Politics Balkanian disagreements.

Maleth said:
Please stop this nonsense, it can be extremely annoying. You are hijacking a thread about the origins of E-V13.
Meaning & History
From the Germanic name Adalbert, which was composed of the elementsadal "noble" and beraht "bright". This name was common among medieval German royalty. The Normans introduced it to England, where it replaced the Old EnglishcognateÆðelberht. Though it became rare in England by the 17th century, it was repopularized in the 19th century by the German-born Prince Albert, the husband of Queen Victoria.
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Exactly AdAlbErt , as i told u Ad means At - father , Alb means Arb the name of our people and Ert means Er ner - honor , but what does noble mean , it comes from Nabla(albaN)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabla_symbol
Nabla Noble <> Alban Elbon and this is how ppl make fun of us .
https://youtu.be/9t3Eu5c3MjA
If you can't or won't understand what i'm saying thats your problem not mine , but i just proved that Europe is Arbanian a.k.a Albanian and they are majority E-v13 , how can you say i'm out of context , my father spoke to me in his tongue and his father did the same and so on and so on for thousands of years , now when i find my tongue all over the world where white ppl set foot and i find our name written all over those places tell me what em i supposed to think/do/say , you are not realizing that majority of things i said are in wikipedia and online everywhere , so they are not my words , if you have AR-GU-MEN-Ts to prove me wrong feel free to correct me , your welcome , but acting like this won't help your cause , it only means i'm right .
And remember THIS IS NOT A GAME , smarten up .

Even the German word Adler comes from Ar Arn , therefore i say the Ger word Adel is AtAr meaning Ar the father.
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/re...data/ie/germet&text_number=+++763&root=config
 
And our name is Shqip t'Ar Scepter the sons of Shqip the son of Ar golden eagles ARNaut made in/from Ar = Arb/a/n - Alban - nabla/noble .
 
Maleth said:
I sense some weird obsession it can be genuine, maybe its not. But its unfair that a thread is hijacked in this manner with no contribution or connection to the subject whatsoever.
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Maleth, if you visit Albanian forums you will find a bunch similar things. It is not easy to understand Balkans for someone who is not in the Balkans. Of course you're right, it is not for this threads.
 
Garrick said:
Maleth, if you visit Albanian forums you will find a bunch similar things. It is not easy to understand Balkans for someone who is not in the Balkans. Of course you're right, it is not for this threads.
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Sad fanaticism and obsessions....not sure what purpose it serves. If I was a physiologist I might have some kind of answer to the root cause, but I don't. Science is not perfect but far more factual then theories and hypothesis driven by wish full thinking....oh well :)
 
Sile said:
how much of Albanian language or should I say Tosk , has words of german origin?
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As far as I know, there are some, though a little amount. It came due to the Germanic barbarian migration during the last period of Roman empire. It could be either an influence during the Norman presence of 11-12 century. The influence probably it's more notable at tosk than it's at ghegs
 
