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The Russians have been the worst bullies of EU member states (mostly Eastern ones) in the last few years, by blackmailing them about gas prices and such..
I wish too that governments of Eastern European countries became smarter as soon as possible. They definitely have some problems with it:I wish that the Russian government would have a more positive attitude towards other European countries, but there is a lot of hurt feelings to mend.
Well, I don't want to argue with you about politics in Balkan, because I see your opinions are already very well formed, exactly the way the CNN and the rest of "independent" media wanted to be.
You said:
"Well, you can't blame the USA for all of the bombs on your country. That was a mission run by NATO commanders and the UN. If you want to blame anyone, blame yourself and your fellow countrymen for electing Slobodan Milosevic as your leader."
And I can ask you, are the children of Serbia to blame for that?
I will remind you that NATO led by Americans bombed some purely civilian targets:
Hospital Dragiša Mišović in the centre of Belgrade. Results: dead patients and medical personels.
Television of Serbia, also in the centre of Belgrade. Result: 16th dead journalists
Passenger train in Grdelica. Result: dead passengers, many childrens among them.
Bridge in town Varvarin. Result: killed all civilians who appeared to be on the bridge.
And I already mention Milica Rakić, three year old girl, who was killed in bathroom of her own house. Was she also to blame for Milošević politics? Does she also deserve to be killed for the peace of rest the world?
And that is not end of the list...
I could never justified crimes of my nation toward any other nation and I never will. But obviously you are ready to justify what Americans did in Balkan, and want to cover that with that "humanitarian" excuses.
Or maybe you are lead by Machiavelli's : The end justifies the means.
My friend, you are riding your imperialistic horse so high that you can't even see suffering of ordinary Russians. Even compared to Poland, most Russians live under poverty line. Get you house in order and take care of you citizens first. They are poor, they are exhausted and dying from alcoholism. For god sake, your government is still killing journalists, like the old ways.
99% of my compatriots hate that man. He is a dreamer which can only talk and nothing more. Only retarded Soviet political system could give him a power. We don't blame him for the withdrawal of troops from Eastern Europe, it was necessarily, but 99% of my comrades sincerely hate him for his policy inside of USSR.Find another Gorbatchov for this matter; he was a good Russian and citizen of the world.
Germany wants alliance with Russia? You have twice the people but twice smaller GDP. In case of this relationship going soure will you run for USA help again? I don't think Russia was strong enough to beat Germany in WW2 by itself. Tushonka anyone? Maybe a Jeep, truck or oil?, or grain from Canada? Should I mention technology transfers?
Can you find me Russian statistical/scientific documents about this help? Or Stalin burned them all from all the shame, and you didn't even learn about this in soviet schools?.
Ask yourself a question. Why all the eastern and central European countries hated SU and now hate Russia?
Why you think that "all" eastern and central European countries hated SU??? That's not so, Yugoslavia did not hate, modern Moldova don't hate, Eastern and Southern Ukraine don't hate, Belorussia don't hate too, I bet modern Germany is glad that we gave them East Germany without big problems. Really hate Soviet Union foaming at the mouth only Poland, Baltic States and Western pro-nazi Ukraine (Galicia), + maybe Romania or some Finnish warm patriots.Is it from all the love you brought to their countries? Or maybe you brought them an economic prosperity like US in Germany and Japan? Or maybe you brough them democracy and all the freedoms? Or maybe you saved them from dying in mass graves and gulags in Siberia?
No? So why are you surprised?
hahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha are you a Canadian-Pole???
Why do you use term "executed" if the concensus (from site which you linked) is that they died of desises. Did you get the numbers from old Soviet books? ...ah, then we have to trust them....executed from 60 to 80 thousands of Soviet prisoners of war in 1920 year
During the Polish-Soviet War, between 80,000-85,000[3] Soviet soldiers became prisoners of war, and were held in Polish POW camps. The conditions in these camps were bad. Thus, the existing camps, many of which were adapted from World War I German and Russian facilities or constructed by the prisoners themselves, were not adequate for holding the large number of prisoners, who suffered from hunger, bad sanitation and inadequate hygiene. Between 16,000-17,000 (Polish figures)[3] and 18,000-20,000 (Russian figures)[3] died, mostly as a result of catastrophic conditions and epidemics which raged in the camps. Before publications of new findings in Russia in 2004, some Russian sources were known to give a much inflated numbers for prisoners and the death toll (up to 165,000 and 70,000), respectively. This matter caused much controversy between Poland and Russia
You reminded me a Pole, they have pretty funny mentality from my point of view.Explain what's so funny about this?
