Average K13 Eurogenes of 23 Serbs from various regions

[Bachus]

 

[Tutkun Arnaut]

west Asian is Turkish?

 

[Bachus]

west Asian is Turkish?

West_Asian is Neolithic. All Europeans score West_Asian in some %.
Albanians have more West_Asian score than Serbs.

Look here, this Kosovar Albanian guy The Illyrian Warrior score 11.75% West_Asian [video]https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K13/page78[/video]

Pure Irish person from that forum score 7.25% West_Asian.

 

[Archetype0ne]

I am assuming what Tutkun meant is the pre-Turk-etnonym for Western Anatolians.

Maybe modern western-Anatolia Turks are more closely related to their ancient geographical predecessors than many would have you believe.

I mean from a Historical prism, considering Ancient Greece, Rome, and Byzantium, that would only make sense.

What surprises me most is the high Levantine, North African, Iberian, South Italian, Jewish proximity showing all over the Balkans.

That I was not aware of.

From the Albanian guy you linked:
"# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.51
2 Tuscan 8.01
3 Bulgarian 8.29
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.59
5 Romanian 9.68
6 West_Sicilian 9.81
7 Central_Greek 9.97
8 North_Italian 11.16
9 East_Sicilian 11.27
10 Ashkenazi 13.47
11 South_Italian 13.53
12 Serbian 13.65
13 Portuguese 19.05
14 Italian_Jewish 19.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.44
16 Spanish_Extremadura 19.47
17 Algerian_Jewish 19.58
18 Moldavian 20.19
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.21
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]20 Spanish_Murcia 20.45"

[/FONT]Iron Age Bulgaria: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37958-Iron-Age-Balkan-DNA-on-GEDmatch?p=568028#post568028

"Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12"




[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Maybe we can infer this population mixture took place pre-Christian era. And if that is the case(?), the question is how long before, and where did these populations meet(?). We are certainly seeing a high degree of "Globalization" so to speak, spanning from West Europe, All the way to West Asia, and Northern Africa.

I wonder how far early this Ashkenazi / Sheparic influence goes? Certainly pre-Christ, or rather pre-Christianity (3-4th Century). But also considering the similarities with Iberia and even the NW Galicia populations, I suspect it could be much earlier.

This post is with good intentions, so I hope I don't rustle any feathers as usual.
For all I know this is just a coincidence, and I do not know what I am talking about.[/FONT]

 

[Bachus]

I am assuming what Tutkun meant is the pre-Turk-etnonym for Western Anatolians.

Maybe modern western-Anatolia Turks are more closely related to their ancient geographical predecessors than many would have you believe.

I mean from a Historical prism, considering Ancient Greece, Rome, and Byzantium, that would only make sense.

What surprises me most is the high Levantine, North African, Iberian, South Italian, Jewish proximity showing all over the Balkans.

That I was not aware of.

From the Albanian guy you linked:
"# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.51
2 Tuscan 8.01
3 Bulgarian 8.29
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.59
5 Romanian 9.68
6 West_Sicilian 9.81
7 Central_Greek 9.97
8 North_Italian 11.16
9 East_Sicilian 11.27
10 Ashkenazi 13.47
11 South_Italian 13.53
12 Serbian 13.65
13 Portuguese 19.05
14 Italian_Jewish 19.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.44
16 Spanish_Extremadura 19.47
17 Algerian_Jewish 19.58
18 Moldavian 20.19
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.21
20 Spanish_Murcia 20.45"

Iron Age Bulgaria: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37958-Iron-Age-Balkan-DNA-on-GEDmatch?p=568028#post568028

"Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12"




Maybe we can infer this population mixture took place pre-Christian era. And if that is the case(?), the question is how long before, and where did these populations meet(?). We are certainly seeing a high degree of "Globalization" so to speak, spanning from West Europe, All the way to West Asia, and Northern Africa.

I wonder how far early this Ashkenazi / Sheparic influence goes? Certainly pre-Christ, or rather pre-Christianity (3-4th Century). But also considering the similarities with Iberia and even the NW Galicia populations, I suspect it could be much earlier.

This post is with good intentions, so I hope I don't rustle any feathers as usual.
For all I know this is just a coincidence, and I do not know what I am talking about.