Arban Hoti said:
Besser lass uns mal nachsehen ob es Arbanische influenc im Deutschen gibt , the name Deut which the Germans call themselves comes from Teuton , we know from Deut that the name was Deuton not with a T but with a D , and in Arbanian tongue D(h)eut ton means from our earth/land , where the Teutons lived the name of the region was called Baltic and their cultural name was Prussian , the Baltic region in up north and its not a Mediterranean region meaning there is not much sun but there is water and of course earth/clay , so a region up north without much sun and with much water combine these elements and you have MUD , in Arbanian Tosk the word for mud is Balt , Ba means made L in this case means Liquid Lagt Lloq , T means Tok/earTh a flaT ground , Ba-L-T means 'a muddy land' , Riga we say to the 'drop of rain' , about the Prussi some time ago i read online about an Illyrian tribe or group of ppl that were specialist in metallurgy and the Romans used them to work the metal for their needs , sadly i can't find that text anymore about those Illyrian Prussi but interesting enough the name/word Pruss in Arbanian means Ember ' a small piece of burning or glowing coal or wood in a dying fire' , this is how they worked metal in times of old , so Pruss means those who work with ember and/or blacksmiths , and we all know how much of specialists in metallurgy the Germans as a whole are .[FONT=arial, sans-serif-light, sans-serif]
[/FONT] We talked about the Ger word for father ,vAter how it is from Arb At but are there any other 'important' words , another one is the word for brother and it comes from Arbanian Br which means 'made' and At father ,Br-At means made from my father = Brother, this word is in many languages like German BR-UDer Sllavic BR-AT Danish BR-ODer Dutch BR-o-EDer Irish bráthair etc and i'm jealous because we lost this word , in today Arb the word for Brother is Vlla , it is a corruption of Brat , by the Greek method the B is changed to V = Brat-Vrat , but Vra means to kill in Arb and thats where the English word Wrath comes from ,it means 'killing spree' , so Vra could not fit and this is where the Latin(greek) method comes in to turn R into L like Arb/Alb , and we have from Brat - Vrat - Vlla the T drops .
Another word in Germanic is Ehre from Old High German ēra which means honor , in Arb the word for honor is a philosophy , the Arb word for Wind is ER , the word for honor is NER , N means 'in' , so meaning when you have honor you FLY , your name flies , so the Germans lost the N but kept the ER = wind , and when you listen to the Eng word Honor it spells/sounds O Ner , also the word manners is from Arb 'man-ner' which means 'it holds honor' in German Manieren 'Ma Nier' in French manières Arb Maner .
So this is why you find E-v13's in Germany , since the Juliai were Arbans of Rome and Cesar gave the name to Germany i say it comes from Arb Ger/Gjer Man which means 'holds wide' not long but wide , they hold a wide land north of us .
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The word daughter in Illyrian- bilia. In Albanian- bija. `B became V during the middle age and L became into R. The nova epirus and the areas around it, became the region called Albania during the middle age. So "vllah or vellah" comes from blah. Albanians and Germans are quiet different IE people.
 
Arban Hoti said:
Exactly AdAlbErt , as i told u Ad means At - father , Alb means Arb the name of our people and Ert means Er ner - honor , but what does noble mean , it comes from Nabla(albaN)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabla_symbol
Nabla Noble <> Alban Elbon and this is how ppl make fun of us .
https://youtu.be/9t3Eu5c3MjA
If you can't or won't understand what i'm saying thats your problem not mine , but i just proved that Europe is Arbanian a.k.a Albanian and they are majority E-v13 , how can you say i'm out of context , my father spoke to me in his tongue and his father did the same and so on and so on for thousands of years , now when i find my tongue all over the world where white ppl set foot and i find our name written all over those places tell me what em i supposed to think/do/say , you are not realizing that majority of things i said are in wikipedia and online everywhere , so they are not my words , if you have AR-GU-MEN-Ts to prove me wrong feel free to correct me , your welcome , but acting like this won't help your cause , it only means i'm right .
And remember THIS IS NOT A GAME , smarten up .

Even the German word Adler comes from Ar Arn , therefore i say the Ger word Adel is AtAr meaning Ar the father.
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/re...data/ie/germet&text_number=+++763&root=config
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Instead they Europe can't be Albanian. Albanians are IE people and this is linguistically proven. The indo- europeans are the migrants of early bronze age. So it's nonsense saying that the whole Europe is Albanian.

2- the Albanian language has a larger substrate pre indo European, rather than the Slavs, germanics and the Greeks. Maybe this confuses you.
 
Arban Hoti said:
And our name is Shqip t'Ar Scepter the sons of Shqip the son of Ar golden eagles ARNaut made in/from Ar = Arb/a/n - Alban - nabla/noble .
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Alb it's an old pre IE word. It comes from the word alps, highlands. That's why the Romans called the nova epirus and the areas around, Albania. Also the Scotland was called Albany long time ago. In Greek it came to be "arvanitia" . Because they change the "l" into "r" and "b" into "v" . The Albanians of Greece are called arvanitis.
 
Petros Houhoulis said:
An Albanian suggesting that Greece has problems with democracy. How cute!
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Why? Today the ruling elite of your country are this clans of arnautis as you use to call in derogatory way the descendants of Albanians who emigrated and colonised your country from the middle age. Officially you call them Arvanites, but in your daily life you call them arnautis.
So, who better than Albanians can understand the problems of Greece?
 