I have Russian, Byelorussian, Moldavian, Ukrainian, Danish, English, Australian, etc friends here in Canada. Is this funny too, for some reason only known to you?.
Wikipedia not very reliable source of information when it touch to the exact details. There even different language versions of articles have different information inside. I gave that link just to show that such fact was in history. Poland in 99% of cases just play a role of victim, I wanted to destroy such myth. Many sources talk about 60-80 thousands of people. Yes, they are Russian, but Poles use own sources constantly when they talk about Stalin crime in Katyn (20-25 thousands of Poles). Why we can't?Why do you use term "executed" if the concensus (from site which you linked) is that they died of desises. Did you get the numbers from old Soviet books? ...ah, then we have to trust them....
For the whole 70 years of Soviet history in GULAG (General Directorate of labor camps, labor settlements and places of detention) died around 2.3 million of people (almost all in Stalinist period), 15 million prisoners in total. It terrible thing in our history, yes, but that our people went through it, not foreigners. I also not trying to justify commies, yes we had web of camps where people worked right up to the death. That not the death camps in nazi style, but absolutely nothing to be proud of too. But I don't understand your point, how the hell it can justify Polish marshall Pilsudski?Also, look for millions berried around gulags, who died according to official policy of working to death. Minorities and Russians as well, but Russia is known as not caring for their own citizens either, so many, so extendable.
I don't hide nothing. Commies did many terrible things on the border line with total insanity: bloody civil war (for us it was like second WWI if look on the casualties), collectivization (creation of inefficient collective farms), Gulag, the Stalinist repressions, aggression and the absorption of other countries, a dead-end economic policies of commies, lack of freedom in the communist system, etc.We all have a baggage of uneasy history, and we all have to deal with this. Sweeping Russian or Soviet crimes under the rug won’t work either. Your ridiculing other's point of view or a person you argue with is totally rude and close minded. You should listen to other sides of stories, this should help you undo many years of Soviet propaganda and russo- centrism. You're not that special, so try making friends not enemies.
You reminded me a Pole, they have pretty funny mentality from my point of view.
Wikipedia not very reliable source of information when it touch to the exact details. There even different language versions of articles have different information inside. I gave that link just to show that such fact was in history. Poland in 99% of cases just play a role of victim, I wanted to destroy such myth. Many sources talk about 60-80 thousands of people. Yes, they are Russian, but Poles use own sources constantly when they talk about Stalin crime in Katyn (20-25 thousands of Poles). Why we can't?
These people were executed because they died in Polish camps from hunger and bullying, disease simply a consequence of hunger. Poles wanted to have these people killed 100%. Polish leader (he was a dictator) at that time Marshal Pilsudski was a pure russophobe. By the way, to die slowly because of hunger is much worse than dying from a fast bullet in the neck, believe me.
For the whole 70 years of Soviet history in GULAG (General Directorate of labor camps, labor settlements and places of detention) died around 2.3 million of people (almost all in Stalinist period), 15 million prisoners in total. It terrible thing in our history, yes, but that our people went through it, not foreigners. I also not trying to justify commies, yes we had web of camps where people worked right up to the death. That not the death camps in nazi style, but absolutely nothing to be proud of too. But I don't understand your point, how the hell it can justify Polish marshall Pilsudski?
I don't hide nothing. Commies did many terrible things on the border line with total insanity: bloody civil war (for us it was like second WWI if look on the casualties), collectivization (creation of inefficient collective farms), Gulag, the Stalinist repressions, aggression and the absorption of other countries, a dead-end economic policies of commies, lack of freedom in the communist system, etc.
But foreigners sometimes have a bad habit of blaming the USSR in all own mistakes and sins. I talked already about Poland, let's look on some other "innocent lambs" which scream sometimes about "bad commie occupiers":
Romania - Hitler's ally in WWII
Hungary - Hitler's ally in WWII
Austria - in some sense Hitler's ally, fought for Third Reich. Hitler's troops were greeted with flowers and shouts of joy.
