic 2.45 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Baltic 0.62 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]West_Med 18.14 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]West_Asian 36.32 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]East_Med 34.32 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Red_Sea 3.91 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]South_Asian 3.38 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]East_Asian 0.12 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Siberian 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Amerindian 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Oceanian 0.74 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Northeast_African 0.00 [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Sub-Saharan 0.00 [/SIZE]
yes pontic greeks dont score baltic but they have some turkish ancestry.But Pontus is not only Trabzon.
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I have a grandfather who was pontic greek.He didnt look like a central asian but i think he had some turkish dna-under 5%
Pontic Greeks don't have Turkic ancestry, and Pontus=Trabzon+Gumusxane+Rize, Western "Pontus" = Cappadocia.
If your grandfather has Turkic DNA, he's probably got Turkish roots proper, maybe he was a Christian Urum/Crimean Tatar?
Stop falsifying facts in order to fit your own little personal narrative.
They lived under the turkish control for 400+ years.I think that they have some turkish ancestry.Even mainland greeks have some.
There's no evidence of this unless we are talking about Christian Turkish groups that we have a lot of information on and even they show miniscule East Asian admixture, example given the Gagauz. If you don't know the village or even the area your grandfather is from, how do you even claim he is Pontic?
Your grandfather has the East Asian equivalent of Turks from the South, how could that possibly place him in NE Black Sea, who has a very specific profile even among the local modern Turks?
You are either lying or your grandfather was aware of his Turkish ancestry and maybe he claimed he was Pontic because he was afraid there would be stigma attached to that ancestry (in which he was right).
The bottom line is the results you posted couldn't be furthest from Pontus/NE Anatolia, for Pontic Greeks, Turks, Laz and Hamshen.
In trabzon, not the entire pontus
Please, stop with this nonsense. The autosomals of NE Anatolians are known for the past ten years or so.
You are not going to convince anyone w/o providing any solid proof for a matter that is done and dusted, you don't even know the sample's place of origin. There's no point in continuing this argument.
Your relative is Turkish by genetics, culturally he can be whatever he wants, he can be Martian for all anyone cares.
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