West_Asian admixture in Europe is ancient.

K13 Eurogenes of Scythian woman from Cherkasy in Ukraine from period betweem 800 and 400 BC.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.02
2 Baltic 32.85
3 West_Med 14.85
4 West_Asian 11.68
5 East_Med 3.9
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 Notheast_African 1.32
8 Oceanian 0.43
9 South_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.9
2 Hungarian 7.25
3 Austrian 7.48
4 Croatian 8.42
5 Moldavian 8.89
6 South_Polish 10.57
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.95
8 Ukrainian 12.8
9 Serbian 12.92
10 Polish 13.37
11 West_German 14.09
12 North_German 14.53
13 North_Swedish 15.11
14 South_Dutch 15.17
15 Swedish 15.78
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.01
17 Southwest_Russian 16.27
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.28
19 Romanian 16.41
20 Russian_Smolensk 16.52

 

[Archetype0ne]

Very Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Would East_German represent Prussian?; Or Saxon peoples?

Or is Prussian calculated as Baltic?

 

[Bachus]

Very Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Would East_German represent Prussian?; Or Saxon peoples?

Or is Prussian calculated as Baltic?

Those are modern East Germans. They are Slavic-Germanic mix.
Baltic admixture has a peak among Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and northern Russians I think.
Poles are less Baltic than these which I mentioned, but they still has pretty high Baltic score about 45% on average.

Serbs score about 30% Baltic on average. Serb whith highest Baltic score from what I have seen has 33.79%, his haplogroup is I2-PH908 and he is from here [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udbina[/video]

 

[Bachus]

K13 Eurogenes of Serb with the highest Baltic score from what I know. He is fully Serb from Lika region (Croatia) and his haplogroup is I2-PH908, as I mentioned in previous post.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population percent
1 Baltic 33.79
2 North_Atlantic 22.35
3 West_Med 18.56
4 East_Med 12.69
5 West_Asian 8.12
6 Siberian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.12
8 Oceanian 0.93
9 South_Asian 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population Source (distance)
1 Moldavian 4.63
2 Croatian 6.84
3 Serbian 8.18
4 Romanian 10.2
5 Hungarian 10.72
6 Bulgarian 11.73
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.17
8 Ukrainian 13.2
9 South_Polish 13.63
10 Austrian 14.51
11 East_German 14.85
12 Southwest_Russian 16.47
13 Polish 16.71
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.91
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.63
16 Estonian_Polish 18.69
17 Belorrusian 19.61
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.71
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.05
20 Tatar 20.7

 

[Archetype0ne]

The Baltic component of the admixture could have taken this path?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

At some point in history.

"The Amber Road was an ancient trade route for the transfer of amber from coastal areas of the North Sea and the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.^[1] Prehistoric trade routes between Northern and Southern Europe were defined by the amber trade. As an important commodity, sometimes dubbed "the gold of the north", amber was transported from the North Sea and Baltic Sea coasts overland by way of the Vistula and Dnieper rivers to Italy, Greece, the Black Sea, Syria and Egypt over a period of thousands of years."

"From at least the 16th century BC, amber was moved from Northern Europe to the Mediterranean area.^[2][3] The breast ornament of the Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamen (ca. 1333–1324 BC) contains large Baltic amber beads.^[4][5][6] Heinrich Schliemann found Baltic amber beads at Mycenae, as shown by spectroscopic investigation.^[7] "

 

[MariaHoavy]

Thanks for your comments. I ordered Blond Venus yesterday. I have never seen Dishonoured and Devil is a woman. How good are the films?

 

[matadworf]

East Med is not levantine it's a proxy for East Aegean and/or Cypriot

 

[Parapolitikos]

East Med is not levantine it's a proxy for East Aegean and/or Cypriot

By my estimates, if you place it in Y-dna terms, East Med of K13, it's the equivalent of Majority J(probably mainly J2) with minority old R1b (or even maybe R1a too- in the place or supplementary to R1b- look Iranian E.Med) and some E lineages.

 

[nowsevar]

Did you delete the data? I have mine here, dunno if it would be necroposting to post them here. I saw that on TA people often opened personal threads to share their own results. Apropos, why are the registrations closed there?