Czechoslovakia - never resisted to nazi occupation, moreover played a role of military factory of the Third Reich, build 1/3 of tanks for nazis of perfect quality for the whole war, self-propelled artillery, armored troop-carriers etc...
Sweden - supplied Hitler by iron ore.
Pro-Hitler policy of Britain and France before the WWII + ignominious Treaty of Versailles in 1918 which provoked Germany again on aggression. In accordance with this agreement, Germany was obliged to pay payments to Britain and France right up to the 1990 year. This is ridiculous, what their heads thought about?
Yeah, I am probably should take Canadian or American books to really realize the whole "depth of democracy": that it's Americans did the whole work in WWII, that brave Canadians took Berlin, that Germans & Russians it's all about genocides of other nations and .... such total "democratization".Anton, please lay of Soviet history books. We all know how honest and true they were
Ohh Really??? Damn, I thought on the contrary that I recognized crimes of the past. Or maybe you just need some eyeglasses for reading?All you doing now is demonizing other countries just to excuse Russian crimes. It doesn't work this way. Even worse, you ridicule people or nations, who demand justice and apology for horrendous Soviet years, murders, genocides and lost decades.
Yeah, I am probably should take Canadian or American books to really realize the whole "depth of democracy": that it's Americans did the whole work in WWII, that brave Canadians took Berlin, that Germans & Russians it's all about genocides of other nations and .... such total "democratization".
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If you care for United Europe you are welcome to join. You know the rules.
I never talked that I don't like or disrespect small countries. I just said that with several European countries Russia has/had constant problems which based on populist politicians which use old grievances in own sake, instead as to cooperate and solve them completely. Fortunately, the situation is changing. Poland already not so emotional after last presidential elections and shows more pragmatism.Anton, my point always was about fair treatment of even the smallest countries, fair and respectful treatment of us on Eupedia. You came with strong intensions of building alliance with strong ones, like Germany and France, disregarding all other European countries.
Agree, but we can't love and respect those who hate us. Only on the basis of reciprocity.It's very tempting and hard to resist for Russians, but absolutely unnecessary in today’s world. Russia and others are better off when they work together within today's similar economic system and political one.
Yes, Anton, sell your soul and enter...
That exactly what I am talking about. I already met several Americans which with all seriousness and frankly thought that USA ALONE won in WWII. I am was shocked a little bit. Probably they just too many times watched "save private Ryan" lolThere of course is a tremendous amount of room to debate what caused the decision to halt the movement from the West at the Elbe. I will not waste anyone's time bringing up facts, proofs, or possible evidence, but it is clear that taking Berlin was not something that only the Soviets could have done.
Relax man, your government "already sold it's soul" to EU
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Sta-da-se-radi/Parada-evrozahteva.sr.html
even more
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Politika/Srbija-izmedju-neutralnosti-i-atlantskih-integracija.lt.html
http://www.danas.rs/danasrs/dijalog/srbija_i_nato.46.html?news_id=209624
If honestly, I think NATO is dead organisation, I don't understand why Serbian government of Tadić even think about membership there.
That exactly what I am talking about. I already met several Americans which with all seriousness and frankly thought that USA ALONE won in WWII. I am was shocked a little bit. Probably they just too many times watched "save private Ryan" lol
Relax man, your government "already sold it's soul" to EU
If honestly, I think NATO is dead organisation, I don't understand why Serbian government of Tadić even think about membership there.
Then it appears that you, without any fault of your own, met several idiots who failed their middle and high school history classes.
Also, you quoted the wrong part of my post to answer me.
You know, we damn commie infidels are never changing, only grave can fix us :banghead:. Don't understand second sentence, you need some help?You just love ridiculing others, if only for the sake of ridiculing. You can't help, can you?
Funny to hear it from descendants of the colonists which not so long ago hunted on redskin indians like on the wild animals, took their lands by force and placed them all in isolated reservation camps for slow extinction :innocent:.Maybe some self criticism now. It shouldn't be difficult knowing how messed up Russia was for a very ling time.
Yeah, Mr.Putin is behind my back right now, tells what to write. OMG, KGB is disbanded a long time ago and me is only 20 years oldWas you job a "provocateur" in KGB department?
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