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LABERIA said:
Why? Today the ruling elite of your country are this clans of arnautis as you use to call in derogatory way the descendants of Albanians who emigrated and colonised your country from middle age. Officially you call them Arvanites, but in your daily life you call them arnautis.
So, who better than Albanians can understand the problems of Greece?
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hahaha is your agenda to promote Greeks as stupids?
are you accussing the Albanians as you call Arbanites as the main source of Greece problem?
do you want to see another Greek civil war? is it in your agenda?

what connection might a group that moved from 1200 AD by crusaders, with your land?
except linguistic?

When you recognise and leave Remeni and rest to have their cultural clubs then Democracy might work at your country,
At Greece there are more than 1000 Aromani organisations
at Fyrom they even have TV show,
at Albania only 1
come on
Lessons about Democracy elsewhere.
 
Yetos said:
hahaha is your agenda to promote Greeks as stupids?
are you accussing the Albanians as you call Arbanites as the main source of Greece problem?
do you want to see another Greek civil war? is it in your agenda?

what connection might a group that moved from 1200 AD by crusaders, with your land?
except linguistic?

When you recognise and leave Remeni and rest to have their cultural clubs then Democracy might work at your country,
At Greece there are more than 1000 Aromani organisations
at Fyrom they even have TV show,
at Albania only 1
come on
Lessons about Democracy elsewhere.
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First of all, when you intend to answer to my questions in this post:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/31651-E1b1b1-and-J2-in-Balkans-and-Italy?p=484352#post484352
Or as always you just spread disinformation in this forum regarding Albanians?

1) I don't intend to promote greeks as stupid. You are a rich, powerful and advanced country. I am expressing my simpathy for a part of greeks of bulgar or fyrom ancestry who live in North Greece. Both, you and this old man are part of this comunity.
2) No, i don't accuse this arnautis or the rest of the greeks as the main source for the problems of Greece. We know, the main responsabile for the current situation of Greece is Merkel, Germany, UE, Trojka, FMN, USA, the Jews loby, FIFA, UEFA and probably the wrong position of the planets, but not the greeks.
3) I want an civile war in Greece? You leave me without words. First time i heard an similar accuse.
4) About the migration of Albanians in Greece you can read your best scholars and the report of Greek Helsinki that i have quoted in this forum.
5) About the vlach minority in Greece, again i invite you to read the report of Greek Helsinki.
6) About the vlachs in Albania, at my knowledge only in Albania and FYROM they can learn in schools their language and also they have their churches. The only problem of the vlach minority in Albania is because due to the influence of Greece, part of this minority pretend to be Greek. Greece as always used the money of the European taxpayers to realize this division in the said minority.
I am proud to say that regarding the minorities my country is an example for all Balkan countries, including your country, member of EU. So, we can give lessons to other countries regarding treatment of minorities. I invite you to read the Constitution of Kosova regarding minorities.

P. S. 1
I am sorry with the other members of this forum for this long of topic. But you know the greeks......
P. S. 2
Everytime that this member Houhoulis or Kungullis, you can call him as you want, start to post in a forum, always will be this kind of flame wars, not only with Albanians but also with other ethnicities. He is a problematic person.
 
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from an Albanian I was not expecting something interesting,
as always dictatoric speech instead of a didactoric,

what happened, did someone stay to live in your perfect Albanian democracy?
or they all just leave to live free in non democratic Greece ?


I do not think Houhoulis has a problem,
the problem is at your agenda,
 
LABERIA said:
Why? Today the ruling elite of your country are this clans of arnautis as you use to call in derogatory way the descendants of Albanians who emigrated and colonised your country from the middle age.
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First of all, you don't know who the ruling class of Greece is, and secondly, how could it be possibly for the Greeks to use a derogatory terminology towards those supposedly ruling over them? Apart from the fact that it is not derogatory terminology but merely the very name they called themselves since they arrived in Greece.
Officially you call them Arvanites, but in your daily life you call them arnautis.
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Arnaut is the (original) Albanian rendering of Arvanite, and few use that term in Greece, mostly the Arvanites themselves.
So, who better than Albanians can understand the problems of Greece?
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Why don't you solve your own problems in Albania to begin with, before you tread on the problems of Greece?


As for the Arvanites of Greece, we have had Arvanite Prime ministers and Presidents in the past, and nothing prevents us from having them in the future, but whom we elect to our political offices is our own business, not the Albanians' business...
 
LABERIA said:
P. S. 2
Everytime that this member Houhoulis, you can call him as you want, start to post in a forum, always will be this kind of flame wars, not only with Albanians but also with other ethnicities. He is a problematic person.
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Last time I checked that "Piro Ilir" fella was offensive towards Greece and Greeks long before I came back to this forum, and I started the "flame wars" by replying to his posts.

Furthermore, you would have a huge problem with me from now on. I use links to reputable news sources all of the time, and in the end you always have problems with the facts, not my statements...
 
LABERIA said:
P. S. 1
I am sorry with the other members of this forum for this long of topic. But you know the greeks......
P. S. 2
Everytime that this member Houhoulis or Kungullis, you can call him as you want, start to post in a forum, always will be this kind of flame wars, not only with Albanians but also with other ethnicities. He is a problematic person.
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First of all: Greeks are nation, and you need to learn that word Greeks is capitalized (you use small letter).

What we know about Greeks? They gave many scientists, thinkers, scholars from antiquity to today. We all know

Hippocrates of Cos,

Aristotle of Stagira,

Thales of Miletus,

Euclid of Alexandria,

Democritus of Abdera,

Strabo of Amasia,

Archimedes of Syracuse,

Eratosthenes of Cyrene,

Ptolomy of Alexandria,

Galen of Pergamon

in ancient time;

Isidore of Miletus,

Cyril and Methodius (born in Thessalonica),

Leo the Mathematician,

Anna Comnena (born in Constantinople),

Stephen of Alexandria,

Akropolites (born in Constatinople),

in Byzantine time;

Allatius (born on Chios),

Argyropolulos (born in Constantinople),

Chanconcodyles (born in Athens),

Musalus (born in Crete),

Maurolico (born in Messina)

in Renaissance time.

...
Which Albanian scientist was known before 20. century?

Albanian communist chief Enver Hoxha pushed for science but in wrong way. He put the science at service his politics. We can discuss about it but not in this thread, I only wanted to show you that people know Greeks (in science, and do you want in something else).
 
LABERIA said:
First of all, when you intend to answer to my questions in this post:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/31651-E1b1b1-and-J2-in-Balkans-and-Italy?p=484352#post484352
Or as always you just spread disinformation in this forum regarding Albanians?

1) I don't intend to promote greeks as stupid. You are a rich, powerful and advanced country. I am expressing my simpathy for a part of greeks of bulgar or fyrom ancestry who live in North Greece. Both, you and this old man are part of this comunity.
2) No, i don't accuse this arnautis or the rest of the greeks as the main source for the problems of Greece. We know, the main responsabile for the current situation of Greece is Merkel, Germany, UE, Trojka, FMN, USA, the Jews loby, FIFA, UEFA and probably the wrong position of the planets, but not the greeks.
3) I want an civile war in Greece? You leave me without words. First time i heard an similar accuse.
4) About the migration of Albanians in Greece you can read your best scholars and the report of Greek Helsinki that i have quoted in this forum.
5) About the vlach minority in Greece, again i invite you to read the report of Greek Helsinki.
6) About the vlachs in Albania, at my knowledge only in Albania and FYROM they can learn in schools their language and also they have their churches. The only problem of the vlach minority in Albania is because due to the influence of Greece, part of this minority pretend to be Greek. Greece as always used the money of the European taxpayers to realize this division in the said minority.
I am proud to say that regarding the minorities my country is an example for all Balkan countries, including your country, member of EU. So, we can give lessons to other countries regarding treatment of minorities. I invite you to read the Constitution of Kosova regarding minorities.

P. S. 1
I am sorry with the other members of this forum for this long of topic. But you know the greeks......
P. S. 2
Everytime that this member Houhoulis or Kungullis, you can call him as you want, start to post in a forum, always will be this kind of flame wars, not only with Albanians but also with other ethnicities. He is a problematic person.
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just tell me how many Vlach cultural clubs you have in Albania?
 
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